caz123 Posted 3 January 2010 Posted 3 January 2010 WHY DOES EVERYONE SEE KERMORGANT AS A GOD? He hasn't done anything. No goals to his name, just an assist. Because he's got a fancy name, and he's french everyone worships him! He needs more time to prove himself. If Fryatt left the person that would save us would be Waghorn. His pace and strength upfront has already impressed this season. Well said mate
Joe. Posted 3 January 2010 Posted 3 January 2010 We'd be pretty fucked if we sold him to be honest, I can't see another striker in the team who'd get anywhere near as many goals as him, even Waghorn who I genuinely rate highly. £3m would certainly be a testing offer for Mandaric, but I'd have faith that kind of figure would be turned down quickly. Fryatt's probably playing the football of his life at the moment, aclimatising to the Championship very well by finding the net on a regular basis. He's recently signed a longer term deal (not that that counts for a great deal I know) and is practically worshipped by our fans. I don't think it would pain him too much to stay put for now...
Tommeh Posted 3 January 2010 Posted 3 January 2010 I'd go as far as seeing he's irreplacable. For all his faults he's a quality player who's delivered incredibly in the past year and a half. Whilst he isn't worth more than £3m to most people, to us he's priceless. He'd only do another Connoly, go to them purely go for the lure of premier league football. We are twice the club of Wigan. I firmly believe if he wants premier league football he'd be best getting it here, probably not next season, maybe not the year after but certainly the way we keep improving eventually and during his best years. Fryatt has a huge opportunity to be a real modern day hero at this club, he'd be a fool in my opinion to sacrifice it all for a club pitching well above their weight and one that will tumble down sooner rather than later.
Lillehamring Posted 4 January 2010 Posted 4 January 2010 I'm not sure you've been to many games this season if you think he lacks pace, he definitely seems quicker than he used to.Also, maddog's probably the most fickle poster on here, I wouldn't take his opinion of any player particularly seriously. you obviously haven't read many of maddog's posts on the subject of howard - a less fickle opinion you will not find!
Jimmy Posted 4 January 2010 Posted 4 January 2010 Although it sounds like an oxymoron for a club like us selling your best players IS a way to progress. Unless some multi-billionaire benefactor is about to invest in us we have NO money, selling someone like Fryatt for £3m or more if we can get it, when we have a ready made replacement here in Paul Gallagher, who has scored plenty of goals at this level before, allows us to spend money to strengthen in other areas where we are weak. Would I prefer we raised the money by offloading the likes of Campbell, Wesolowski, Chambers, Dickov, Porter et al. Obviously but that isn't likely to happen so unfortunately for clubs like us the better players have to be allowed to move on for a sizeable sum other wise the manager can't bring in the players he needs/wants in other key areas. Its not like we don't have other options in the squad either Gallagher, Kermorgant, Waghorn (for this season at least) a recalled D. J. Campbell not to mention the highly rated Billy Kee, who for all we know could easily do a job for us coming from the bench. People saying about the play-offs being beyond us if we were to sell him may well be right but I would say promotion, football wise would be a disaster, the club is still heavily in debt, so the vast majority of money would go to service that, as it should if we want to have a club long term, and we'd stand absolutely no chance of staying up without spending heavily, I for 1 have had enough the past few seasons watching us play shit and lose every week, seeing Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea and alike hammer us is not that appealing to me I'd much rather we made steady progress in this league for a couple of years, get a better squad together and then go up. Although I'm sure I'm in a massive minority. I do not necessarily want Fryatt to leave, however selling him MIGHT be better for our progression as a club in the long term.
philayres200 Posted 4 January 2010 Posted 4 January 2010 I think some people forget that if he didn't have floors he'd of started playing for Real Madrid at the age of 16 and be banging in 50 goals a seasonI Love this club.. but we are Leicester City. In the championship. and we are only just emerging from some seriously bad seasons of football... Matty Fryatt has the potential to get better. If you want anyone to give you any credibility concerning your views or opinions please accept a couple of 'tips'. 'Floors' are surfaces you walk on, normally found in buildings. 'Flaws' are deficiencies. Furthermore, and scores of people do this one - it is not 'he'd of started playing', it should be 'he would have started playing'. 'Could of this', 'would of that', 'should of the other' - absolute rubbish - 'Could have', 'would have', 'should have', OK? Anyway, Fryatt gets better and 3 million ain't enough - Yan will be a big hero for us by the end of the season - and as long as Gallagher is not used as a target man, and 'plays off' a stronger striker he could prove to be very useful as well, as a goalscorer. We desperately need a strong, put your foot in, hard nosed, in your face midfielder who can put fear into opposition players. Since half time against Sheff Wed, Wellens, Oakley and King have won a few tackles - in the first half of that game they did not win one tackle between them at all, fact. The back four won every tackle during that same half, fact. I know we were winning at half time in that game, but it is obvious the management team had some strong words with our midfield, because since then we have improved a little. There can be no doubt however, that all our midfield players are 'lightweight', except perhaps for Dany, who in any case is a going forward wide man/striker. If we can get hold of one/two midfielders with 'bite' and maybe Kerrea Gilbert we could be celebrating by the end of this season again!
dandannieldanok Posted 4 January 2010 Posted 4 January 2010 Although it sounds like an oxymoron for a club like us selling your best players IS a way to progress. Unless some multi-billionaire benefactor is about to invest in us we have NO money, selling someone like Fryatt for £3m or more if we can get it, when we have a ready made replacement here in Paul Gallagher, who has scored plenty of goals at this level before, allows us to spend money to strengthen in other areas where we are weak.Would I prefer we raised the money by offloading the likes of Campbell, Wesolowski, Chambers, Dickov, Porter et al. Obviously but that isn't likely to happen so unfortunately for clubs like us the better players have to be allowed to move on for a sizeable sum other wise the manager can't bring in the players he needs/wants in other key areas. Its not like we don't have other options in the squad either Gallagher, Kermorgant, Waghorn (for this season at least) a recalled D. J. Campbell not to mention the highly rated Billy Kee, who for all we know could easily do a job for us coming from the bench. People saying about the play-offs being beyond us if we were to sell him may well be right but I would say promotion, football wise would be a disaster, the club is still heavily in debt, so the vast majority of money would go to service that, as it should if we want to have a club long term, and we'd stand absolutely no chance of staying up without spending heavily, I for 1 have had enough the past few seasons watching us play shit and lose every week, seeing Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea and alike hammer us is not that appealing to me I'd much rather we made steady progress in this league for a couple of years, get a better squad together and then go up. Although I'm sure I'm in a massive minority. I do not necessarily want Fryatt to leave, however selling him MIGHT be better for our progression as a club in the long term. You've obviously got it set in your mind that Gallagher is good enough to replace Fryatt which I find quite strange given what we've all seen from the pair of them. Yes Gallagher has got goals behind him in this league but he's looked distinctly average since arriving here. In my opinion, unless we bought a quality replacement we'd soon slip down the table, none of the other strikers in this squad have even threatened to score as many goals as Fryatt has and will. I don't see how promotion would be a disaster, in fact all the television money e.t.c. would surely help us eradicate our debts, that's how money works isn't it? Burnley have proved that you don't have to spend millions to be competitive, in fact I doubt there's a vast difference between our wage bill and theirs. Surely you must have heard Owen Coyle bang on tediously about his tiny budget. I don't see how Fryatt leaving is going to help us in the long term. We'd get about £3m for him which in modern football terms is barely a drop in the ocean, I don't see one positive at all to selling him.
El Furio Posted 4 January 2010 Posted 4 January 2010 He's had nothing but so called fans knocking him since he arrived at the club. Despite his heroics last year, people said he couldnt do it in the championship. He didnt score for the first few games despite being 50% fit and people said he couldnt cut it. I wouldnt blame him for leaving. For some reason, a section of supporters constantly slag him off despite him obviously being one of the most talented strikers we've had at the club for many years. If he left, we wouldnt get a replacement that has anywhere near his talent as players still do not see us as a big enough draw.
Jimmy Posted 4 January 2010 Posted 4 January 2010 You've obviously got it set in your mind that Gallagher is good enough to replace Fryatt which I find quite strange given what we've all seen from the pair of them. Yes Gallagher has got goals behind him in this league but he's looked distinctly average since arriving here. In my opinion, unless we bought a quality replacement we'd soon slip down the table, none of the other strikers in this squad have even threatened to score as many goals as Fryatt has and will.I don't see how promotion would be a disaster, in fact all the television money e.t.c. would surely help us eradicate our debts, that's how money works isn't it? Burnley have proved that you don't have to spend millions to be competitive, in fact I doubt there's a vast difference between our wage bill and theirs. Surely you must have heard Owen Coyle bang on tediously about his tiny budget. I don't see how Fryatt leaving is going to help us in the long term. We'd get about £3m for him which in modern football terms is barely a drop in the ocean, I don't see one positive at all to selling him. Gallagher has a better track record in this league then Fryatt had pre-season so I see no reason why he couldn't replace him. Television money alone wouldn't eradicate our debts as costs rise when you get to the premier league, all the players will get a promotion wage rise of around 20-25% and I'm sure there would be other costs I'm not aware of. As for your point about Burnley they had a much better starting point in what their squad was when they went up to what ours is, they spent years gradually improving it and eventually went up last season and are now reaping the benefits of that groundwork. I said at the end of the post you quoted that I'm not campaigning for Fryatt to be sold but it would be far from the disaster people are making it out to be, funnily enough the (some of) same people that wanted him sold Martin Allen (in probably his best decision here in hindsight) turned down £900k from Wolves.
davieG Posted 4 January 2010 Posted 4 January 2010 Gallagher has a better track record in this league then Fryatt had pre-season so I see no reason why he couldn't replace him.Television money alone wouldn't eradicate our debts as costs rise when you get to the premier league, all the players will get a promotion wage rise of around 20-25% and I'm sure there would be other costs I'm not aware of. As for your point about Burnley they had a much better starting point in what their squad was when they went up to what ours is, they spent years gradually improving it and eventually went up last season and are now reaping the benefits of that groundwork. I said at the end of the post you quoted that I'm not campaigning for Fryatt to be sold but it would be far from the disaster people are making it out to be, funnily enough the (some of) same people that wanted him sold Martin Allen (in probably his best decision here in hindsight) turned down £900k from Wolves. Every year we're in the championship our ownership of the stadium gets weaker as we're not paying off the debt or probably the interest. Financially we need to be in the Premiership to reduce the stadium debt, this is not guess work it's fact and has been public knowledge from when we first moved to the Walkers Stadium. This is why we have no money to spend on transfers.
lou Posted 4 January 2010 Posted 4 January 2010 MM will do what he wants, Fryatt will do what he wants, as will Fryatts agent Quite sure none of them give a shit what I want
davieG Posted 4 January 2010 Posted 4 January 2010 MM will do what he wants, Fryatt will do what he wants, as will Fryatts agent Quite sure none of them give a shit what I want Aah I'm sure there's some out there that cares lou
lou Posted 4 January 2010 Posted 4 January 2010 Aah I'm sure there's some out there that cares lou You really think so?
Webbo Posted 4 January 2010 Posted 4 January 2010 MM will do what he wants, Fryatt will do what he wants, as will Fryatts agent Quite sure none of them give a shit what I want Beat me to it. Wigan has a fair chance of staying up and if Fryatt rates himself he'll think that they have a better chance if he signs for them. Add that to the huge pay rise he'd get if he moved, then nothing we say matters one jot.
MPH Posted 4 January 2010 Posted 4 January 2010 If you want anyone to give you any credibility concerning your views or opinions please accept a couple of 'tips'. 'Floors' are surfaces you walk on, normally found in buildings. 'Flaws' are deficiencies. Furthermore, and scores of people do this one - it is not 'he'd of started playing', it should be 'he would have started playing'. 'Could of this', 'would of that', 'should of the other' - absolute rubbish - 'Could have', 'would have', 'should have', OK? Anyway, Fryatt gets better and 3 million ain't enough - Yan will be a big hero for us by the end of the season - and as long as Gallagher is not used as a target man, and 'plays off' a stronger striker he could prove to be very useful as well, as a goalscorer. We desperately need a strong, put your foot in, hard nosed, in your face midfielder who can put fear into opposition players. Since half time against Sheff Wed, Wellens, Oakley and King have won a few tackles - in the first half of that game they did not win one tackle between them at all, fact. The back four won every tackle during that same half, fact. I know we were winning at half time in that game, but it is obvious the management team had some strong words with our midfield, because since then we have improved a little. There can be no doubt however, that all our midfield players are 'lightweight', except perhaps for Dany, who in any case is a going forward wide man/striker. If we can get hold of one/two midfielders with 'bite' and maybe Kerrea Gilbert we could be celebrating by the end of this season again! piss off you condescending twat. i'll swap my dyslexia for your good spelling any day of the week. maybe you'll enjoy people making fun of you too? i often spend some time correcting the spelling and re-reading everything i have written. usually 3-4 times. i havnt recently - sorry to disappoint you.
lou Posted 4 January 2010 Posted 4 January 2010 piss off you condescending twat.i'll swap my dyslexia for your good spelling any day of the week. maybe you'll enjoy people making fun of you too? i often spend some time correcting the spelling and re-reading everything i have written. usually 3-4 times. i havnt recently - sorry to disappoint you. You spelt havent wrong......... Only joking m8 Too many teachers on here
Ultra Posted 4 January 2010 Posted 4 January 2010 He's had nothing but so called fans knocking him since he arrived at the club.Despite his heroics last year, people said he couldnt do it in the championship. He didnt score for the first few games despite being 50% fit and people said he couldnt cut it. I wouldnt blame him for leaving. For some reason, a section of supporters constantly slag him off despite him obviously being one of the most talented strikers we've had at the club for many years. If he left, we wouldnt get a replacement that has anywhere near his talent as players still do not see us as a big enough draw. Your IQ seems to be as low as your post count. Over the years, some of the best strikers in English football have worn the shirt of Leicester City - the likes of Worthington, Lineker, Cottee and Ferdinand spring to mind. Fryatt is literally not in their league. Yes, he has been relatively prolific during the past season and a half. But that doesn't mean we should forgive or forget the role he played in some of City's worst-ever seasons. So I wouldn't rage at either Mandaric or Pearson if they decided to exclude Fryatt from future plans. And should Wigan and Wolves wish to engage in a bidding war for him, so much the better! The proceeds can then be spent on players of genuine quality.
Lillehamring Posted 4 January 2010 Posted 4 January 2010 Although it sounds like an oxymoron for a club like us selling your best players IS a way to progress. Unless some multi-billionaire benefactor is about to invest in us we have NO money, selling someone like Fryatt for £3m or more if we can get it, when we have a ready made replacement here in Paul Gallagher, who has scored plenty of goals at this level before, allows us to spend money to strengthen in other areas where we are weak.Would I prefer we raised the money by offloading the likes of Campbell, Wesolowski, Chambers, Dickov, Porter et al. Obviously but that isn't likely to happen so unfortunately for clubs like us the better players have to be allowed to move on for a sizeable sum other wise the manager can't bring in the players he needs/wants in other key areas. Its not like we don't have other options in the squad either Gallagher, Kermorgant, Waghorn (for this season at least) a recalled D. J. Campbell not to mention the highly rated Billy Kee, who for all we know could easily do a job for us coming from the bench. People saying about the play-offs being beyond us if we were to sell him may well be right but I would say promotion, football wise would be a disaster, the club is still heavily in debt, so the vast majority of money would go to service that, as it should if we want to have a club long term, and we'd stand absolutely no chance of staying up without spending heavily, I for 1 have had enough the past few seasons watching us play shit and lose every week, seeing Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea and alike hammer us is not that appealing to me I'd much rather we made steady progress in this league for a couple of years, get a better squad together and then go up. Although I'm sure I'm in a massive minority. I do not necessarily want Fryatt to leave, however selling him MIGHT be better for our progression as a club in the long term. i think you offer and answer you're own criticism of your point here - what makes you so sure that the £3M+ would be used to strengthen the squad, especially if we don't get promoted... oh, and the next person that comes up with bullshit negativity about us 'inevitably' being beaten every week if we get promotion is gonna get it...
Dylan Posted 4 January 2010 Posted 4 January 2010 http://boards.footymad.net/forum.php?tno=5...;mid=2123418986 Some Wigan fans don't even want him.
Koke Posted 4 January 2010 Posted 4 January 2010 Your IQ seems to be as low as your post count. The proceeds can then be spent on players of genuine quality. Like? I suppose having a striker who is on course to getting 20 goals this season is not "genuine quality" - not to mention being at the top of the assist chart at the club as well. My footballing knowledge, however, is very limited and I bow down to your superiority, so please do tell us what other "genuine quality" strikers are hanging around waiting to be signed for peanuts.
Salieri Posted 4 January 2010 Posted 4 January 2010 I wouldnt blame him for leaving. For some reason, a section of supporters constantly slag him off despite him obviously being one of the most talented strikers we've had at the club for many years. Your IQ seems to be as low as your post count. Harsh to say the least. Fryatt is one of the most talented strikers we've had for many years. FACT. Anyone with aspirations of promotion being happy for one of our best and most important players to leave would be lacking in the I.Q department themselves. And wtf has his post count got to do with anything?!
lcfc81 Posted 4 January 2010 Posted 4 January 2010 You spelt havent wrong......... Only joking m8 Too many teachers on here And what's wrong with teachers? (just to add I am slightly dyslexic as well to the amusement of many pupils and other members of staff!)
Guest Mee-9 Posted 4 January 2010 Posted 4 January 2010 And what's wrong with teachers?(just to add I am slightly dyslexic as well to the amusement of many pupils and other members of staff!) I'm just generally a slow minded person.
Jimmy Posted 4 January 2010 Posted 4 January 2010 i think you offer and answer you're own criticism of your point here - what makes you so sure that the £3M+ would be used to strengthen the squad, especially if we don't get promoted...oh, and the next person that comes up with bullshit negativity about us 'inevitably' being beaten every week if we get promotion is gonna get it... because I believe Milan trusts NP enough to give him some of the transfer proceeds to add to the squad
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