isaidno Posted 12 June 2009 Posted 12 June 2009 All 10 current Formula 1 teams have been included on the list of entrants for the 2010 season, though five of those are on a conditional basis.Brawn GP, McLaren, Renault, Toyota and BMW Sauber have until 17 June to submit an unconditional entry for the season. And Ferrari are still adamant they will not race under the planned rules as the teams and the governing body continue to row over the future of F1. Campos Grand Prix, Manor and US F1 have been accepted as new teams next season. However, it is still unclear which teams will be joining them on the grid as the teams and the FIA are still at odds over new budgetary and technical regulations. Eight of the current F1 teams applied to be on the grid for the next campaign on the basis that plans to implement a £40m budget cap were altered or waived, unlike Williams and Force India, whose applications were unconditional. The teams, though committed to reducing costs in the sport, feel the budget constraint is too harsh and too soon and say the FIA's plan to reward those teams who operate within the £40m budget with relaxed technical restraints would create a two-tier championship. The Fota teams show no sign of backing down on this issue, and are expected to pursue more negotiations with the FIA aimed at ending the impasse after writing to the FIA senate and world council after 11th-hour negotiations on Thursday proved unsuccessful. Fota also want the published 2010 regulations to be rewritten, while accepting the principle of a slower 'glide-path' down to FIA president Max Mosley's budget cap figure over the next couple of years. In a statement issued on Friday, Fota claimed the FIA's latest proposals were "bad for the future of F1, the jobs of those employed within the motor racing industry and the millions of loyal fans who are dismayed and confused at the internal bickering within our sport". Fota vice-president John Howett earlier insisted the organisation is not holding the sport to ransom. "We're all very sad we're not focusing on the racing and what's exciting about F1," he said. "But I really believe Fota's ambition is to improve the sport for the long term. BBC commentator David Croft explains F1 teams situation "What we primarily want is a sensible basis of governance so that the regulations aren't changed willy nilly. Secondly, we feel there is a risk in involving financial forensic control in the sporting regulations in deciding a championship. "It's not about power or Fota running the sport." Mosley has now apparently split the Fota teams into two groups - the five asked to return with unconditional entries or face missing out on the new season, and then Ferrari, Toro Rosso and Red Bull whose entry has been confirmed unconditionally. The FIA argues that Ferrari, Red Bull and Toro Rosso are contractually obliged to be involved. Ferrari are standing firm with the rest of the Fota teams, though, as they say the FIA invalidated the contract, agreed in 2005, when Mosley failed to consult the teams over the proposed rule changes. "Ferrari submitted on 29 May an entry to the 2010 FIA Formula One World Championship which is subject to certain conditions. As of today, these conditions have not been met," read a statement. "For the avoidance of any doubt, Ferrari reaffirms that it shall not take part in the 2010 FIA Formula One World Championship under the regulations adopted by the FIA in violation of Ferrari's rights under a written agreement with the FIA." Thos sentiments were echoed by Red Bull, who added: "Red Bull Racing remains committed to Fota and fully endorses all its principles." Five Live's F1 commentator David Croft reported: "The highlight of this is that current leaders Brawn GP, Lewis Hamilton's team McLaren, along with Toyota, Renault and BMW, might not be around in 2010 if they can't resolve their current dispute with the FIA. "It doesn't mean that Ferrari, Red Bull and Toro Rosso have lifted the conditions they entered with - more that the FIA have seen fit that the contract they think have with those three teams overrides any disagreement they currently have and have accepted their entry without a problem." Last week, Mosley wrote to the teams advising them to submit unconditional entries so that they might be guaranteed a say in framing next season's rules He added that if they did so, he would sit down with all the confirmed entrants and listen to their proposals with regard to the shaping of the regulations for next season. If Brawn GP, McLaren, Renault, Toyota and BMW Sauber fail to submit an unconditional entry, the FIA will return to the pool of potential new entrants as they are determined to have a 26-car grid in place for next year. They will pick from the rest of the 10 new teams that lodged applications to join the grid from next season. Among the hopeful applicants were an outfit using the historic Team Lotus name, British race-car constructor lola, and Prodrive, the company owned by former Benetton and BAR F1 team boss David Richards. I can't see those 5 teams pulling out somehow. I've never heard of Manor
Brainy Posted 13 June 2009 Posted 13 June 2009 Just did a 70 lap race of Canada on my PS2. Nearly hit a few backmarkers when trying to lap them (because they're massive bastards and just slow down in front of you unexpectedly), had a close shave with the wall too. Then last lap, last corner, I binned it. My front wing fell off but managed to make it to the finish line and win. Lapped 2nd-4th place 2 times, 5th-13th 3 times, 14th & 15th 4 times, 16 & 17th 6 times and 18th 7 times. 19-22nd retired.
Asha Posted 13 June 2009 Posted 13 June 2009 Just did a 70 lap race of Canada on my PS2.Nearly hit a few backmarkers when trying to lap them (because they're massive bastards and just slow down in front of you unexpectedly), had a close shave with the wall too. Then last lap, last corner, I binned it. My front wing fell off but managed to make it to the finish line and win. Lapped 2nd-4th place 2 times, 5th-13th 3 times, 14th & 15th 4 times, 16 & 17th 6 times and 18th 7 times. 19-22nd retired. I used to do full races all the time back in the day, on F1 2000 on my PS1. Always used to be Wurz in the Benetton Playlife, and I can remember crying my eyes out when I binned the Monaco GP on the last lap at the Nouvelle Chicane. I was only 8 or 9 mind, but after sitting there for near on 2 hours and fighting with Hakkinen all race for the lead, crashing it was gutting.
hairy Posted 18 June 2009 Posted 18 June 2009 So who reckons they will have reached an agrement by tomorrow? Will Ferrari be on the grid next year?
Jimmy Posted 18 June 2009 Posted 18 June 2009 FOTA teams to launch breakaway series The Formula One Teams' Association announced on Thursday night that it is setting up a breakaway championship.Following a four hour meeting at Renault's Enstone factory, the eight members of FOTA - Ferrari, McLaren, Renault, BMW Sauber, Toyota, Brawn, Red Bull Racing and Scuderia Toro Rosso - said they had grown frustrated with the FIA's stance against the organisation, and had no option but to create a series of their own. "The teams cannot continue to compromise on the fundamental values of the sport and have declined to alter their original conditional entries to the 2010 World Championship," said a statement issued by FOTA after the meeting. "These teams therefore have no alternative other than to commence the preparation for a new Championship which reflects the values of its participants and partners. This series will have transparent governance, one set of regulations, encourage more entrants and listen to the wishes of the fans, including offering lower prices for spectators worldwide, partners and other important stakeholders. "The major drivers, stars, brands, sponsors, promoters and companies historically associated with the highest level of motorsport will all feature in this new series." F1 teams were given until Friday evening to remove the conditions attached to the provisional entries they posted earlier this month, or risk being left off the grid in 2010. FIA president Max Mosley wrote to the teams yesterday offering them some of the concessions that they wanted to see regarding governance of the sport, but made it clear that he was sticking to plans for the introduction of a budget cap. In his letter, Mosley also urged the teams to sign up to the championship before sorting out the final version of the regulations and a redrafted Concorde Agreement. In response to that letter, the teams met at Renault's Enstone headquarters on Thursday evening for lengthy talks, where they finally decided that there was no way a compromise deal could be reached with the FIA. The teams expressed frustration that their efforts to try and improve F1 had been rebuffed by the governing body and the sport's commercial rights holder. "Since the formation of FOTA last September the teams have worked together and sought to engage the FIA and commercial rights holder, to develop and improve the sport," said the statement. "Unprecedented worldwide financial turmoil has inevitably placed great challenges before the F1 community. FOTA is proud that it has achieved the most substantial measures to reduce costs in the history of our sport. "In particular the manufacturer teams have provided assistance to the independent teams, a number of which would probably not be in the sport today without the FOTA initiatives. The FOTA teams have further agreed upon a substantial voluntary cost reduction that provides a sustainable model for the future. "Following these efforts all the teams have confirmed to the FIA and the commercial rights holder that they are willing to commit until the end of 2012. "The FIA and the commercial rights holder have campaigned to divide FOTA. "The wishes of the majority of the teams are ignored. Furthermore, tens of millions of dollars have been withheld from many teams by the commercial rights holder, going back as far as 2006. Despite this and the uncompromising environment, FOTA has genuinely sought compromise." The announcement by FOTA looks certain to overshadow the British Grand Prix, which takes place at Silverstone for the final time this weekend and which Mosley is expected to attend tomorrow. With FOTA's stance now seemingly leaving no room for a deal possible, its likely that more new teams will be added to the FIA's 2010 Formula 1 entry list. The inclusion of Ferrari, Red Bull Racing and Scuderia Toro Rosso on that roster remains open to debate, however, with the FIA claiming that the teams committed themselves to F1 in a deal agreed several years ago. The FIA only have themselves to blame, they had the chance to remove Max Mosley, who has always been a divisive force, but bottled it, for a long time the teams have felt he and Bernie were interfering too much and well, now they've finally had enough
Ultra Posted 18 June 2009 Posted 18 June 2009 Anyone off to Silverstone this weekend ? Nope - tickets are all sold out. Even though the cheapest ticket for Sunday is £119 (+ £32 for car parking..)
Steven Posted 19 June 2009 Posted 19 June 2009 F1 teams drop breakaway bombshell. Oh dear the FIA under Mad Max have dropped a really big bollock here. Plus any current commercial rights Bernie might have thought he had are now worthless. Neither of them have considered F1 fans. <_<
GLC Posted 19 June 2009 Posted 19 June 2009 F1 teams drop breakaway bombshell. Oh dear the FIA under Mad Max have dropped a really big bollock here. Plus any current commercial rights Bernie might have thought he had are now worthless. Neither of them have considered F1 fans. <_< Link doesnt work Formula One has been thrown into chaos after the Formula One Teams Association (Fota) carried out its threat to set up a rival championship in 2010.Eight of F1's major teams have been frustrated by deadlocked talks with world motorsport boss Max Mosley over his controversial budget cap proposals. "The teams have declined to alter their original conditional entries to the 2010 F1 Championship," said the teams. "We've no alternative than to commence preparation for a new championship." Mosley was insistent on introducing a voluntary £40m budget cap for teams to curtail a "financial arms race" in F1. But Fota refused to agree to his conditions, prompting championship leader Brawn GP, Ferrari, McLaren, Renault, Toyota, BMW Sauber, Red Bull Racing and Toro Rosso to take their drastic action. They announced their decision following a four-hour meeting on Thursday night ahead of this weekend's British Grand Prix at Silverstone. "Since the formation of Fota last September the teams have worked together and sought to engage the FIA and commercial rights holder (Bernie Ecclestone), to develop and improve the sport," read a Fota statement. "Unprecedented worldwide financial turmoil has inevitably placed great challenges before the F1 community. "Fota is proud that it has achieved the most substantial measures to reduce costs in the history of our sport. "In particular, the manufacturer teams have provided assistance to the independent teams, a number of which would probably not be in the sport today without the Fota initiatives. "The Fota teams have further agreed upon a substantial voluntary cost reduction that provides a sustainable model for the future. "Following these efforts, all the teams have confirmed to the FIA and the commercial rights holder that they are willing to commit until the end of 2012. "The FIA and the commercial rights holder have campaigned to divide Fota. "The wishes of the majority of the teams are ignored. Furthermore, tens of millions of dollars have been withheld from many teams by the commercial rights holder, going back as far as 2006. "Despite this, and the uncompromising environment, Fota has genuinely sought compromise. "It has become clear, however, the teams cannot continue to compromise on the fundamental values of the sport and have declined to alter their original conditional entries to the 2010 world championship." Fota added that its championship would put F1 fans first and boast the best drivers and sponsors. "This series will have transparent governance, one set of regulations, encourage more entrants and listen to the wishes of the fans, including offering lower prices for spectators worldwide, partners and other important stakeholders," added the statement. "The major drivers, stars, brands, sponsors, promoters and companies historically associated with the highest level of motorsport will all feature in this new series." archerwillpay Former champions Williams and Force India have already committed unconditionally to the FIA's world championship along with three new entrants - Campos, US F1 and Manor. The FIA has said there are other would-be newcomers waiting to take the places of those teams that refused to enter unconditionally, although one, lola, has already withdrawn its application. The stage is also set for a legal battle, with the FIA saying champions Ferrari and the two Red Bull teams have existing contracts which commit them to the existing championship. The FIA had set a Friday deadline for five teams - Brawn, BMW-Sauber, McLaren, Renault and Toyota - to convert their provisional entries into unconditional ones or risk being excluded. There was no immediate comment from the FIA or Ecclestone
Jimmy Posted 19 June 2009 Posted 19 June 2009 Lets hope its not the beginning of the end of F1 F1 maybe but Grand Prix racing will survive and probably thrive
Jimmy Posted 19 June 2009 Posted 19 June 2009 FIA to sue over breakaway Formula One's governing body, the FIA, says it will begin legal proceedings over plans to set up a rival world championship next year.The F1 Teams Association (Fota) said on Thursday that eight of its major teams were planning to set up a rival championship for the 2010 season. But FIA lawyers say the actions of Fota as a whole and Ferrari, in particular, amount to breaches of law. They say they will issue legal proceedings without delay. The statement added: "The actions of Fota as a whole, and Ferrari in particular, amount to serious violations of law including wilful interference with contractual relations, direct breaches of Ferrari's legal obligations and a grave violation of competition law. "Preparations for the 2010 FIA Formula One World Championship continue but publication of the final 2010 entry list will be put on hold while the FIA asserts its legal rights." Delaying the publication of the entry list gives the parties room for manoeuvre as they search for a compromise over the issue. More follows.
hairy Posted 19 June 2009 Posted 19 June 2009 FIA to sue over breakaway Lets just hope there is still a race on Sunday
Jimmy Posted 19 June 2009 Posted 19 June 2009 I'm sure there must be something in the teams contract about rule changes having to be agreed and not just imposed the FIA should of got rid of the dictator that is Max Mosley when they had the chance, their marquee com[petition is about to be blown apart because of him
Asha Posted 19 June 2009 Posted 19 June 2009 It's their own fault, at the end of the day. Ecclestone especially, only ever considering the financial side...not giving a shit about the wishes or the best interests of the fans or teams. They've taken popular, entertaining circuits like Montreal and Imola off the calender and replaced them with circuits that produce a higher income, but which are generally less entertaining races. I hope there is a breakaway series where the teams can have more of a say in deciding the rules etc, and with officials that will take action at times of necessity without interfering too much, and won't decide the outcome of a race days after the finish. They say they're aiming to make the sport more entertaining with the rule changes, and I don't think I've ever found a season as boring as this one. I didn't even watch the last race, just decided to check the result later. Glad I didn't watch it in the end, could imagine how it went. Don't get me wrong, I'm pleased for Button and Brawn etc, I'm not just a Ferrari fan bitter at suddenly being in a mediocre car barely capable of points, although I can understand if I'm coming across that way - I just feel the soul of the sport has been sold to the highest bidder in the Far East. The potential breakaway series would be successful as well. I mean, would you watch a series that had Ferrari, McLaren, Renault et al, or the official F1 series with Williams and Force India as the only notable teams?
Jimmy Posted 19 June 2009 Posted 19 June 2009 hopefully they will drop Monaco is they form it, there's no "tradition" uphold so the most boring race of the season can go as for NSLL's question, Ferrari make the series, either you want them to win or are desperate to see them lose, either way without them a lot of interest goes
Steven Posted 19 June 2009 Posted 19 June 2009 hopefully they will drop Monaco is they form it, there's no "tradition" uphold so the most boring race of the season can go The one race a year I never watch. The cars have grown out of the circuit. <_<
Brainy Posted 19 June 2009 Posted 19 June 2009 If the drivers care so much about saving the British GP then they won't be protesting by not racing on Sunday.
Jimmy Posted 19 June 2009 Posted 19 June 2009 If the drivers care so much about saving the British GP then they won't be protesting by not racing on Sunday. how are they gong to race if the teams don't give them the car and refuse to let the mechanics start the thing
Nugent Posted 19 June 2009 Posted 19 June 2009 Went to practice today, good atmosphere and lots of people there. Red Bull were top notch and Sutil was surprisingly quick.
Ultra Posted 19 June 2009 Posted 19 June 2009 If the split within F1 continues, the chances of Donington hosting the British Grand Prix will be scuppered. The track hasn't a hope in hell of raising the finance it needs. if investors are worried about the top teams and drivers not taking part.
StanSP Posted 20 June 2009 Posted 20 June 2009 Hamilton will start from his lowest ever qualifying position tomorrow - 19th.
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