marbelladave Posted 18 October 2009 Posted 18 October 2009 I throughly agree with the lack of width. Lloyd Dyer was one of the best players on the pitch yesterday but there was nobody on the right. Michael Morrison was excellent defensively but at the end of the day he is a centre half playing at right back, he's not gonna beat his man going forward and I have never been a fan of Oakley on the right, he just drifts back centerally. tbh I would rather have N'Guessan/ Adams/ Gradel being given an extended run in the team preferably Adams. Howard is only good enough for the bench, Kermo needs to be playing. Rant over True enough. But I point you back above to my post on wingers. There are few great center forwards around, just as there are few great wingers, their time is past. With the players we have available we should be playing 4-3-3. Oakley, King and Wellens pretty much as yesterday, Dyer and N'Guessan or Gradel pushed forward on the flanks either side of Waghorn (chosen for his pace) or Gallagher / Yanni (for their ability to lead the line). Play the ball on the floor, into the feet of Gallagher or Yanni or into the channels or over the top for the quick men. Dyer and N'Guessan in particular are far more effective receiving the ball in and around the edge of the box than they are getting possession in midfield where they have to turn and beat 2 or 3 defenders to get into the box.
James. Posted 18 October 2009 Posted 18 October 2009 Some comments: Derby were awful - the game should have been over by half time. We were shit as soon as we got near the penalty box. Some of our passing and movement was top class. King had his best game for ages. Dyer should have stayed on. Waghorn should have come on for Howard (Derby couldn't handle pace). Morisson was decent but couldn't provide the width we needed on the right. South Stand seemed pretty decent. Derby fans were disappointing.
Tilley Posted 18 October 2009 Posted 18 October 2009 Derby were absolutely pathetic and how we didn't beat them I'll never know. Our right hand side was ineffective and it was crying out for Gradel, N'Guessan or even Adams to be on the wing. Oakley kept drifting inside and Morrison for all this efforts couldn't commit too much incase he left himself short if Derby countered attacked. Thought Pearson's substitutions were strange yesterday too and he waited far too long to bring Waghorn on. Also, Fryatt must be questioning why he got brought off and fucking Howard remained on the pitch. I'm sick to the back teeth of watching Howard throw himself all over the defenders then fall on the floor and throw his arms around like a moaning bitch. Waghorn shouldn't be down the pecking order behind this clown and neither should Kermo or DJ Campbell who I'd have liked to have seen yesterday. The same is happening from when we were last in the Championship, a serious lack of goals and it needs sorting.
Sparky Posted 18 October 2009 Posted 18 October 2009 Sorry to interrupt everyone's enjoyment of the usual Thracian-Anish nonsense......but Hobbs, the tackle to redeem the awful defending in order to prevent a certain late goal: fooking outstanding. Absolutley , i was screaming for him to just haul him down whilst he was still outside the box and take the red card. The timing of the tackle was superb even if it was his previous error
Thracian Posted 18 October 2009 Posted 18 October 2009 I don't think you are qualified to form an opinion though Valarenga if you weren't at the game...(not my view but Thracian's) If you stop making trite digs and read the threads below the above you'll likely learn a lot about what's going on and what might be done about it. Yourself and your sidekicks excepted, the consensus does seem to be that something needs to change. And, in particular, the use of a proper right winger and an alternative to Howard at centre-forward.
Scow Posted 18 October 2009 Posted 18 October 2009 Derby clearly came for the point; some of that dictated by their injury woes. We simply didn't do enough in the final third to win the game. I can't remember their keeper making a save. We looked at our most threatening when we passed the ball quickly and got balls into the box - we didn't do this often enough. Playing Oakley on the right isn't a bad idea - away from home. We needed to stretch Derby on both flanks; instead we only had Morrison as an attacking right sided option. Oakley isn't the sort of player to stay wide on the right as that's not where he's most effective. It worked last season because the level of opposition wasn't as good. For the large part, the quality of football between the Championship and League One is minimal. It's just that teams in the Championship are more adept at grinding out results, helped by having better players. Teams will come to us this season and do what they did to us last time we were in the Championship: get players behind the ball and rely on the counter-attack. We need to be cuter in the final third and playing Oakley on the right only plays into the hands of a containing team who relish attacks down the centre.
Dan Posted 18 October 2009 Posted 18 October 2009 I was actually more disappointed when I left todays game that I was against Preston. Derby are without doubt the worst side we have played this season, they played a boring, hoofball to absolutely no-one on a regular basis, and Clough is only there because of his name, the Derby board and fans won't want him out because of it, they are going absolutely no-where. To our problems: Howard - He seems to have gone off lately, I know his games isn't about scoring goals, but 0 in 10 is simply not good enough from an attacking position. I'm also questioning his headers and the accuracy of them, how they so often seem to go to nowhere. Oakley - Glimpses of quality, but also regular giving the ball away cheaply, and I question his Leadership abilities at times and I think that Brown would definately be a better captain. Fryatt - Feel bad to criticise him in a way, but am I the only one that thinks if he doesn't score then he really does offer absoloutely nothing? The fact that Watford was the last time our forward line got a goal (That was a month ago tomorrow) is quite a concern. King - Now yesterday was clearly his best game of the season for me so far, so fair play on that, but I really have to question his impact on a game, yesterday he was getting involved and honestly did look a good player, thats the King I've been wanting to see for so long, but before yesterday he seemed like an invisibility. The lack of ambition from the fans - Sorry, but just because we were slightly over-achieving doesn't make shit results like this any more acceptable, stop saying get off his back or what did he do wrong etc.. we failed to score at home to a fucking awful side, I'm not going to be happy about it. I honestly think in January we have to spend a bit, a central midfielder with some real physical ability would help, someone like Savage or Cattermole. Also I think we should try and get a goalscoring target man, possibly a right back and maybe another winger, thats my thoughts though.
Corky Posted 18 October 2009 Posted 18 October 2009 Frustrated, because we dominated long spells of possession without creating clear-cut opportunities. Disappointed with Derby coming for a point, we're not ripping teams apart at home, so I thought they'd fancy a chance of a win from the outset. Pleased to see us keep possession and look to pass it rather than go long as a first resort. King was superb yesterday, best I've seen him play for a while, and despite his error near the end, Hobbs was very solid, as were the full-backs. Could've been a win, but it's important not to lose when you don't, so that's a positive of sorts. We're still not far away from the top, a win on Tuesday is vital though.
Ross-Kemp Posted 18 October 2009 Posted 18 October 2009 8th after 12 games, i'm very happy with the current position. Hobbs, Brown, Dyer and even Morrison were all outstanding yesterday. We should have won, but we didn't, we threw everything at Derby including the kitchen sink, but couldn't seem to hit the net. Pearson needs to have a word with his midfield, as said in previous posts, Morrison (a centre back by trade) was playing right wing at times. 4-4-2 = 2 wingers. He's trying to accomadate everyone, and it isn't gonna happen. We need to bring in an experienced championship striker with a proven track record in during the January window. Robbie Savage is a cnut, and I wish death upon the scruffy long haired ****wit. And on a side note, the trouble after the game, was once again caused by bad policing, who then got very heavy handed. It took 30 police officers to arrest a young lad in the pub after the game. Disgraceful.
joely22 Posted 18 October 2009 Posted 18 October 2009 they are going absolutely no-where. One step back to take two steps forward springs to mind. Relegation seems to be the best thing that could have happened to you lot. It might be shit now but it'll no doubt get better. More chance of it happening that way instead of swapping managers again and have another 'rebuilding season' next season.
suffolk fox Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 So it's not tough being an adult and having cancer, or a soldier with just one limb missing?I'm sick of you making out how Pearson's got this or that wrong, implemented the wrong tactics and selected the wrong players every time we fail to win (or even when we win but fail to win convincingly). You seem to think everything is so simple and straightforward and use your past coaching experience at amateur level as some sort of argument that you could get more out of the current Leicester City squad. It's so easy to talk the talk, and you know you can keep doing it week in week out because you'll never get the opportunity to prove whether you could do any better or not. You're like one of those TV pundits who has never managed a professional football club but has the audacity to tell others how manager X got this wrong or manager Y should've used your tactics instead. It's incessant and boring - everyone here knows that as soon as Leicester don't win you'll be on with your essays preaching how Nigel Pearson should've done his job. Quite frankly, we don't have the squad to win promotion or make the play-offs. We've stuck with largely the same squad as last season but now you're expecting them to steamroll teams in the Championship, which simply isn't going to happen. Players like Brown, King, Oakley, Dyer and Howard - all of whom dominated in their respective positions last season - have this season been caught out and found wanting on a number of occasions. This season is about stabilising ourselves in this league again and not losing depressingly 1-0 at home to piss poor teams. We're still doing much better than most people would've thought at the beginning of the season. Give Nigel a break - he's doing a better job than most people would've thought even if we do have to endure days like today. Yes there are problems, but they are nowhere near as drastic as you suggest with your ramblings. Quality post hear hear!!!!
suffolk fox Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 My only concern is that although we are not losing games we are drawing once again too many in this league. I am not suggesting at all that we will be reletgated this season but the year we went down in this league we drew far too many games. Draws are no good in this league you have to win. Look at Florist 4 wins on the bounce and they are up to seventh!
Dr The Singh Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 What a disapointment, first half we played some attractive footy without penetration, it was like getting plenty of foreplay but no sex...........very very frustrating!!! Due to our inability to cause the derby defence any real danger, gave them the confidence to assert themselves alittle more in the second half. I think a couple of seasons ago, Derby would have got the penalty which looked a dead cert from where I was sitting and would have scored from Hobbs mistake!! If we play like this against Palace, we will lose!!
Dr The Singh Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 What a disapointment, first half we played some attractive footy without penetration, it was like getting plenty of foreplay but no sex...........very very frustrating!!!Due to our inability to cause the derby defence any real danger, gave them the confidence to assert themselves alittle more in the second half. I think a couple of seasons ago, Derby would have got the penalty which looked a dead cert from where I was sitting and would have scored from Hobbs mistake!! If we play like this against Palace, we will lose!! I'll also add, King had his best performance of the season, well done to the lad!!
Jiggers the Fox Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 ive never seen such a one-sided game that had so little action! the amount of posession we had without creating chances was slightly worrying. Then again before the game i said i would like 4 points from the two home games, so a win against palace and i'll be happy Also, agree with the above comment, King was a bright spark and hopefully he's adapting to this level of football.
Mack Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 Can I just say to whoever it was that said genuine wide play was a thing of the past... Aaron Lennon Joe Cole Stuart Downing Shaun Wright-Phillips Ashley Young Theo Walcott Chris Eagles And they are just the English ones I can think of off the top of my head. It maybe fashionable in the top European teams not to play a traditional 4-4-2 system but we are talking Championship, and if you are going to play that system having players like Dyer and giving them the license to stay wide beat the full back and put in a decent cross is essential. We have the players to score the goals, they just need a decent supply, and all I saw Saturday was route 1 thump it from the back to the striker. I could teach them to do that!
CosbehFox Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 We have a player but he's ignored despite scoring once this season and looking in good nick.
Babylon Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 The game was crying out for something different as it wasn't working, the replacements were just wrong. Oakley off for a winger, Howard off for Waghorn and Fryatt off for DJ would have been my call. A bit of pace and unpredictability was needed.
marbelladave Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 Can I just say to whoever it was that said genuine wide play was a thing of the past...Aaron Lennon Joe Cole Stuart Downing Shaun Wright-Phillips Ashley Young Theo Walcott Chris Eagles And they are just the English ones I can think of off the top of my head. It maybe fashionable in the top European teams not to play a traditional 4-4-2 system but we are talking Championship, and if you are going to play that system having players like Dyer and giving them the license to stay wide beat the full back and put in a decent cross is essential. We have the players to score the goals, they just need a decent supply, and all I saw Saturday was route 1 thump it from the back to the striker. I could teach them to do that! Thank you. Your list of names illustrates my point completely. All those player except perhaps Downing prefer to start wide then cut inside to provide a goal threat. Players like Lennon and Walcott have the pace to get to the bye line but rarely do so, using this mode of attack sparingly to keep the fulback 'honest'. Usually they both cut inside and play the ball in from the corner of the box or drive further forward looking for a shooting opportunity. Young and Cole both play on the left but are both right footed so again much more of a threat when cutting inside onto their stronger foot. SWP can not cross to save his life so again is much more of a threat in more central positions. I accept that these players are what are called wingers in the modern game but to suggest that they have anything in common with 'real' English wingers who hug the sideline, go past the fullback on the outside and provide a stream of crosses to the center forward suggests that you are perhaps too young (lucky bugger) to have seen such players in action on a regular basis.
marbelladave Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 The game was crying out for something different as it wasn't working, the replacements were just wrong.Oakley off for a winger, Howard off for Waghorn and Fryatt off for DJ would have been my call. A bit of pace and unpredictability was needed. What was really missing was some kind of coherent tactics! We had a midfield set up to play a passing game and a traditional big man / little man strike force suited to the long ball. :frusty: Dyer was our best attacking player but once again his defensive duties limited his impact in forward areas and lead to him getting on the ball in positions that were far too deep for him to be really effective.
Mack Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 Thank you. Your list of names illustrates my point completely.All those player except perhaps Downing prefer to start wide then cut inside to provide a goal threat. Players like Lennon and Walcott have the pace to get to the bye line but rarely do so, using this mode of attack sparingly to keep the fulback 'honest'. Usually they both cut inside and play the ball in from the corner of the box or drive further forward looking for a shooting opportunity. Young and Cole both play on the left but are both right footed so again much more of a threat when cutting inside onto their stronger foot. SWP can not cross to save his life so again is much more of a threat in more central positions. I accept that these players are what are called wingers in the modern game but to suggest that they have anything in common with 'real' English wingers who hug the sideline, go past the fullback on the outside and provide a stream of crosses to the center forward suggests that you are perhaps too young (lucky bugger) to have seen such players in action on a regular basis. I have no idea what games you are watching mate! Sorry about the shit music
marbelladave Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 I have no idea what games you are watching mate! Sorry about the shit music Thanks for the youtube links and yes the music was really shit. I really do not 'do' hip -hop in any of it's myriad forms. I think we have a language issue here. Around half the clips of Lennon show him driving towards goal with his final ball played from inside the box, this is not really what I call wing play. The SWP clip is even more interesting. Having beaten his man on the outside, he got to the goal line then failed to hit a first time cross as a 'proper' winger would have done. He dragged the ball back then attacked the box. I know this is the way that modern wingers play and I accept that, but I was responding to posts that call for our wingers to get to the bye line and put in a stream of crosses for the center forward. None of our wingers do that on a remotely consistent basis and I was just pointing out that there are few wingers in the top divisions who do. Like my dislike of all things hip-hop, it is probably an age thing....
Thracian Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 The game was crying out for something different as it wasn't working, the replacements were just wrong.Oakley off for a winger, Howard off for Waghorn and Fryatt off for DJ would have been my call. A bit of pace and unpredictability was needed. Now I've fallen down and banged my head!
Raj Posted 20 October 2009 Posted 20 October 2009 Just wish we had someone who could whip in corners like the Derby corner taker man!!!! Oaks is shit at them!!!
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