What grinds my gears...

[Tielemans63]

6 hours ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

You should cancel your subscription to the sun / mail / express 

They're the ones who love the royals, mate. Don't think you could have misjudged me any more than you already have here if you think I'd even pick up any of these. Unless this is a joke?

[grobyfox1990]

21 hours ago, Tielemans63 said:

I don't want to disable notifications as I want to be kept informed of the news, and you can't specifically filter out royal-related news. Prince William being a father on father's day isn't news IMHO. Simple, really

So get a better news app??? I have ft notifications, they don’t tell you that prince William is a father on Father’s Day lol. 

[Grebfromgrebland]

2 hours ago, Tielemans63 said:

They're the ones who love the royals, mate. Don't think you could have misjudged me any more than you already have here if you think I'd even pick up any of these. Unless this is a joke?

Sorry it was a poor joke. 

[The Bear]

Whenever I see my mum and she asks me to sort something with her phone, she's got about about a billion notifications from news websites that she keeps pressing YES on. Drives me mad. Oh and that and 100+ tabs all open in her browser 

[Grebfromgrebland]

3 minutes ago, The Bear said:

Whenever I see my mum and she asks me to sort something with her phone, she's got about about a billion notifications from news websites that she keeps pressing YES on. Drives me mad. Oh and that and 100+ tabs all open in her browser 

I swear phones need an old person mode where all web notifications are blocked and only 5 tabs can be opened on any browser. 

 

Large font and high contrast mode automatically enabled.

 

Password manager compulsory.

[leicsmac]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw44mdee0zzo

 

Incompetence in working towards an objective that needs to be achieved is annoying.

 

JSO are incompetent.

[Silebyfox_89]

House flies.

 

Open a window an inch and about 6 come through.

[leicsmac]

14 hours ago, leicsmac said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw44mdee0zzo

 

Incompetence in working towards an objective that needs to be achieved is annoying.

 

JSO are incompetent.

But with respect to discussion elsewhere...

 

When the book is written of how civilisation fvcked up, both JSO and those who were too proud or complacent to look past them and see the issue they highlight will take an equal share of the blame.

[ozleicester]

 outrageous all these people offended by cornflower...."ooh its got lichen on it" etc

You know in a few years the whole planet is going to burn there isnt going to be any lichen left... why did they choose Stonehenge?... coz the rabid reformers get upset about it and maybe someone thinks for a moment.

[Otis]

1 minute ago, ozleicester said:

 outrageous all these people offended by cornflower...."ooh its got lichen on it" etc

You know in a few years the whole planet is going to burn there isnt going to be any lichen left... why did they choose Stonehenge?... coz the rabid reformers get upset about it and maybe someone thinks for a moment.

You're not serious are  you?

[Jimothy]

48 minutes ago, ozleicester said:

 outrageous all these people offended by cornflower...."ooh its got lichen on it" etc

You know in a few years the whole planet is going to burn there isnt going to be any lichen left... why did they choose Stonehenge?... coz the rabid reformers get upset about it and maybe someone thinks for a moment.

You know it actually has the opposite affect though right? I mean the very people who need to listen to the climate change message are the very people you are moaning about being upset by cornflour. And when they see stunts like this, they don't think about the message, they complain about the stunt. It might not be permanent, but visually it's the vandalism of a beloved national monument, and that's all they see. They see it as a disgusting act of vandalism against something that has nothing to do with oil usage. It also add fuel (no pun intended) to Reform types to actually distract from the message. Farage and his ilk will be on TV talking about this stunt and not net zero, it's a distraction from the actual message it's not highlighting it.

 

Look I understand the importance of the message and I understand protest and shock can be used to make people sit up and listen, but it's a different world now to when the Suffragettes jumped in front of the King's horse. You can show people irrefutable evidence that something like Brexit will ruin this country and they still vote for it. We need action and we need it now, but we need new tactics to get through to people.

Edited 20 June 2024 by Facecloth

[leicsmac]

7 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

You know it actually has the opposite affect though right? I mean the very people who need to listen to the climate change message are the very people you are moaning about being upset by cornflour. And when they see stunts like this, they don't think about the message, they complain about the stunt. It might not be permanent, but visually it's the vandalism of a beloved national monument, and that's all they see. They see it as a disgusting act of vandalism against something that has nothing to do with oil usage. It also add fuel (no pun intended) to Reform types to actually distract from the message. Farage and his ilk will be on TV talking about this stunt and not net zero, it's a distraction from the actual message it's not highlighting it.

 

Look I understand the importance of the message and I understand protest and shock can be used to make people sit up and listen, but it's a different world now to when the Suffragettes jumped in front of the King's horse. You can show people irrefutable evidence that something like Brexit will ruin this country and they still vote for it. We need action and we need it now, but we need new tactics to get through to people.

You're right, but what should those tactics be that will get the job done in the timeframe needed? Damned if I know.

[leicsmac]

And as has been said before, people prefer a human shaped monster like Putin to unite against, rather than a threat that appears abstract to them.

 

Doesn't stop it being the bigger threat, though.

[Jimothy]

Just now, leicsmac said:

You're right, but what should those tactics be that will get the job done in the timeframe needed? Damned if I know.

As proven with things like Brexit, huge stunts and calling people thick doesn't wash it just entrenches people on their views. I genuinely don't know the answer to the best way to tackle this but I just know this isn't it.

[Daggers]

58 minutes ago, ozleicester said:

 outrageous all these people offended by cornflower...."ooh its got lichen on it" etc

You know in a few years the whole planet is going to burn there isnt going to be any lichen left... why did they choose Stonehenge?... coz the rabid reformers get upset about it and maybe someone thinks for a moment.

Except all it achieved was for someone like me, who has tried desperately to defend them in the past, going “Well aren’t they just a massive bunch of cvnts.”

 

 

[The Bear]

They should be targeting the headquarters and buildings of big businesses and superpowers like the US and China. You know those most responsible for fossil fuel usage. 

 

Maybe then they'd get some public support. 

[leicsmac]

12 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

As proven with things like Brexit, huge stunts and calling people thick doesn't wash it just entrenches people on their views. I genuinely don't know the answer to the best way to tackle this but I just know this isn't it.

Yeah.

 

Given the problems have been talked about ad infinitum here I thought talking solutions would be better, but it seems that they are thin on the ground.

[Dunge]

With regard to the question of “What should they (JSO) do instead?” - It’s a legitimate question and not an obvious one as if there was an obvious answer then people would already be doing it. However, I’d offer two thoughts:

 

1. Nothing. As in sitting at home and doing absolutely nothing would be better than attacking Stonehenge because all they’ve done is toxify their message.

 

2. It’s not like people don’t know anymore. Irrespective of their response to it, everyone knows the concept of climate change. Yet JSO’s stunts are still along the lines of bringing the topic to the public’s attention. Tactically this is completely the wrong stage. Everyone knows the idea by now. Some accept the theory and argue/demand that we should do something. Some don’t and convince themselves that humans have no control over it anyway. Neither of these groups needs any time - one’s the converted, the other’s to be ignored. The group to focus on is a third group of practical people faced with a theoretical argument, people who can’t be doing with debates but instead value strategy and leadership. So provide that. Live new technology. Demonstrate and highlight how to move forward with a green economy. Show it to be a good thing, worth working towards. Expend your energy here instead of pandering to those who can’t accept man made climate change.

[Jimothy]

Just listening to LBC and people are calling in in droves to say they don't support attacking Stonehenge, making the point that the people who love Stonehenge have been environmentalists for years, its pissing off the wrong people.

 

I mean even this guy doesn't support it.

 

 

 

[urban.spaceman]

The fact that you can’t get a full refund on train tickets is a national ****ing disgrace. 

[Mike Oxlong]

1 minute ago, urban.spaceman said:

The fact that you can’t get a full refund on LCFC season tickets is a national ****ing disgrace. 

Fixed 

[grobyfox1990]

2 hours ago, ozleicester said:

 outrageous all these people offended by cornflower...."ooh its got lichen on it" etc

You know in a few years the whole planet is going to burn there isnt going to be any lichen left... why did they choose Stonehenge?... coz the rabid reformers get upset about it and maybe someone thinks for a moment.

Except these idiots at JSO will be seen as part of the problem. When they do things like this to farm Insta likes, create branding opportunities and partnerships, get into the media and appear on podcasts to line their own pockets, it makes the work of us who are actually trying to change standards that much harder. Quite rightly, these PR stunts turn people off the core message, and tar everyone who is working in climate adaptation and resilience with the same brush.

JSO care about short-term branding opportunities and media coverage to create revenue streams, NOT the whole planet burning.

[Silebyfox_89]

JSO is a cult.

[leicsmac]

3 hours ago, Dunge said:

With regard to the question of “What should they (JSO) do instead?” - It’s a legitimate question and not an obvious one as if there was an obvious answer then people would already be doing it. However, I’d offer two thoughts:

 

1. Nothing. As in sitting at home and doing absolutely nothing would be better than attacking Stonehenge because all they’ve done is toxify their message.

 

2. It’s not like people don’t know anymore. Irrespective of their response to it, everyone knows the concept of climate change. Yet JSO’s stunts are still along the lines of bringing the topic to the public’s attention. Tactically this is completely the wrong stage. Everyone knows the idea by now. Some accept the theory and argue/demand that we should do something. Some don’t and convince themselves that humans have no control over it anyway. Neither of these groups needs any time - one’s the converted, the other’s to be ignored. The group to focus on is a third group of practical people faced with a theoretical argument, people who can’t be doing with debates but instead value strategy and leadership. So provide that. Live new technology. Demonstrate and highlight how to move forward with a green economy. Show it to be a good thing, worth working towards. Expend your energy here instead of pandering to those who can’t accept man made climate change.

I'd agree with this, but a point on the bolded:

 

As with other issues, those who can't accept can (and do) use social media (and sometimes outlets like the Express, Mail and Telegraph) to massively amplify their message and to influence that third group that you mention. They are not passively accepting that nothing needs to be done, they are actively broadcasting that catastrophic misinformation to all that might hear it.

 

Ignoring them is unwise.

Edited 20 June 2024 by leicsmac

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

Groups of people in pubs talking about politics. Give it a ****ing break, no one cares who you're voting for.