Babylon Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 That is opinion and has little fact behind it Although the inspector gadget blog does allude to the fact the makeup of the crowd was thought to be behind them not charging in.
Bellend Sebastian Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 "....adding Chief Constable of West Midlands Police, Chris Sims, is arresting around one person a minute at the moment" That's some going. If only all coppers were this efficient
Trav Le Bleu Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 According to the BBC theres enough prison spaces... Was talking to warders at the HMYOI in Glen Parva this morning and they're already getting plans in order. "....adding Chief Constable of West Midlands Police, Chris Sims, is arresting around one person a minute at the moment" That's some going. If only all coppers were this efficient
21st Century Fox Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 that is laughable im affraid. How much money do you think the last lot poored into these areas and did we see any improvements whatsoever? did we balls. just face facts, some people just want to play up, some people dont want to get on, some people couldnt give a shit. As I said if it was so bad and a massive injustice for these areas then the whole estates would have been out. You need to remember that you keep mentioning that these poor areas are where they came from, you ever thought that they only went into town and played up because they are already there? On top of my head I can think of 5 or 6 different gangs round my way that probably would have enjoyed doing last night stuff and probably would of got the same numbers if they were based next to town, but theyarent all going to get the bus for 6-7 miles to go and trash somewhere. The point? you have people capable of doing this all over the place not just in those poor areas and some of the arrest prove this. Just look at football hooligans, some have top jobs and in the week they have middle class lives but at the football they cant leave the buzz alone. Its that clean cut?? The arrests for opportunistic looting and violence/arson are totally different. My sisters a psychologist whose currently carrying out a study into anti social behaviour, she's been doing it for a number of years and using the same subjects as they grow up. The results are fairly heavily learning to parenting and its instilled from a young age, making them 'fearless'. These people aren't natually born to get a buzz from this behaviour its instilled into them from outside influences. Tackling bad parenting and stopping the cycle is potentially the only way to stop it. Education has a massive part to play in that.
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 I said less so than things the government are spending money on... Well with cts going in across the board, this would be spending not previously earmarked which you could then in turn argue is diverting funding from other areas. I would say reinstating the English film funds grant would be more worth while spending money on these wasters. Perhaps we should common deer an island or send them to mob rule in places like Lybian / Iran?
Houdini Logic Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 I would say reinstating the English film funds grant would be more worth while spending money on these wasters. Perhaps we should common deer an island or send them to mob rule in places like Lybian / Iran? You're crazy. This isn't spending money on 'them', it's spending money on 'us'
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 Although the inspector gadget blog does allude to the fact the makeup of the crowd was thought to be behind them not charging in. I would have said the sheer numbers involved and the fact that the police would have had tonight running battles through the streets and thus taking heavy casualties was e main reason. They'll pick up enough one by one over the next weeks and months.
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 You're crazy. This isn't spending money on 'them', it's spending money on 'us' But that's why I'd lean towards community service, because that way we get something out of the setance, some of the criminals may also get something out of it (sense of pride, new found work ethic) and we're not just paying for them to stay if a 2 star hotel? If sentances also come with a loss of entitlement to benefits / social housing it would certainly make people think twice.
21st Century Fox Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 YES Well argued. Lets stick them in a prison and wait till they get out and bred again and carry on the cycle. Its like patching over a wall leaking water rather than fixing the pipe behind it.
Houdini Logic Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 But that's why I'd dan towards community service, because that way we get something out of the setance, some of the criminals may also get something out of it (sense of pride, new found work ethic). If sentances also come with a loss of entitlement to benefits / social housing it would certainly make people think twice. My personal opinion is that it just isn't enough. Why would teachers and students care about losing housing benefits? I'd get them off the streets and give them a lengthy sentence as a deterrent and for our own safety. If it's community service then I myself might try and get myself a TV next time...
Guest lcfc80 Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 That is opinion and has little fact behind it - and tends to show some form of prejudice and stereotyping. It also points to the big mindset problem here that people are always comparing themselves to what others have and are therefore constantly unhappy. The danger with views like this is that it could escalate what is currently mindless vandalism on a large scale to race riots. well seeing as reports have said that the grooming of white girls by Asian males has not been investigated properly in the past by the police as they didnt want to upset Asian communities and appear racist than I would say what I posted was well within the realms of possibility
Ilkeston_Fox Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 Well done that man!! http://www.pycsessions.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/parloot.gif
davieG Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 The cynic in me says nothing will change, yes there might a few well publicised actions but come next year it'll be the same old same old! They'll be the usual reactions we get to any event on the back of 'this must never be allowed to happen again' then something controversial will happen as a result causing an over reaction and things will swing back the other way. Society has backed itself into a corner afraid to do anything because they'll always be someone who 'suffers' (often in a very loose way) as a result and their will be a price to pay. So we do nothing.
Guest lcfc80 Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 Well argued. Lets stick them in a prison and wait till they get out and bred again and carry on the cycle. Its like patching over a wall leaking water rather than fixing the pipe behind it. I'd already said all my points in my preivious posts and all your come back has been that your sister is doing a study with some people. How many individuals are actually involved within this study, i mean the subjects? I very much doubt it will involve enough people to give a true figure
21st Century Fox Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 I'd already said all my points in my preivious posts and all your come back has been that your sister is doing a study with some people. How many individuals are actually involved within this study, i mean the subjects? I very much doubt it will involve enough people to give a true figure Yeah you're right they're spending thousands on a pointless study. It seemed an important enough study to be presented at Havard last year. I guess some people actually give a shit about getting to the bottom of it rather than, knee jerk reactions.
Guest lcfc80 Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 The cynic in me says nothing will change, yes there might a few well publicised actions but come next year it'll be the same old same old! They'll be the usual reactions we get to any event on the back of 'this must never be allowed to happen again' then something controversial will happen as a result causing an over reaction and things will swing back the other way. Society has backed itself into a corner afraid to do anything because they'll always be someone who 'suffers' (often in a very loose way) as a result and their will be a price to pay. So we do nothing. probably bang on mate tbh, after all the mike skinner/the streets song is about right 'geezers need excitement 'Geezerz need excitement If their lives don't provide them this they incite violence Common sense simple common sense Geezerz need excitement if their lives don't provide them this they incite violence Common sense simple common sense'
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 My personal opinion is that it just isn't enough. Why would teachers and students care about losing housing benefits? I'd get them off the streets and give them a lengthy sentence as a deterrent and for our own safety. If it's community service then I myself might try and get myself a TV next time... Believe or not teachers and students would probably be entitled to benefits somewhere along the line. How does putting these guys into prison change the mindset of these people? They're already pretty moraless and so I can predict most will view prison with the same relaxed attitude. And so they've been in, come out, remain in the same social circles with the same lack of morales - chances are, they'll be happy todo this again? Add to that, the fact that these prison sentences are only going to be for 6 months to 2 years tops - hardly seems worth it? I appreciate my views will be a somewhat Guardian reading liberal minority and that a lot of people will want extreme put them to the sword punishments akin the Daily Mail (I imagine) but I can't see how that view would make us any better than the mob in some respects?
Guest lcfc80 Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 Yeah you're right they're spending thousands on a pointless study. It seemed an important enough study to be presented at Havard last year. I guess some people actually give a shit about getting to the bottom of it rather than, knee jerk reactions. so you cant tell me how many subjects they are studying it on then? f-uck me, once somebody (and this is true) spent £300,000 trying to find out why teapots drip when poured. pointless?
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 I'd already said all my points in my preivious posts and all your come back has been that your sister is doing a study with some people. How many individuals are actually involved within this study, i mean the subjects? I very much doubt it will involve enough people to give a true figure And so your points are on the back of studying what? A few hours of Sky News?
21st Century Fox Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 so you cant tell me how many subjects they are studying it on then? f-uck me, once somebody (and this is true) spent £300,000 trying to find out why teapots drip when poured. pointless? If I told you how many people are in it, do you have the relevant knowledge to know whether its enough anyway??
Ilkeston_Fox Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 I don't know what Leics has been like. But this is what we've been dealing with: http://www.nottinghamshire.police.uk/newsandevents/news/2011/august/10/violent_disorder_the_night_in_detail/ Is there a link similar to this for Leics? There have been 30 odd pages added to this since I last viewed, so please forgive me for not trawling through it if a link has already been posted.
Guest lcfc80 Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 And so your points are on the back of studying what? A few hours of Sky News? no mate, life
Guest lcfc80 Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 If I told you how many people are in it, do you have the relevant knowledge to know whether its enough anyway?? well i think if you said 10,000 people Id have more chance of believing the relevance than if you said 10. So can you answer or just swerve it again?
21st Century Fox Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 well i think if you said 10,000 people Id have more chance of believing the relevance than if you said 10. So can you answer or just swerve it again? If you had a grasp of the relevance of a psychological study group I'd see your point. no mate, life Yeah fvck those fancy book learnings.
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