The Year Of The Fox Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 Damn right it was deliberate yo! Usually, in a riot situation, British cops go in hard with batons and shiz (which is fair enough). But on this occasion I've seen many videos where police are standing by watching children and adults burn and loot. They were obviously ordered not to act. The end result will be normal people losing more of their rights and more of their money to pay for all of this. As usual, the elite are not affected negatively at all. This whole situation only benefits them. Which refers exactly to my question asking whether football hooligans would be treated in the same manner?
sbfox Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 There must be one good thing to come out of this. Surely all police will now be given more powers in how they treat criminals/looters/gangs etc. I read a great book once about how the Para's used to put molten lead in the bottom of their wooden truncheons to give them a bit of bite when swinging them at rioters in N.I. The police need to go in heavy handed. Once again this country is being shown up as a soft touch for all and sundry to basically do what they want. In a leftfield way I'm glad something of this proportion has happened, to highlight the need for stronger policing on our streets. Its nothing but bored gangs who for years have been hanging around on street corners dying for a bit of action such as this. I couldn't give a fuk if they're bored, have no father figure, have no job etc. We're always told that the solution is to get down to the problem at grassroot level, and give the kids something to do to keep them off the streets. All that is bollox. Give them a few years in the army and they will learn the one thing in life that enables you to rise above all this. Discipline. You want the police to be more heavy handed? So when you're being kettled by the police through the streets of whatever shithole on an away day, you want the police to be marching in and picking out boisterous fans? Rubbish. I don't want the police to be given general powers to be more heavy handed. I DO want them to have extra-special powers (such as the water cannon) to be made available on request, but only when absolutely needed.
Guest lcfc80 Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 There must be one good thing to come out of this. Surely all police will now be given more powers in how they treat criminals/looters/gangs etc. I read a great book once about how the Para's used to put molten lead in the bottom of their wooden truncheons to give them a bit of bite when swinging them at rioters in N.I. The police need to go in heavy handed. Once again this country is being shown up as a soft touch for all and sundry to basically do what they want. In a leftfield way I'm glad something of this proportion has happened, to highlight the need for stronger policing on our streets. Its nothing but bored gangs who for years have been hanging around on street corners dying for a bit of action such as this. I couldn't give a fuk if they're bored, have no father figure, have no job etc. We're always told that the solution is to get down to the problem at grassroot level, and give the kids something to do to keep them off the streets. All that is bollox. Give them a few years in the army and they will learn the one thing in life that enables you to rise above all this. Discipline. the only trouble with that is you are taking silly bored pricks and turning them into trained killers it is true that the country has slipped because of too much lefty influence, cherie blair has alot to answer for with the human rights act IMO. People just need to realise that some people dont want help, dont want to fit in with society and like the life of crime. no matter how many youth clubs you build or hugs you give them they dont want to act like society wants and expects, and it isnt just the poorest communities where that can be said about as well
The Year Of The Fox Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 Yeah, so when we actually get organised for a decent cause they will be allowed to royally **** us up and lock us up indefinitely. brilliant. What do you mean by "us" ? Surely if you keep your nose clean you'll never have problems off them?
Trav Le Bleu Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 you asked why they wanted or needed a "buzz" , i'm not trying to compare anti social behaviour with thrill seeking , but if all that is wanted by these people is a "buzz" then maybe they could both serve the same purpose , that's all . They asked Neil Armstrong why he went to the moon... I'll leave the rest of the joke to you.
Webbo Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 Another under privileged youngster whose humanity is saying enough.
21st Century Fox Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 Another under privileged youngster whose humanity is saying enough. Jack Osbourne graduated?!
The Year Of The Fox Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 the only trouble with that is you are taking silly bored pricks and turning them into trained killers it is true that the country has slipped because of too much lefty influence, cherie blair has alot to answer for with the human rights act IMO. People just need to realise that some people dont want help, dont want to fit in with society and like the life of crime. no matter how many youth clubs you build or hugs you give them they dont want to act like society wants and expects, and it isnt just the poorest communities where that can be said about as well Bang on. Which is why National Service would be brilliant for them. The army simply don't give a fuk what you think, what you want and who you are. Can anyone remember Bad Lads Army? A brilliant program which actually worked for the majority
Guest lcfc80 Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 You mean I put faith in academic studies over 'some bloke' who knows people!! YES!! Why are you any different to anyone else who knows people!? Can you not see the major flaws in your simple approach to problems. You answered that they rioted because of adrenaline! Then why wasn't every thrill seeking, bungy jumping, rollercoaster riding citizen out on the street smashing windows! Anti-social behaviour stems from something alot more complicated and unless you've know your friends from about 6 months old, I can't imagine you know them well enough to understand why they may show anti-social tendencies!! Knowing people isn't a sufficient enough process to finding solutions! go on then, enlighten me as to what this study has provern then and what solutions it has come out with? and i didnt say they rioted because of adrenline, i said the buzz they got out of it was adrenaline, that is a scienticifc fact
Trav Le Bleu Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 Damn right it was deliberate yo! Usually, in a riot situation, British cops go in hard with batons and shiz (which is fair enough). But on this occasion I've seen many videos where police are standing by watching children and adults burn and loot. They were obviously ordered not to act. The end result will be normal people losing more of their rights and more of their money to pay for all of this. As usual, the elite are not affected negatively at all. This whole situation only benefits them. It's all part of Cam's plan to get a mandate from the people to bring about martial law, blame the Queen, (who will mysteriously disappear following riots in St James Park), viciously seize control of the armed forces, name himself Supreme Ubermarshell Eternal and form a totalitarian state called Camerlot. You heard it here first!
Wymsey Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 Just to say, I was walking through Loughborough centre today and saw at least 6 police cars parked in this car park. I asked one of them who was nearby 'Is there concerns of rioting here now?' He replied, 'There's been a couple of phone call threats made to Loughborough Police Station, that some ''event'' is being planned by a number of people within the town.''
The Year Of The Fox Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 You want the police to be more heavy handed? So when you're being kettled by the police through the streets of whatever shithole on an away day, you want the police to be marching in and picking out boisterous fans? Rubbish. I don't want the police to be given general powers to be more heavy handed. I DO want them to have extra-special powers (such as the water cannon) to be made available on request, but only when absolutely needed. I think you're taking what I've said out of proportion, I agree with your last sentance entirely. Policing at football is OK the way it is. There are some coppers who go way OTT, but they tend to be the exception IMO. I guess what I was getting at is that you wouldn't see these scenes in almost any other developed city in the world. The police would've put a stop to it on night one.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 the only trouble with that is you are taking silly bored pricks and turning them into trained killers it is true that the country has slipped because of too much lefty influence, cherie blair has alot to answer for with the human rights act IMO. People just need to realise that some people dont want help, dont want to fit in with society and like the life of crime. no matter how many youth clubs you build or hugs you give them they dont want to act like society wants and expects, and it isnt just the poorest communities where that can be said about as well Bang on. Which is why National Service would be brilliant for them. The army simply don't give a fuk what you think, what you want and who you are. Can anyone remember Bad Lads Army? A brilliant program which actually worked for the majority But... but... but... didn't he just disagree with you? Or did I read that wrong?
Guest lcfc80 Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 Damn right it was deliberate yo! Usually, in a riot situation, British cops go in hard with batons and shiz (which is fair enough). But on this occasion I've seen many videos where police are standing by watching children and adults burn and loot. They were obviously ordered not to act. The end result will be normal people losing more of their rights and more of their money to pay for all of this. As usual, the elite are not affected negatively at all. This whole situation only benefits them. are you for real with all this losing freedom bollocks . I'd love you explain how normal everyday people that have had literally zero interaction with a copper to lose their civil liberties
21st Century Fox Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 go on then, enlighten me as to what this study has provern then and what solutions it has come out with? and i didnt say they rioted because of adrenline, i said the buzz they got out of it was adrenaline, that is a scienticifc fact As you said there is no conclusion yet, only compelling results and incredible trends, being that anti-social behaviour is instilled from an extremely early age. Ok, let me ask you this then, so why do they specifically get a buzz out of it and you or I wouldn't? Also can I ask how many friends of yours you're basing this opinion on? and your solution based on this? are you for real with all this losing freedom bollocks . I'd love you explain how normal everyday people that have had literally zero interaction with a copper to lose their civil liberties Peaceful protests.
MikeyT Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 Disgraceful behavior. Lock him up and throw away the key!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cbVW_QS2eE
Guest lcfc80 Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 But... but... but... didn't he just disagree with you? Or did I read that wrong? I did purely because as I said underneath, some people just dont want help etc. I've seen people get sent to a boxing gym to teach them discipline and burn off aggression only to use these new found boxing skills on fighting and mugging people, own goal there.Just because somethings work for some people they wont cure all the problems so I think teaching all the scumbag kids to kill could be slightly dangerous
MC Prussian Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 Another under privileged youngster whose humanity is saying enough. He called the clean-up brigade "fascists". How deluded can you be? And that's what an education gets you? ****ing anarchists and sh*t stirrers, the lot of them.
davieG Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 Disgraceful behavior. Lock him up and throw away the key!! http://www.youtube.c...h?v=0cbVW_QS2eE They have to start somewhere best to nip it in the bud early.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 I did purely because as I said underneath, some people just dont want help etc. I've seen people get sent to a boxing gym to teach them discipline and burn off aggression only to use these new found boxing skills on fighting and mugging people, own goal there.Just because somethings work for some people they wont cure all the problems so I think teaching all the scumbag kids to kill could be slightly dangerous It would be my primary argument against national service too. Taking thugs and teaching them how to kill "properly" - great idea!
davieG Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 What we need is more Stocks and Shares bung them in these stocks so we can all share in their humiliation
Matt Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 Did anyone see that Salford twonk on the news condoning the riots just now? Jesus, what a cockend - all the Poles fault of course. I don't think foreign workers can really be blamed for your poor employment prospects, son Urgh. Right not sure if I saw the same interview or not but I did see a young white lad condoning the looting, and illegal things happening, yes he was a cockend. I'm not sure if it was the same interview because he wasn't blaming the Poles or unemployment or anything, however I find you're post not offending (because if I did i'd be just as bad as the do-gooder, PC twats of the world) but annoying and in my eyes wrong, and we've been through the arguement before, right, Poles/Foreign workers. I lost my job, I was made redundant, before I was made redundant I worked with Poles, They knew fuck all to do with the job - They didn't even have any kit (tools) when they first came, now I ain't gonna claim I personally taught them everything to do the job because I didn't, but I taught them bits, I showed them how to do certain jobs, anyway I was made redundant, out of work for 3 months, I always thought if they wanted to employ anyone within 6 months of making someone redundant they had to offer the job to you, well 3 months to the day after I was made redundant they employed a load of Poles, Poles I had help learn how to do the job, I went to Citizen Advice and asked and they said you had 3 months to appeal against redundancy. It took me a year and a half to get back in perminent work. Now don't get me wrong put me in the manager/company owners shoes, Would I employ someone who is paid £2 - 3 more an hour to do the same job as someone on £2 - 3 less? No, of course not, it's business, however the Poles can afford to work for £2 - 3 less because did I tell you the company I worked for provided house and transport for the Poles, and they didn't have any friends or family to go home to? Not the Poles fault, Not the company's fault, but they been allowed to get away with it and at the end of the day I went to college for 3 years, they waltz in learn from us lads who have been forced to go through college and get our pieces of paper, now see if an English lad who not qualifications, no certificates to do with the job can get the same job and learn on the job, I think they'd struggle unlike the foreign workers i've encountered in the past. Don't get me wrong I get along quite well with the Poles I think some of them are quite a laugh, I've even gone out on the piss with them in the past, but are you telling me the point i've raised are wrong, and not a factor towards unemployment in the UK? N/B - Not blaming foreign workers, companies, I'm blaming the people who have let them get away with it, I also don't agree with the lad you were originally talking about, but I am commenting because you have bought foreign workers up.
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 Damn right it was deliberate yo! Usually, in a riot situation, British cops go in hard with batons and shiz (which is fair enough). But on this occasion I've seen many videos where police are standing by watching children and adults burn and loot. They were obviously ordered not to act. The end result will be normal people losing more of their rights and more of their money to pay for all of this. As usual, the elite are not affected negatively at all. This whole situation only benefits them. You give them too much credit El, this was surely a case of incompetence and an unwilling to come back from holiday?
MC Prussian Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 Yes, bring back pillories. I don't agree with everything that was being done and said in the Middle Ages, but stocks I could live with. They're a great tool to re-establish common sense along the population. And public humiliation is much cheaper and much more effective than chucking them looters into prison, feeding them for months and years.
BoneDog Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 The unwillingness of the government to use any kind of actual force just shows how much of a pansy light-touch country we have become. Our governments are always willing to use deadly force, usually abroad though. That will all change once we start begging / allowing them to start using deadly weapons on our shores. And then, the police will just be used to protect the elites assetts and way of life (like the old days when they were used as 'slave overseers'). We are already seeing many areas absent of any police presence and this will only get worse as us civilians become more powerless. And by that time, the police will just be here to harass us and fine the shit out of us and make the elite even richer and us poorer.
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