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[MooseBreath]

But of a strawman there. One data set misinterpreted and then jumped on by the media and interest groups either way does not represent the views of all climate scientists.

Yes one dataset, the dataset for "global temperature" which is of pretty fundamental importance. This wasn't just a rogue scientist but the work of two separate authorities on climate change. Authorities whose reports have shaped policy, who have now been proven to be straight up liars.

[Guest]

Yes one dataset, the dataset for "global temperature" which is of pretty fundamental importance. This wasn't just a rogue scientist but the work of two separate authorities on climate change. Authorities whose reports have shaped policy, who have now been proven to be straight up liars.

 

Just keep your head in the sand and hopefully someone else will save you.

[MooseBreath]

Just keep your head in the sand and hopefully someone else will save you.

Save me from what? Nobody has any idea what is going to happen to the climate. Your preparations for a warmer climate might be the thing that kills you when it turns out that the climate actually cools.

[AKCJ]

Just keep your head in the sand and hopefully someone else will save you.

 

 

lol

 

Don't be so wet you tart.

[Christoph]

Save me from what? Nobody has any idea what is going to happen to the climate. Your preparations for a warmer climate might be the thing that kills you when it turns out that the climate actually cools.

 

Maybe not and maybe some of the IPCC reports may be over-exaggerated in terms of future impact predictions but the fact is...the climate is warming up. That is a fact and with that...impacts will happen. 

 

 

You should watch that video. Guy really sums up the problem with this anti-climate change attitude. 

 

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[Guest MattP]

Just keep your head in the sand and hopefully someone else will save you.

[MooseBreath]

Maybe not and maybe some of the IPCC reports may be over-exaggerated in terms of future impact predictions but the fact is...the climate is warming up. That is a fact and with that...impacts will happen.

You should watch that video. Guy really sums up the problem with this anti-climate change attitude.

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There is no evidence that hasn't been adjusted via assumptions that says the climate is warming, so that isn't a fact. Which leads to a problem with the argument in the video which is that if we don't know what is going to happen to the climate then how do we know what action to take? He would have to add in a third column which states that we take the wrong action which would lead to the worst of all scenarios

Using his own theory - that we should take whatever action or non-action that avoids the worst possible scenario - we should then take no action.

[Mike Oxlong]

Rapidly increase in the planet's population will result in an increase in the production and release of methane.

According to the US EPA

"Pound for pound, the comparative impact of CH4 on climate change is over 20 times greater than CO2 over a 100-year period".

So keep those rippers in chaps and cut down on the beans and eggs or else we're doomed.

[MooseBreath]

Rapidly increase in the planet's population will result in an increase in the production and release of methane.

According to the US EPA

"Pound for pound, the comparative impact of CH4 on climate change is over 20 times greater than CO2 over a 100-year period".

So keep those rippers in chaps and cut down on the beans and eggs or else we're doomed.

Most of that from cows. Perfecting lab-grown beef = problems solved, and then some.

[Merging Cultures]

Most of that from cows.

Only 50% of the population is female though.

[Bettsj2]

Only 50% of the population is female though.

#Clarksonbantz

[sphericalfox]

Rapidly increase in the planet's population will result in an increase in the production and release of methane.

According to the US EPA

"Pound for pound, the comparative impact of CH4 on climate change is over 20 times greater than CO2 over a 100-year period".

So keep those rippers in chaps and cut down on the beans and eggs or else we're doomed.

 

Jon and Krishnan are trumpy bastards farting us to apocalypse?

[Merging Cultures]

#Clarksonbantz

And we all know women don't fart!!

[leicsmac]

Yes one dataset, the dataset for "global temperature" which is of pretty fundamental importance. This wasn't just a rogue scientist but the work of two separate authorities on climate change. Authorities whose reports have shaped policy, who have now been proven to be straight up liars.

Irrelevant. Still only one dataset, which was, as I said, misinterpreted and jumped on by the populist media and interest groups no matter what their agenda to either say the sky is falling or everything is hunky dory, neither of which is true.

And even if this wasn't the case, governments have been pretty forgiving of other areas where advisors and so called experts in their field have got things wrong, haven't they? *cough*economics*cough* At least most scientists actually admit it when they're wrong and work with new hypotheses, rather than swearing blind it wasn't their fault.

In any case, it's a pretty moot point anyway, as I've said here. The climate is going to change, with or without our input. The important thing is dealing with it, not wondering how it happened.

[Webbo]

Irrelevant. Still only one dataset, which was, as I said, misinterpreted and jumped on by the populist media and interest groups no matter what their agenda to either say the sky is falling or everything is hunky dory, neither of which is true.

And even if this wasn't the case, governments have been pretty forgiving of other areas where advisors and so called experts in their field have got things wrong, haven't they? *cough*economics*cough* At least most scientists actually admit it when they're wrong and work with new hypotheses, rather than swearing blind it wasn't their fault.

In any case, it's a pretty moot point anyway, as I've said here. The climate is going to change, with or without our input. The important thing is dealing with it, not wondering how it happened.

The difference is is if you ask 100 economists you'll get 100 different theories and although there are disagreements you're not accused of being evil for disagreeing. When it comes to climate change you either accept all the scare stories and hyperbole or you're in the pay of the oil companies and/or you want millions of people to die.

[MooseBreath]

I don't understand how temperature data is irrelevant when we're talking about climate change. I don't understand that at all. It is fundamental, and it matters precisely because it affects how we "deal with it". Mitigating actions required vary massively depending on what the temperature is doing. If the temperature data is being fiddled and we're acting on that, it will lead to even worse consequences than if we did nothing at all.

[Guest]

So back to my comment about the neanderthals who follow Top Gear - the BBC DG has received death threats because he hasn't renewed Clarkson contract. 

 

Proves my point.

 

And it seems the followers don't believe in climate problems either. 

[Strokes]

So back to my comment about the neanderthals who follow Top Gear - the BBC DG has received death threats because he hasn't renewed Clarkson contract.

Proves my point.

And it seems the followers don't believe in climate problems either.

What climate problems?

[Jimothy]

So back to my comment about the neanderthals who follow Top Gear - the BBC DG has received death threats because he hasn't renewed Clarkson contract.

Proves my point.

And it seems the followers don't believe in climate problems either.

I love Top Gear and I haven't sent any death threats. Oldham fans were sending death threats to their own board members no so long back because they nearly signed Ched Evans. In fact I was going to list instances of death threats being sent, but you only have to google it to see that anyone from Royals to pop stars, to footballers to politicians have been subject to death threats in the past. You even have music fans sending them to partners of their idol.

So the fact a few idiots got a bit OTT and sent this to the DG proves nothing, as there seems to be Neanderthal followers in nearly all walks of life, and it's not all Top Gear fans.

[Strokes]

I love Top Gear and I haven't sent any death threats. Oldham fans were sending death threats to their own board members no so long back because they nearly signed Ched Evans. In fact I was going to list instances of death threats being sent, but you only have to google it to see that anyone from Royals to pop stars, to footballers to politicians have been subject to death threats in the past. You even have music fans sending them to partners of their idol.

So the fact a few idiots got a bit OTT and sent this to the DG proves nothing, as there seems to be Neanderthal followers in nearly all walks of life, and it's not all Top Gear fans.

What you mean the actions of a few, don't represent the masses? Well this changes everything.

[Jimothy]

What you mean the actions of a few, don't represent the masses? Well this changes everything.

I know it seems obvious, but you have to explain these things to FIF.

[leicsmac]

What you mean the actions of a few, don't represent the masses? Well this changes everything.

Interesting how many don't extend that same courtesy to members of a particular group when a lunatic minority of them carries out heinous acts, isn't it?

[leicsmac]

The difference is is if you ask 100 economists you'll get 100 different theories and although there are disagreements you're not accused of being evil for disagreeing. When it comes to climate change you either accept all the scare stories and hyperbole or you're in the pay of the oil companies and/or you want millions of people to die.

Another strawman. The scientists themselves aren't the ones going round getting in other people's faces saying the sky is falling...that's those who are interpreting the data to fit their own agenda, often with very little scientific knowledge. I say again - most science is apolitical, but highly emotive and political footballs like this get twisted around by agendas on all sides, when the scientists themselves are trying to tell everyone just to calm the fvck down because not a lot is actually certain.

[leicsmac]

I don't understand how temperature data is irrelevant when we're talking about climate change. I don't understand that at all. It is fundamental, and it matters precisely because it affects how we "deal with it". Mitigating actions required vary massively depending on what the temperature is doing. If the temperature data is being fiddled and we're acting on that, it will lead to even worse consequences than if we did nothing at all.

Sorry, I should have clarified. The temperature dataset is irrelevant because by and large the scientific community thinks it's useless without more time based data (e.g. Much much longer) to ascertain whether or not there is going to lead to long term change soon that will affect civilisation.

It was released in error, idiots on both sides jumped on it, and even though it is BS people aren't letting go.

You're going after the entire climate science profession on account of a single error that was actually corrected quite quickly.

Like I said, the only reliable pointer we have is rising CO2 levels, which are going to lead to some kind of change. We need to prepare for that, whichever way the temperature chooses to go as a result of it.

[MooseBreath]

We must be talking about different things. I'm talking about the systematic manipulation of data that has been going on for years, at least as far back as the climategate scandal, and which was recently shown to be still going on.

Link here with numerous links back to source data.

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2015/01/20/massive-tampering-with-temperatures-in-south-america/

And I still don't understand what preparation you think we need to take? If we don't know what direction the temperature is going to take, how do we know what preparations to make?