Trav Le Bleu Posted 1 July 2008 Posted 1 July 2008 With a cancer stick??? In my ignorance I failed to notice that this had become a thread about knife-crime I'm not even gonna read back and find out HOW that happened
James. Posted 1 July 2008 Posted 1 July 2008 As an educator - I am in unequivocal agreement.The problems may be driven by different factors to the ones of days gone by but the simple truth remains that more kids carry knives and more kids die because of knife-related injuries. I taught for over 12 years James and am going back in September - at the expense of sounding pompous, I think I have a very good understanding of the motivation of a child to do this kind of thing...which makes no difference. The situation has become aggravated because people get away with things - if you allow girls to wear ear rings then you start having problems with girl wearing make-up. If you allow phones in school for emergency calls you end up having to deal with kids texting each other during class. You have to seal off the potential for things to go wrong at an early (and pedantic) stage. Kids carry weapons because of the status it accords them, because they are in fear and because they need to create an impression in order to build their identity. Kids carry weapons because they can get away with it. Kids stab other kids because they can get away with it. This is a direct product of soft sentencing, a consequence of liberal attitudes to character reform. It has failed. At some point these children need to be minded that the consequences of doing something exceptionally serious is something that they will regret for a very long time - not the promise of a game of pool in a brand new youth centre. Right then where were we... You speak a lot of sense. And I agree that when it comes to sentencing it should be tough. One thing I do stand by though and I have been stressing this whole time is that we do need to invest more time and money in youth work and outreach. That doesn't mean having a game of pool down the youth centre, it means building communities, building respect and building bridges between the kids that are stabbing each other and the rest of society. Tough sentencing is not the only answer. As I said earlier it's a complicated issue that can't be solved through one perspective. It needs people that are willing to talk to kids and foster relationships and understanding. This needs to be done right from the beginning before the crimes are committed. Because afterwards you end up relying on the criminal system which alone is not sufficient.
Guest Posted 1 July 2008 Posted 1 July 2008 I'd much rather invite people round and everyone brings a few cans/bottles/kegs/distillaries. It's cheaper, there's no annoying dicks getting in the way and we get to play music we like (at a volume where conversation is still possible). I like this option, except I like to make the music myself. By music, I actually mean yawping at the top of my voice.
Daggers Posted 1 July 2008 Posted 1 July 2008 Dont joke about stuff like that **** I feel sorry that you have suffered a personal loss but I have no intention of going on tippy-toes around every subject that anyone feels emotional about. It is precisely through humour that heated issues are diffused and people can get back to normal again - if you have trouble dealing with that then turn off your computer and go for a fag.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 1 July 2008 Posted 1 July 2008 I feel sorry that you have suffered a personal loss but I have no intention of going on tippy-toes around every subject that anyone feels emotional about. It is precisely through humour that heated issues are diffused and people can get back to normal again - if you have trouble dealing with that then turn off your computer and go for a fag. And now making homophobic jokes, you make my blood boil Daggers!
Bert Posted 2 July 2008 Posted 2 July 2008 What the government haven't realised is that they have ****ed up a lot of people's livelihood. Pubs aren't half as busy was what they used to be. I also think it's bad, as they're taking people's rights away from them. Personally, It wouldn't bother me if the ban was lifted, but for the majority of non-smokers it's great. The one good thing about this is, your clothes no longer reek of smoke after a night out.
Asha Posted 2 July 2008 Posted 2 July 2008 What the government haven't realised is that they have ****ed up a lot of people's livelihood. Pubs aren't half as busy was what they used to be. I also think it's bad, as they're taking people's rights away from them. Personally, It wouldn't bother me if the ban was lifted, but for the majority of non-smokers it's great. The one good thing about this is, your clothes no longer reek of smoke after a night out. I just think it would be better for all pubs to have a smoking room, like some do. Where if people want to smoke, they can go there. Ergo, they're still in the pub...there's still the custom, and they're not affecting others.
Manwell Pablo Posted 2 July 2008 Posted 2 July 2008 It's a made contribution to start of the recession in this country if you ask me.
Webbo Posted 2 July 2008 Posted 2 July 2008 Back on subject now, the smoking ban. I (non-smoker) was against it at the time and still am, but it appears to be popular with the majority so it looks like it's going to stay. We've all just got to move on.
Guest Posted 2 July 2008 Posted 2 July 2008 I am sure that there was talk of the decline of pubs before the smoking ban came into effect. I don't think it can be blamed on the smoking ban in any case. For a start, the way the general public sources entertainment has changed. Once the pub was an important part of the community, now people are happy to stay at home and watch TV, or keep in touch via internet or mobiles rather than going out and chatting. Another factor is the price of booze. For example, I could buy a glass of wine in the pub, but for the same price I could buy a whole bottle from the supermarket and drink at home. On top of that, I don't have to pay for buses or taxis, if I wasn't going to the local. That's just for starters. As for rights being taken away, that's a load of crap. Nobody is stopping smokers from smoking. Smokers go on about choice, but why should non-smokers have no choice in whether to go out or stay in? Because that it is what it boils down to. If smokers don't go out, it's because they are throwing their toys out of the pram. If smoking was reintroduced, then I would have to seriously think about whether or not I go out from a health perspective, not because I am having a hissy fit. I'm not the only one who suffers either. And what really, really, bugs me, is that a lot of the smokers who are whinging about the smoking ban would not smoke in their own houses. Hypocrites, or what.
Daggers Posted 2 July 2008 Posted 2 July 2008 If you are a student and you smoke you NEVER want to be friend with another student who smokes. Students never buy their own cigarettes. I knew this one bloke who would always carry around a pack of ten with a couple of fags in it and top them up during the night from his other pack so he could always decline any requests by saying "Sorry, I've only got a couple left". Bloody students
Corky Posted 2 July 2008 Posted 2 July 2008 Well it's been good for me, as a non-smoker. I can sort of understand that smokers complain about it, but you have the option to smoke, others have to put up with it, like it or not. If it means more people don't die from passive smoking, then it's a good thing.
Fox You Forest Posted 2 July 2008 Posted 2 July 2008 It really doesn't bother me having to go outside to smoke especially when your in a pub thats full to the rafters its nice to have some space for a few minutes.
hairy Posted 2 July 2008 Posted 2 July 2008 It really doesn't bother me having to go outside to smoke especially when your in a pub thats full to the rafters its to have some space for a few minutes. I have met more new people due to smoking ban than I had prior to it. You always have a chat with people outside that you wouldn't have had otherwise. Unity for social lepers! Today the pub, tomorrow the world!
Trav Le Bleu Posted 2 July 2008 Posted 2 July 2008 I have met more new people due to smoking ban than I had prior to it. You always have a chat with people outside that you wouldn't have had otherwise. Unity for social lepers! Today the pub, tomorrow the world! I knew it was a F.O.R.E.S.T conspiracy! PS, I put the full stops in so people wouldn't get confused and think I was blaming that team from Nottingham
Sparky Posted 2 July 2008 Posted 2 July 2008 Speaking as a non smoker the only real benefit is not going home smelling like an ash tray , our locals landlord claims that the smoking ban has had a real effect on most pubs trade . His pub is only in buisness now due to the football , darts , pool and skittles teams bringing in trade. He has spent a fortune on the smoking area outside to do his best to keep his customers . Im not 1 for drinking at home to be honest , like the atmosphere of my local and love a good night on the town so ill be doing my bit to keep these places in buisness
SOCCERROO FOX Posted 3 July 2008 Posted 3 July 2008 Smoking ban has been in place for 6 months over here and its great to go home after going to a club and not smelling like a bush fire
Bert Posted 3 July 2008 Posted 3 July 2008 Smoking ban has been in place for 6 months over here and its great to go home after going to a club and not smelling like a bush fire People smoke bushes in Aus?
coale39 Posted 3 July 2008 Posted 3 July 2008 Smoking ban has been in place for 6 months over here and its great to go home after going to a club and not smelling like a bush fire Exactly!
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