21st Century Fox Posted 20 June 2012 Posted 20 June 2012 He probably is guilty of not using a condom and rubbing his boner on a girl but the U.S. are blatantly trying to drag him there by any means necessary to face the death penalty/life in prison with Bradley Manning.
Guest MattP Posted 20 June 2012 Posted 20 June 2012 He probably is guilty of not using a condom and rubbing his boner on a girl but the U.S. are blatantly trying to drag him there by any means necessary to face the death penalty/life in prison with Bradley Manning. I don't anyone sensible would support an extradition to the USA on the basis of this, he clearly has things to answer in Sweden though. I'm not that clued up on the Bradley Manning case but I'll give it a read later.
Daggers Posted 20 June 2012 Posted 20 June 2012 Pervert. In all seriousness, it's very bizarre, the evidence looks fairly flimsy to say the least and then he goes and does this, he's made a lot of his friends and supporters who are going to lose fortunes now look pretty silly. Not according to one bloke on 5Live who is about to lose £20,000 who says he'd happily do it again (as would his friends) because he believes in Assange. He also says he believes there is a credible chance Sweden would deport him to the USA where he could face the death penalty. In his shoes I'd prefer to spend the remainder of my life eating BBQ gunnea-pig in Otavalo too.
ADK Posted 20 June 2012 Posted 20 June 2012 I can't imagine the USA would use the death penalty on him.
Daggers Posted 20 June 2012 Posted 20 June 2012 I can, but then I have a very active imagination. I can imagine things like Thatcher being fvcked with a baseball bat which has razor blades sticking out of it. You name it I can probably imagine it - although I am having trouble imagining cooling ever holding down a position of responsibility where it doesn't result in the end of days.
Guest MattP Posted 20 June 2012 Posted 20 June 2012 Not according to one bloke on 5Live who is about to lose £20,000 who says he'd happily do it again (as would his friends) because he believes in Assange. He also says he believes there is a credible chance Sweden would deport him to the USA where he could face the death penalty. In his shoes I'd prefer to spend the remainder of my life eating BBQ gunnea-pig in Otavalo too. Fair play to him, though I doubt all the donators will have a similar attitude. There is absolutely no chance of the USA trying to execute Assange and it's a fantasy land to even talk about it.
leicsmac Posted 20 June 2012 Posted 20 June 2012 Fair play to him, though I doubt all the donators will have a similar attitude. There is absolutely no chance of the USA trying to execute Assange and it's a fantasy land to even talk about it. Who'd try to stop them? Yes, there'd be a big backlash by many people but with no real punch. Certain of the folk in the upper echelons of the US military establishment care nothing for popular opinion as they know it'll never affect them (short of Obama being convinced by the public to force their resignations). Think about all the secret extradition flights the US has done in the past 10 years. Believe me, they can do what they want as long as it is in the name of 'national security'. Call me paranoid, but if Assange sets foot on US soil his life expectancy will be very limited, one way or another. That said, I don't think it'll come to that - I don't think Sweden would approve his extradition there...but I think Assange is pretty smart not to take any chances that he'll end up with a black bag over his head flying westward.
ozleicester Posted 25 June 2012 Posted 25 June 2012 The blindness that allows people to state... there is no chance of them executing him... is exactly why he needed to seek asylum in Ecuador. People are stupid enough to believe that governments (particualrly US) actually act legitimately. The leaking of the documents did not cause any harm to America.. in fact it possibly has shortened the war.. thereby saving more American lives. This is conspiracy in action... watch it unfold folks, when you are bitter old cynics you can look back on this as the event that if only you had realised, you couldve changed things.
Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo Posted 16 August 2012 Posted 16 August 2012 Just bull-doze the damn embassy! Or set it alight, when they dial 999, the fire brigade should say "I'm sorry - Ecuador is not in our jurisdiction"
leicsmac Posted 16 August 2012 Posted 16 August 2012 Good luck getting to Quito then True, think he's going to have to stay at the embassy for a while yet. Still can't blame the man for being paranoid about the US snatching him if he is extradited to Sweden. There are numerous precedents for such a thing (not for people in Sweden, but you get my drift). As I said earlier in the thread, the man obviously knows enough not to take any chances that he'll end up black-bagged. FWIW I do hope he makes it to Quito, because if nothing else his organisation showed how powerful information can be.
The Doctor Posted 16 August 2012 Posted 16 August 2012 You name it I can probably imagine it - although I am having trouble imagining cooling ever holding down a position of responsibility where it doesn't result in the end of days. :: I'd like to see him in charge of immigration, should be funny.
Darkon84 Posted 16 August 2012 Posted 16 August 2012 : : I'd like to see him in charge of immigration, should be funny. Was it worth bringing up a post from 2 months ago just to have a random pop at someone? Get a good twitch-on? . Meanwhile, back on topic. It will be interesting to see how this develops further. I still don't see the Americans letting this go easily, they'll find a way to get their hands on him.
The Doctor Posted 16 August 2012 Posted 16 August 2012 Was it worth bringing up a post from 2 months ago just to have a random pop at someone? Get a good twitch-on? . Meanwhile, back on topic. It will be interesting to see how this develops further. I still don't see the Americans letting this go easily, they'll find a way to get their hands on him. It's two months old? Shit. In my defence, it is only on the last page, so it's not like I searched an entire topic for something to have a pop at
Webbo Posted 16 August 2012 Posted 16 August 2012 Can't really see why we care so much. I thought none of us wanted rapists to get away with it.
accessory Posted 16 August 2012 Posted 16 August 2012 Because anyone facing a rape investigation (Assange hasn't even been charged yet) is automatically guilty, right?
Webbo Posted 16 August 2012 Posted 16 August 2012 Because anyone facing a rape investigation (Assange hasn't even been charged yet) is automatically guilty, right? Sweden has issued an arrest warrant against him. He's lost his appeal against extradition after due process, he'll get a fair trial in Sweden, what's the problem? Or are you saying anyone who denies rape is automatically innocent?
Zingari Posted 16 August 2012 Posted 16 August 2012 Does anyone really believe that it's the rape allegation that is the reason he's being hounded ?
Webbo Posted 16 August 2012 Posted 16 August 2012 Does anyone really believe that it's the rape allegation that is the reason he's being hounded ? Virtually everybody he's ever worked with, including women journalists at the Guardian say he's a weirdo and a bit of a sex pest. I find it very believable.
The Doctor Posted 16 August 2012 Posted 16 August 2012 And does that the accusations were only made after he made America (who have a special extradition treaty with Sweden) look like mugs not strike you as a tad suspicious? If it were just about the rape charges, I'd suspect the Swedes wouldn't have rejected the Ecuadorian embassy offer of a pass to come in and question him.
Zingari Posted 16 August 2012 Posted 16 August 2012 Virtually everybody he's ever worked with, including women journalists at the Guardian say he's a weirdo and a bit of a sex pest. I find it very believable. Can you ever remember us threatening an embassy to arrest a criminal wanted in another country before ? What happened when Yvonne Fletcher was shot from the Libyan embassy ? why did we allow them all to leave the country ?
Webbo Posted 16 August 2012 Posted 16 August 2012 And does that the accusations were only made after he made America (who have a special extradition treaty with Sweden) look like mugs not strike you as a tad suspicious? If it were just about the rape charges, I'd suspect the Swedes wouldn't have rejected the Ecuadorian embassy offer of a pass to come in and question him. We have an infamous special extradition treaty with the US too. The left are always saying we are America's lap dog, especially now we have a tory govt. Why would the US want to go through Sweden?
Webbo Posted 16 August 2012 Posted 16 August 2012 Can you ever remember us threatening an embassy to arrest a criminal wanted in another country before ? What happened when Yvonne Fletcher was shot from the Libyan embassy ? why did we allow them all to leave the country ? I don't know why they've done that, let him rot in virtual imprisonment until he wants to leave the embassy. Seems a silly tactic to me.
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