England fans

[poopbutt]

empty feeling inside

[stez]

Sums up my feelings.

if the manager allowed today's england players to play with as much passion, freedom and fun, as those did, i'd feel better this morning.

[SystonFox]

How can Rooney moan about the fans booing?yes i don't condone it but whenthey spend a huge ammount of money and watch your team outplayed and held by algeria you have to wonder.fans should be allowed to

voice their opinion.

[dandannieldanok]

During the game, the England fans were excellent and gave all the support and motivation that the players could possibly of wished for. Only a few sets of supporters have drowned out the vuvuzelas so far and England fans have been one them. Childish of Rooney to criticise the brilliant support they're getting.

[Tevez]

Deserved to be booed last night.

[jonthefox]

it amazes me how they are paid so much and pampered more than any other proffession, yet they just cant handle justified critiscism.

[purpleronnie]

it amazes me how they are paid so much and pampered more than any other proffession, yet they just cant handle justified critiscism.

Well thats the answer why.

They live in a bubble and get appreciated wherever they go.

When they get criticised or booed they cant understand it.

[BlueSi13]

Did Rooney honestly expect polite applause last night?

[SystonFox]

He has apologised now,does it change anything?he should be dropped and that's my honest opinion,he's offered nothing in the 2previous games we need to freshen it up vs Slovenia

[Benji]

No matter what happens, they represent England and as an Englishman i'll support them. If anything, people should feel more attached to international football because how many of th eplayers that played for us in the play-offs actually support or were born in leicester? If our England players are embarrassing to watch, I'm equally embarrassed, and when we win, I'm proud.

It's similar to the shite on here that gets spouted when Leicester tigers win. I look out for every Leicester team that plays regardless of how much I follow the sport. I'm proud of where I come from even if our sportsmen arent.

[Fosse Boy]

No matter what happens, they represent England and as an Englishman i'll support them. If anything, people should feel more attached to international football because how many of th eplayers that played for us in the play-offs actually support or were born in leicester? If our England players are embarrassing to watch, I'm equally embarrassed, and when we win, I'm proud.

It's similar to the shite on here that gets spouted when Leicester tigers win. I look out for every Leicester team that plays regardless of how much I follow the sport. I'm proud of where I come from even if our sportsmen arent.

Yeah but the difference is that an England squad by definition must be comprised of players born in (or at least attached to) this country. There are no such constraints on club football. Therefore it is expected that the eleven men lucky enough to be chosen under these contraints are the eleven best men for the job who will give their all every time they play and make those they are representing proud. If an English person doesn't feel that these men deserve to represent his country then why should he have to support them? I for one don't think I'm capable of that kind of blind patriotism.

[Tilley]

AFIE, I see your point. However, 'on paper' the Lampards, Gerrards and Rooneys of this world are the best men for the job, they have the experience, they have won trophies and they are technically the best players as a country we can offer. Is this worrying? Yes.

I had a chat with a mate earlier about possible squads for future major tournaments, particularly Brazil 2014 and it was quite hard putting together a 23 man squad who won't be over the hill. (Obviously this depends on who develops etc between now and then)

I do worry about the state of English football. We have, arguably, the most entertaining league in the world (please don't turn this into a La Liga vs Premier League debate ) however as an international footballing nation our future looks bleak, I am going off topic here but when you look at the pathetic performances our current squad and potential replacements and solutions and it is worrying to look at our lack of options.

I guess the most frustrating part is knowing what these players are capable of when they can be arsed.

[Benji]

Yeah but the difference is that an England squad by definition must be comprised of players born in (or at least attached to) this country. There are no such constraints on club football. Therefore it is expected that the eleven men lucky enough to be chosen under these contraints are the eleven best men for the job who will give their all every time they play and make those they are representing proud. If an English person doesn't feel that these men deserve to represent his country then why should he have to support them? I for one don't think I'm capable of that kind of blind patriotism.

Well that's pretty much my point though, at least with the England players you share something in common: your heritage. As said before by Kareem I think (sorry if someone else), if we made it to the world cup final every man, woman and their dog would be in the pub watching. That's no better than a Leicester fan that waits until the promotion winning game of league one to watch a city game. Similarly, under Holloway and Levein when hardly a single player wanted to be playing or gave a shite about our club people still stuck behind them and blindly hoped for a miracle. I know I wasn't hoping for a Leicester defeat against Stoke on the last day because the team didn't deserve to stay up, I didn't care! Regardless of how gutless the national squad is, I'll want it to win and do well.

[Matt]

AFIE, I see your point. However, 'on paper' the Lampards, Gerrards and Rooneys of this world are the best men for the job, they have the experience, they have won trophies and they are technically the best players as a country we can offer. Is this worrying? Yes.

I had a chat with a mate earlier about possible squads for future major tournaments, particularly Brazil 2014 and it was quite hard putting together a 23 man squad who won't be over the hill. (Obviously this depends on who develops etc between now and then)

I do worry about the state of English football. We have, arguably, the most entertaining league in the world (please don't turn this into a La Liga vs Premier League debate ) however as an international footballing nation our future looks bleak, I am going off topic here but when you look at the pathetic performances our current squad and potential replacements and solutions and it is worrying to look at our lack of options.

I guess the most frustrating part is knowing what these players are capable of when they can be arsed.

As I said the other day in the World Cup forum you can blame the likes of your Arsenal and the top 4 ©/Premier League for that to some extent. Obviously the foreign players imported into the Premier League are what makes the Premier League one of if not the best league in the world however importing all the foreign players/money being no object to certainly the top 4 © is killing the England team. I've not looked into the rule much but I do understand a 'homegrown' rule is being put in place, from next season?

However it's bullshit this 'homegrown' rule means they just have to be trained up through the clubs youth system, so say Arsenal for example will just buy a load of young French lads, train them up though their youth academy and they will be 'homegrown'.

There needs to be a rule when there are a certain amount of Englishmen need to play in a team per game.

No doubt that'd be racist or something though!

It wouldn't mean it'd make the England team any better, It wouldn't mean we'd win the World Cup or European Championship, but as you said you were trying to pick a team for World Cup 2014 and were struggling, don't get me wrong English players will break through, we're not going to run out of English players but forcing teams to train up and breed good English players would certainly give us more options and in theory more players meaning more choices, better options and more competition, instead of only having a certain few to pick from.

[C-man]

There shouldn't have to be a rule about the numbers of 'Englishmen' in the team though. That'd be embarrassing (and discriminatory) to know that a certain number of players are only in a team because of their nationality.

If our players were good enough then teams like Arsenal would play them, but the fact is we don't produce enough talent at an early age to give the top clubs a viable option. Teams are forced to pay £12m for Walcott or £18m for Carrick because there is such a limited amount of half-talented English players and as a result the premium for these players sky-rockets.

You can't simply blame the Premiership and the league's members for ruining the standard of English football, it's the FA's pathetic approach to developing young players at grassroots. Skillful players are cast off because they aren't big enough or strong enough when they're 9. The standard of coaching is in general, woeful, and the FA's response is to bring in a foreign coach at the top level on £6m a year.

[davieG]

There shouldn't have to be a rule about the numbers of 'Englishmen' in the team though. That'd be embarrassing (and discriminatory) to know that a certain number of players are only in a team because of their nationality.

If our players were good enough then teams like Arsenal would play them, but the fact is we don't produce enough talent at an early age to give the top clubs a viable option. Teams are forced to pay £12m for Walcott or £18m for Carrick because there is such a limited amount of half-talented English players and as a result the premium for these players sky-rockets.

You can't simply blame the Premiership and the league's members for ruining the standard of English football, it's the FA's pathetic approach to developing young players at grassroots. Skillful players are cast off because they aren't big enough or strong enough when they're 9. The standard of coaching is in general, woeful, and the FA's response is to bring in a foreign coach at the top level on £6m a year.

But then you hear of stories where a young English guy sent out letters to all the clubs asking for a trial and didn't receive one reply he repeated the request using a foreign sounding name and got many.

Clubs and fans for that matter seem to be obsessed by or at least attracted to foreign footballers assuming they are better obviously many are but plenty aren't as we've seen.

[iBleedLeicesterColours]

But then you hear of stories where a young English guy sent out letters to all the clubs asking for a trial and didn't receive one reply he repeated the request using a foreign sounding name and got many.

Clubs and fans for that matter seem to be obsessed by or at least attracted to foreign footballers assuming they are better obviously many are but plenty aren't as we've seen.

Good post DavieG. Slightly off topic here but to back up this comment I will say that the standard of football at youth level in England is second to none. The academys are filled with top players.

The standard in Leicestershire is one of the highest, no doubt about it. My Hinckley United, Stanton and Aylestone Park teams in u13, 14, 15,16 went on several tours around the UK, and also to Amsterdam and won all the ones in England, yet we couldn't win our sunday league, regularly finishing 2nd and 3rd. Beat a couple of German and Dutch sides and a Norweigen side comfortably and eventually lost to a good dutch side in the final.

So it does Pi5s me off when this kind of thing happens because England does have talented players, but there seems to be a preference.

[Matt]

But then you hear of stories where a young English guy sent out letters to all the clubs asking for a trial and didn't receive one reply he repeated the request using a foreign sounding name and got many.

Clubs and fans for that matter seem to be obsessed by or at least attracted to foreign footballers assuming they are better obviously many are but plenty aren't as we've seen.

Hmmm i'm not a footballer but in a similar situation (In temporary work looking for permanent work sending out CV's and letters to numerous companies and getting no response's hardly) maybe I should try it, Might go with a Polish name or something!

[leicesterseddon]

It's the fact that they don't care about England that ticks me off. How can you not care when your national team is playing? And then continuously slag them off.

Perhaps they aren't patriotic? It's hardly a vice. In fact, the argument could even be made that a lack of pride in one's country, historically speaking, has been proven to be a good thing...

[Alexikokopops]

But then you hear of stories where a young English guy sent out letters to all the clubs asking for a trial and didn't receive one reply he repeated the request using a foreign sounding name and got many.

Clubs and fans for that matter seem to be obsessed by or at least attracted to foreign footballers assuming they are better obviously many are but plenty aren't as we've seen.

But you could just as easily argue that's a symptom of poor youth development.

Good post DavieG. Slightly off topic here but to back up this comment I will say that the standard of football at youth level in England is second to none. The academys are filled with top players.

The standard in Leicestershire is one of the highest, no doubt about it. My Hinckley United, Stanton and Aylestone Park teams in u13, 14, 15,16 went on several tours around the UK, and also to Amsterdam and won all the ones in England, yet we couldn't win our sunday league, regularly finishing 2nd and 3rd. Beat a couple of German and Dutch sides and a Norweigen side comfortably and eventually lost to a good dutch side in the final.

So it does Pi5s me off when this kind of thing happens because England does have talented players, but there seems to be a preference.

I'm sure I've read that the reason we have youngster's (as in under 13/14/15 etc.) that do well against foreign teams is because we tend to focus on a more physical approach. By the time you get to under 18/19 and everyone's pretty much finished growing and the like, we have no physical dominance any more and do worst. Something along those lines anyway.

[poopbutt]

you are correct alexialcopops

[Houdini Logic]

You're an Englishman, you should support England when they are playing.

Crazy logic

[Edmund]

The key is technical skills. In Brazil they play football on the streets with no shoes and a ball patched up with plasters to stop it from leaking.

Here in England their spoilt with brand new nikes, dropped of in their dads mercedes to a five star pitch at an allocated time each week. It becomes a chore not a love.

It's all about wanting it more and playing football for fun and enjoying it.