Tottenham and other disturbances / riots

[Guest lcfc80]

Sweet that mades way more sense than carrying out a study into it then!

I can't be bothered to go into a the fine details of the study for you because its pointless, any academic study doesn't seem to be able to trump your "life" knowledge so I'd just be pissing in the wind. I'm more than happy to have a go at explaining into anyone who can actually see the value in it.

come on then educate me, i've gave all my opinion of it but all you have done is try and twist and turn your way out of all my points I have made. How many people are involved in this study? thats a good starting point, then we can go deeper. If they have asked say 30 people a few questions who would have a better idea? the researchers or people who spend 'real' time with some of these people day in and day out?

right im off for a dog walk so you can have a little think about the numbers involved and we can have a debate or you can swerve the answer and try and talk me down as thinking about it you havent really answered any of my points but just banged on about some study which you have gone into zero details about but justified its worth by monetising it, which i answer with the teapot research

[One Arm Babba]

Isn't that .... Emperor Palpatine???

[21st Century Fox]

come on then educate me, i've gave all my opinion of it but all you have done is try and twist and turn your way out of all my points I have made. How many people are involved in this study? thats a good starting point, then we can go deeper. If they have asked say 30 people a few questions who would have a better idea? the researchers or people who spend 'real' time with some of these people day in and day out?

right im off for a dog walk so you can have a little think about the numbers involved and we can have a debate or you can swerve the answer and try and talk me down as thinking about it you havent really answered any of my points but just banged on about some study which you have gone into zero details about but justified its worth by monetising it, which i answer with the teapot research

If you had a relevant counter argument I'd jump at the chance to tell you about it but I'm afraid "life" and "adrenaline" without any evidence doesn't cut it. I'm not going to go into extreme detail because I'm not sure if talking about it on the internet would compromise it in anyway but it takes place in Great Britain for an eminent institution, I'm not sure of the exact number and I don't want to guess but its alot and enough to garner a relevant result. Children are tested from an early age (about 6 months) and continued to be tested on a number of times a year for a few year. The children are taken from numerous different backgrounds based on areas they live, families finacial backgrounds etc. Parents are also and tested through questionaires and the children are physcially monitored using 'technology' as they are put in different situations, embarassment, aggression, fear etc. This study has been presented at Havard in which it won an award. It still has a couple of years to run yet.

It you have any academic reason to doubt any of this please do share it with me.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

I think that is a misinformed statement Mr Hammond. I have often helped elderly neighbours with anything they need and i'm sure like others on here give a lot and do a lot for charity. I don't do any of this to get something back.

It's pretty hard to not have disdain for these youths. If i walk to the local shop near me (in Ireland), I will pass a gang of youths most evenings. The age of these kids is 14-17. they all have staffordshire terriers and would stare at anyone to provoke a reaction. I'm 6ft5in and weigh 16stone.... It doesn't bother them. I just laugh at them when they say shit, but, others would be hugely intimidated. How do we get the equilibrium back so that responsible members of society would smile at these kids? its impossible.

I appreciate there are a number of people that don't fit in with this generalisation as yourself (and I'd like to think myself too), that is the problem with generalisations, but you have to draw some in order to find meaningful solutions don't you and if your honest with yourself, I am sure you will know of at least 5 people that could fit into that category?

Those youths you mention for one would fit and sadly we have too many of them, the minority has naturally grown in numbers to form a real threat to society.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

Sub human, cowardly, festering, filth, like these rioters, should be eradicated, in the worst possible way. imo, and I would gladly assist.

[Chairman of the Bored]

Lots of sirens in city centre at the moment. Anything happening or is it just the nopise in my head again?

[DJ Barry Hammond]

In the interests of balance

Where's the balance, there's not one black policeman or a policewoman? (and they're not beating the ass of the blackman )

[DJ Barry Hammond]

Lots of sirens in city centre at the moment. Anything happening or is it just the nopise in my head again?

Must require their adrenaline fix early?

[One Arm Babba]

I've only just realised the Irony in the hoody he is wearing - "Working for our kids"

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

For example after this round of rioting people might look at this and say 'about time too' or 'well done now get those rubber bullets out' but it's not that long ago this would be roundly and universally condemn and I suspect if it happened in the future would get a similar condemnation response.

Well I won't lie, I think that's bloody brilliant.

[Babylon]

Isn't that .... Emperor Palpatine???

Ha ha ha ha ha ha exactly what I thought.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

Well I won't lie, I think that's bloody brilliant.

Big difference there between that and the riots;

Police were up in numbers

They ambushed them!

The criminals were un-armed

It's easy to be a big man in a large group.

[One Arm Babba]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha exactly what I thought.

Times are hard since the collapse of the empire and the destruction of the 2nd death star. I suppose the Emperor is affected by the economic crisis as much as the rest of us. It's a shame to see him resort to looting. Can't he put the past behind him and put his darkside powers to some better use.

Sad times indeed, what next chewbacca killing and injuring Eton school kids.

[21st Century Fox]

I can only imagine the Kaiser Chiefs must be rubbing their hands with the thought of all those royalties rolling in!!

I joke of course I'm sure they aren't.

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

Police were up in numbers

They ambushed them!

The criminals were un-armed

Exactly. Brilliant.

Smash the lot of them in.

[ScouseFox]

Not a single report of any unrest across Merseyside today. Think everyone's scared of the rain.

[Guest lcfc80]

Not a single report of any unrest across Merseyside today. Think everyone's scared of the rain.

Good old PC Rain aye, think the rozzers have been hoping he turned up for duty soon

[Guest lcfc80]

Lots of sirens in city centre at the moment. Anything happening or is it just the nopise in my head again?

here you go mate, http://twitter.com/#!/leicspolice they give a surprisingly honest account of whats happening

[Guest lcfc80]

If you had a relevant counter argument I'd jump at the chance to tell you about it but I'm afraid "life" and "adrenaline" without any evidence doesn't cut it. I'm not going to go into extreme detail because I'm not sure if talking about it on the internet would compromise it in anyway but it takes place in Great Britain for an eminent institution, I'm not sure of the exact number and I don't want to guess but its alot and enough to garner a relevant result. Children are tested from an early age (about 6 months) and continued to be tested on a number of times a year for a few year. The children are taken from numerous different backgrounds based on areas they live, families finacial backgrounds etc. Parents are also and tested through questionaires and the children are physcially monitored using 'technology' as they are put in different situations, embarassment, aggression, fear etc. This study has been presented at Havard in which it won an award. It still has a couple of years to run yet.

It you have any academic reason to doubt any of this please do share it with me.

of course I don't have any academic reason to doubt anything, for one reason it hasnt concluded anything for starters. I understand exactly how it works, its very similar, albeit alot tighter and in more detail than the 7 studies are being conducted and various other experiments/research has been done y the same group for the BBC. Im not a thick as you may think or hope Im affraid

the only reason I take such studies with a pinch of salt is I honestly dont think they research/study a large enough demographic and hence cant get an exact result, especially as you take these people out of their natural environment when they are studied and they never act (in my opinion) as they would in their comfort zone and not being watched.

Dont get me wrong, im not rubbishing these studies and I do think they serve a purpose of sorts but for the reasons I gave i dont think they will ever give you the complete answer and solution, for that you have to get in there and get to know these people in a natural way as possible

[DJ Barry Hammond]

The only reason I take such studies with a pinch of salt is I honestly dont think they research/study a large enough demographic and hence cant get an exact result, especially as you take these people out of their natural environment when they are studied and they never act (in my opinion) as they would in their comfort zone and not being watched.

Dont get me wrong, im not rubbishing these studies and I do think they serve a purpose of sorts but for the reasons I gave i dont think they will ever give you the complete answer and solution, for that you have to get in there and get to know these people in a natural way as possible

Now I would dare to say that could be a fair argument, except I can't imagine you have been involved in any surveys first hand or been close enough to be able to pass coment on the validity.

In the same way, I have no way of telling how valid your life experience is, but from your arguments I sense it's a narrow view in that your beliefs are set and you won't be swayed - I take it your 31 with kids?

[Guest lcfc80]

Now I would dare to say that could be a fair argument, except I can't imagine you have been involved in any surveys first hand or been close enough to be able to pass coment on the validity.

In the same way, I have no way of telling how valid your life experience is, but from your arguments I sense it's a narrow view in that your beliefs are set and you won't be swayed - I take it your 31 with kids?

Nope, 31 with no kids and have a very open mind, hence why I have such a broad range of friends, interests and experiences

[MC Prussian]

Not a single report of any unrest across Merseyside today. Think everyone's scared of the rain.

It was all just a bit blunder up there, admit it.

You're used to it under the term "daily life".

[21st Century Fox]

of course I don't have any academic reason to doubt anything, for one reason it hasnt concluded anything for starters. I understand exactly how it works, its very similar, albeit alot tighter and in more detail than the 7 studies are being conducted and various other experiments/research has been done y the same group for the BBC. Im not a thick as you may think or hope Im affraid

the only reason I take such studies with a pinch of salt is I honestly dont think they research/study a large enough demographic and hence cant get an exact result, especially as you take these people out of their natural environment when they are studied and they never act (in my opinion) as they would in their comfort zone and not being watched.

Dont get me wrong, im not rubbishing these studies and I do think they serve a purpose of sorts but for the reasons I gave i dont think they will ever give you the complete answer and solution, for that you have to get in there and get to know these people in a natural way as possible

I can assure you that the study doesn't require or need the participant to be in their nature surroundings. Its based on fear. If a very young child laughs at something that your average (there's alot of parameters for that) child would be scared of, its generally going to point towards them showing signs of anti-social behaviour later on in life. Obviously its not as simple as that but you get the point. Anti-social behaviour is born from a fearlessness that obviously leads to that "who cares" mentality and no regard for authority because it poses no inherent risk to them due to the lack of fear. I can't really go into what the tests involve, I would like to to because its genuinely interesting but I don't think I want to risk that 0.00000001% chance of this coming up in a google search.

I can assure you that it isn't a tinpot study and a very wide demographic is used in a specifically chosen location.

If you can't see the value in such a thing then thats your choice but if mankind had followed your simplistic approach to problems, we certainly wouldn't be conversing via the internet right now, or have discovered fire, flight or the human genome.

[Guest Bilo]

‘everyman keep off the road tonight, Birmingham is going to be madness, people from london, leicester, derby, manchester to f**k up birmingham of them 3 asian guys that got killed in winson green there coming to riot hard and i don’t want no one to lose their life because of it, stay in your yards and pass this on'

Apparently this is a BBM doing the rounds at the moment, not sure if there's anything in it.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

Nope, 31 with no kids and have a very open mind, hence why I have such a broad range of friends, interests and experiences

My mistake, assumed you'd be taking the kids dog for a walk.

Anyway, you may believe you have an open mind, but just have a look back through your posts and see how closed your arguments were.

It was only the last one you made that gave any consideration that you were willing to accept that a scientific pyshcological study had at least Somerset merits.

As I have challenged you, the simplistic approach is not always the best and sometimes loses sight of the knock on effects.