deep blue Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 Although I don't want to see Nicky go to a Championship rival (no offence, but especially you lot as some of your more arrogant fans seem to think it's 'a done deal' with a 'tinpot little club'), I actually will be far from crying into my beer if he does leave. No denying the quality of the boy, I would say that he is a long way from 'unproven' in the Championship. He will score 20+, but barring injury so will Brett Pitman IMO, and if the money can sort us out 2 or 3 defenders I think we will be in a far better position. Some good comments about Pitman on this thread. Should we be going for him rather than Maynard (or both!)? Just a thought.
thewarmanator Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 All this 'sideways move' talk seems to be because Bristol City and ourselves are in the same division. Which is a bit like arguing Kevin Doyle would never be interested in a move from Wolves to Arsenal cos Wolves are a Premiership club anyway. Sideways move. My days. Not quiet a fair comparison! No wonder our fans get called arrogant
Guest Bilo Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 Hyperbole for the purposes of wummery. A fairer comparison would probably be bringing up Matt Mills. If a player at a club that came within 90 minutes of the Premiership would think us an advance in his career, why the hell wouldn't Maynard? Reading are another club likely to be near the play-offs again yet Mills was happy to leave. Why? Money, the chance to work under a world-renowned manager and the fact that we look to be doing all in our power to build a side pushing for automatic promotion. If a player would leave Reading for that, why the hell wouldn't a Bristol City player? I just don't see why Bristol City fans are so squeamish about admitting that while we are both Championship clubs, Leicester City are currently better placed for a promotion bid and therefore an attractive potential move for one of their players.
Redski Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 I think many BCFC fans see it as a sideways move because both sides are in the same league and don't necessarily think you'll gain promotion next season. Also despite finishing above us last year we came out on top over the two games. I doubt many would argue LCFC are a bigger club in terms of history, fan base or the money you are currently willing to pay but the bottom line is we are all assuming NM wants premier league football and neither club can currently offer it.
Redski Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 Hyperbole for the purposes of wummery. A fairer comparison would probably be bringing up Matt Mills. If a player at a club that came within 90 minutes of the Premiership would think us an advance in his career, why the hell wouldn't Maynard? Reading are another club likely to be near the play-offs again yet Mills was happy to leave. Why? Money, the chance to work under a world-renowned manager and the fact that we look to be doing all in our power to build a side pushing for automatic promotion. If a player would leave Reading for that, why the hell wouldn't a Bristol City player? I just don't see why Bristol City fans are so squeamish about admitting that while we are both Championship clubs, Leicester City are currently better placed for a promotion bid and therefore an attractive potential move for one of their players. Just because you think you are better placed doesn't mean it'll happen, many tipped Boro last year having spent a lot of money and look where they ended up. I'd suggest NM is happy at BCFC and until a prem side comes in for him he'll continue scoring goals for us in the championship.
Number 6 Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 I think many BCFC fans see it as a sideways move because both sides are in the same league and don't necessarily think you'll gain promotion next season. Also despite finishing above us last year we came out on top over the two games. I doubt many would argue LCFC are a bigger club in terms of history, fan base or the money you are currently willing to pay but the bottom line is we are all assuming NM wants premier league football and neither club can currently offer it. Finishing top over the 2 games (even though we got 3 points each), is surely less of an achievement than finishing higher in the league?
The People's Hero Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 From NM's POV, he stands to get a very generous signing on fee in a year's time if he runs his BCFC contract down. I've seen glimpses of quality from the lad, but honestly, any talk of anything over £3million is over the top, especially as he has had his share of injury problems. We overpaid for Matt Mills, but to be fair, he has been a consistently good 8/10 performer and is easily in the top 3 or 4 centre banks in the division, in my opinion.
FoxyPalace.com Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 Leave them too it. He will walk away on a free, only then will the Bristol City posse will be regretting the proposed sale to the mighty Foxes. By that time we will be Prem bound and we will get him for free, Now thats what you call a deal. Bristol City will be relegated, and the new stadium just does not materialise. Simply!
John Matrix Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 there's no way his contract is running out. anyone who thinks that is as delusional as some of those bristol city fans
leicesterseddon Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 there's no way his contract is running out. anyone who thinks that is as delusional as some of those bristol city fans Exactly. He either signs or he's sold. No club in this league would let him walk in a year's time if it meant saying good-bye to £5m now...not even if it means selling to a 'rival' in the same division.
The People's Hero Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 Leave them too it. He will walk away on a free, only then will the Bristol City posse will be regretting the proposed sale to the mighty Foxes. By that time we will be Prem bound and we will get him for free, Now thats what you call a deal. Bristol City will be relegated, and the new stadium just does not materialise. Simply! I don't really understand why they are planning to build a new stadium. It's just going to be like Coventry all over again. We can chat on about 'catchment areas' and 'potential fan bases' all we like, but all it really is is circles on a map. The fact is the BCFC have a chairman who does not want to put the money in to make them a major player, which is fair enough - and their brand is very much small time. Sure everything is cyclical and at times they might get a few more in through the turnstiles but ultimately, like Coventry, they have a decent catchment area and it is a damning inditement of them that even with that potential fanbase, nobody wants to go and watch them. What all this means wrt Nicky Maynard, I don't really know. Realistically, if he is as good as some BCFC fans would have you believe (£8million!!!!) he'll end up in the premiership one day - and I seriously doubt that that will be with BCFC. Fair play to their board though - they certainly have some cojones. They are basically gambling on him signing a new contract and increasing in value or him having a good start to the season, staying injury free and there still being suitors for him in January. To be honest, we all know that struggling prem clubs will panic buy a striker in January. It always happens. Risky strategy. Ballsy strategy. We'll see.
Guest Bilo Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 I think many BCFC fans see it as a sideways move because both sides are in the same league and don't necessarily think you'll gain promotion next season. Also despite finishing above us last year we came out on top over the two games. I doubt many would argue LCFC are a bigger club in terms of history, fan base or the money you are currently willing to pay but the bottom line is we are all assuming NM wants premier league football and neither club can currently offer it. Club size is a bit of a red herring these days. Both of our clubs are bigger than for example Wigan, but if Martinez came in for Maynard both you and us would expect Maynard to pitch up at the DW Stadium. The problem is that PL clubs aren't exactly queuing up for Maynard, the only bids and enquiries received have been from Championship clubs. Maynard must then accept he is unlikely to play Premiership football next season. But to sign a new contract at Ashton Gate means that he would be, with all due respect, reducing his chances of playing Premiership football for three years or more. It looks unlikely you'll invest much this summer, whereas we are heavily investing. Come here and he might only have one more year in the Championship. Stay at Brizzle, he may never get the chance.
MPH Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 Only an idiot would want him to play against us. Really? I don't think I'm alone amongst BCFC fans when I say i would rather we take, say, 4m off a PL club and let Nicky have his big chance, than 6m+ off you lot and have him playing against us for a sideways move. Now i want to say right here i am not one to gloat. i never have been... I have spoken out against those who have been gloating. But some facts DO need to be addressed.... If you are willing to take 2million less on a player and think that one player on his own decides the fate of 6 points that that right there proves it isnt a sideways move.... that shows such poor ambition... 2m in the championship can buy you a very decent player ( one who would help you out in 44 other league games!). Isnt that almost what Maynard himself cost you? I dont get this delusion that it would be a sideways move. On what grounds would it be ? Because you have a rich chairman? ( who has been with you more than 4 years and has obviously splashed the cash to get you into the prem straight away) Is it because of this new stadium? ( which again was announced over 4 years ago and building still hasnt started on it) Is it because you have the same attendances than us? ( on average 9,000 a game less than us) Is it because of the influx on new players this season? ( errm.. Kilkenny from Leeds, the rotherham striker who scored 12 goals last year and the plymouth winger Balosie i think his name is..) Are you HONESTLY saying they are on such a par with our signings to make them equal as ours? Is it the pre-season friendlies you have lined up? ( we have Real Mallorca, Valencia and Real Madrid amongst others) Go on... please indulge me... what is it that makes you think it would be a sideways move for him? let me guess... the division we are in? If you really think both clubs are heading in the same direction and that is all you have to claim it would be a sideways move.. What has your chairman actually done ( NOT promised to do but ACTUALLY done) to give yourself such a high opinion of him and your club? You, Sir, are quite frankly deluded.
The People's Hero Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 there's no way his contract is running out. anyone who thinks that is as delusional as some of those bristol city fans Why's that? No one can force NM to sign a new contract nor to move until its up. I agree with you for what its worth, but its far from impossible.
Redski Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 From NM's POV, he stands to get a very generous signing on fee in a year's time if he runs his BCFC contract down. I've seen glimpses of quality from the lad, but honestly, any talk of anything over £3million is over the top, especially as he has had his share of injury problems. We overpaid for Matt Mills, but to be fair, he has been a consistently good 8/10 performer and is easily in the top 3 or 4 centre banks in the division, in my opinion. and NM is in the top 3 or 4 forwards. Joint top scorer in his last full season and averaged 1 in 2 last year. And as for injuries do your homework or look back through this beast!!
The People's Hero Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 and NM is in the top 3 or 4 forwards. Joint top scorer in his last full season and averaged 1 in 2 last year. And as for injuries do your homework or look back through this beast!! I'm not disputing what you say, but I personally wouldn't put him in my top 3 forwards in the division. I would prefer we signed Yakubu if I'm honest. Time will tell what occurs - but can you honestly see NM at your club in February? Next season?
leicesterseddon Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 I don't really understand why they are planning to build a new stadium. It's just going to be like Coventry all over again. We can chat on about 'catchment areas' and 'potential fan bases' all we like, but all it really is is circles on a map. The fact is the BCFC have a chairman who does not want to put the money in to make them a major player, which is fair enough - and their brand is very much small time. Sure everything is cyclical and at times they might get a few more in through the turnstiles but ultimately, like Coventry, they have a decent catchment area and it is a damning inditement of them that even with that potential fanbase, nobody wants to go and watch them. What all this means wrt Nicky Maynard, I don't really know. Realistically, if he is as good as some BCFC fans would have you believe (£8million!!!!) he'll end up in the premiership one day - and I seriously doubt that that will be with BCFC. Fair play to their board though - they certainly have some cojones. They are basically gambling on him signing a new contract and increasing in value or him having a good start to the season, staying injury free and there still being suitors for him in January. To be honest, we all know that struggling prem clubs will panic buy a striker in January. It always happens. Risky strategy. Ballsy strategy. We'll see. That's the thing though, football catchment areas are not all the same. Last season Burnely had a higher average gate than Bristol City - and that's with a population of 70,000 or so and with several big clubs in the local area. The West Country has never been a football region, and I doubt it ever will be.
The People's Hero Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 That's the thing though, football catchment areas are not all the same. Last season Burnely had a higher average gate than Bristol City - and that's with a population of 70,000 or so and with several big clubs in the local area. The West Country has never been a football region, and I doubt it ever will be. I think thats sort of the point I'm trying to make, but not doing so very well. There's loads of people live near me, but I doubt they'd pay £25 to come and sit in my garage for 2 hours watching me get beat at darts by my mates.
MC Prussian Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 £7m pays you 3 Yakubus. I think most people will understand what I'm getting at. The Bristol City board, manager and owner are simply playing a very dangerous game. Football poker, one might say. It can backfire big time.
FoxyPalace.com Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 Right guys, in my view we have played nicely and offered very good money to Bristol City for Maynard, Whats the bets Svens is set to tap Nicky up, Get in there Svennis :sge:
MPH Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 Right guys, in my view we have played nicely and offered very good money to Bristol City for Maynard, Whats the bets Svens is set to tap Nicky up, Get in there Svennis :sge: If Maynard hasnt worked out by now that Sven wants him then nothing will help. The interesting thing is Maynard hasnt said anything at all. No public statement.. If he wanted to stay surely he would issue a public statement..... or if he wanted to leave he would hand in a transfer request.... doesnt seem like he is sure himself...
FoxyPalace.com Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 If Maynard hasnt worked out by now that Sven wants him then nothing will help. The interesting thing is Maynard hasnt said anything at all. No public statement.. If he wanted to stay surely he would issue a public statement..... or if he wanted to leave he would hand in a transfer request.... doesnt seem like he is sure himself... Nicky tell them the truth, we all know you want to wear the strip of the mighty Foxes, grow a pair and make it quick!
The People's Hero Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 If Maynard hasnt worked out by now that Sven wants him then nothing will help. The interesting thing is Maynard hasnt said anything at all. No public statement.. If he wanted to stay surely he would issue a public statement..... or if he wanted to leave he would hand in a transfer request.... doesnt seem like he is sure himself... I disagree. Whilst Maynard ultimately can make the decision for the clubs (player power), he is in a good position and does not need to play his hand just yet. If he does want a move to Leicester, he may still get it without losing his potential entitlement to some of the fee (by handing in a transfer request). He won't want to commit to BCFC publically until he is certain that is what he wants... we have seen footballers get abuse for that before (incl Curtis Davies as a recent example, said too much too soon, went elsewhere and got abused).
John Matrix Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 Why's that? No one can force NM to sign a new contract nor to move until its up. I agree with you for what its worth, but its far from impossible. because the lad either wants to stay or he wants to go. No way he would let it run down in the hope a Prem team comes in for him next year. Bristol are willing to double his money and so are we. He would rather be guaranteed double what he's earning now for at least a year (3/4 really) rather than run his contract down and not be guaranteed to get that wage increase. He knows if he performs people will come in for him regardless. And if he doesn't he's making lots of money anyway.
The People's Hero Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 because the lad either wants to stay or he wants to go. No way he would let it run down in the hope a Prem team comes in for him next year. Bristol are willing to double his money and so are we. He would rather be guaranteed double what he's earning now for at least a year (3/4 really) rather than run his contract down and not be guaranteed to get that wage increase. He knows if he performs people will come in for him regardless. And if he doesn't he's making lots of money anyway. I do agree, but footballers and their agents aren't like you or I. If he really is that confident in his ability, he might back himself to get a really good offer next year. Of course, he should play safe since another long injury and he's screwed.
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