sphericalfox Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 Urgh. Right not sure if I saw the same interview or not but I did see a young white lad condoning the looting, and illegal things happening, yes he was a cockend. I'm not sure if it was the same interview because he wasn't blaming the Poles or unemployment or anything, however I find you're post not offending (because if I did i'd be just as bad as the do-gooder, PC twats of the world) but annoying and in my eyes wrong, and we've been through the arguement before, right, Poles/Foreign workers. I lost my job, I was made redundant, before I was made redundant I worked with Poles, They knew fuck all to do with the job - They didn't even have any kit (tools) when they first came, now I ain't gonna claim I personally taught them everything to do the job because I didn't, but I taught them bits, I showed them how to do certain jobs, anyway I was made redundant, out of work for 3 months, I always thought if they wanted to employ anyone within 6 months of making someone redundant they had to offer the job to you, well 3 months to the day after I was made redundant they employed a load of Poles, Poles I had help learn how to do the job, I went to Citizen Advice and asked and they said you had 3 months to appeal against redundancy. It took me a year and a half to get back in perminent work. Now don't get me wrong put me in the manager/company owners shoes, Would I employ someone who is paid £2 - 3 more an hour to do the same job as someone on £2 - 3 less? No, of course not, it's business, however the Poles can afford to work for £2 - 3 less because did I tell you the company I worked for provided house and transport for the Poles, and they didn't have any friends or family to go home to? Not the Poles fault, Not the company's fault, but they been allowed to get away with it and at the end of the day I went to college for 3 years, they waltz in learn from us lads who have been forced to go through college and get our pieces of paper, now see if an English lad who not qualifications, no certificates to do with the job can get the same job and learn on the job, I think they'd struggle unlike the foreign workers i've encountered in the past. Don't get me wrong I get along quite well with the Poles I think some of them are quite a laugh, I've even gone out on the piss with them in the past, but are you telling me the point i've raised are wrong, and not a factor towards unemployment in the UK? N/B - Not blaming foreign workers, companies, I'm blaming the people who have let them get away with it, I also don't agree with the lad you were originally talking about, but I am commenting because you have bought foreign workers up. Who do you think made the redundancy laws so lax? The last two governments. You won't find the same disrespect to employees in Europe. It has nothing to do with Foreigners. They didn't make you redundant, they are no different to you in looking for work.
21st Century Fox Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 Our governments are always willing to use deadly force, usually abroad though. That will all change once we start begging / allowing them to start using deadly weapons on our shores. And then, the police will just be used to protect the elites assetts and way of life (like the old days when they were used as 'slave overseers'). We are already seeing many areas absent of any police presence and this will only get worse as us civilians become more powerless. And by that time, the police will just be here to harass us and fine the shit out of us and make the elite even richer and us poorer. I've seen jokes about your conspiracies on here before but you make absolute sense in a worst case scenario kind of way. I concur, legal torture here we come!
Guest lcfc80 Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 As you said there is no conclusion yet, only compelling results and incredible trends, being that anti-social behaviour is instilled from an extremely early age. Ok, let me ask you this then, so why do they specifically get a buzz out of it and you or I wouldn't? Also can I ask how many friends of yours you're basing this opinion on? and your solution based on this? before I answer all that may I ask how long this study has been going on for, roughly if you dont want to be too specific and just a quick note, me and you would have definatly got the same buzz and rush of adrenaline, its the same rush that those posh students get and when they go on anti capatilist marches/protests and riots and they come from completely different backgrounds. half the time its have the nerve and bottle to actually do it because people dont half get caught up in the moment and get involved in things they 99 times out of 100 wouldn't i couldn't honestly give you an idea of the number accuratly, i'd probably guess close to between 300-500 different people in those sort of social and ecomonical environments. and as for the solution, i reckon half those people who have done these things and live with the couldnt give a **** attitude couldnt even tell you the solution so i cant solve societies problems
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 some of the ultra PC correct comments have made me feel sick on this thread. Blaming it all on the State, the Tories and where they live. Everybody has choices in life especially in this Country compared to other no matter what colour, race, or religion you are. My mum is from Stocking Farm which many will know is a shit hole and by some of the comments on here I would be within my rights to have kicked off in town last night because of my families poor upbringing. Instead of rioting though my whole family used hard work to better oursleves, not smashing things up hoping people will make excuses for us and give us everything for nothing. FFS im starting my own business, my cousins do well for themselves and my uncle is the MD of a huge company, but surely this is not possible because we are from a complete shit hole? If you want to get on in life you can, wherever you live and plenty of people prove this everyday. And alot of the excuses are pretty irrelevent when you look at many of the people arrested, I believe one was even a teacher. The simple reason people have done this is purely for the buzz, there is massive excitement for these people playing games with the old bill all night with the bonus of maybe getting something free. Thats all it is. they've done it for the buzz, not because they feel down trodden by the political elite. Go and listen to the interviews with the Manc lads that were all doing it instead of Ken Livingstone, you might get a better idea. They said they simply did it "because they could". If thes people are so oor and run down how do they have designer clothing and blackberry phones? the whole generation is shot it because the respect has gone because instead of being treated like criminals they are treated as victims. If it was such a 'social poverty' issue poor people from all over the gaff would be playing up, not just some scumbags, and thats what they are i've seen this mentioned numerous times elsewhere and without tryinng to turn it into a black/white issue manny have said if a mob of white football lads played up like the mob of mainly black lads at the start of the Hackney riot on monday the police would have steamed in cracking heads a lot quicker. I find it hard to pick any holes in those comments to be honest er look through my posts and you will see that I couldnt give any credit because he gave me no details whatsoever (and the study hasnt finished yet so it still proves nothing), for all we know he could of been talking of 10 people, and that is hardly going to give you an insight into the inner workings of moss side or the broadwater farm estate You seem obsessed with this quoted study, but appart from your life experience you've been able to provide little to back up your previous arguments and have been unwilling to concede that any part of your views could be a little to quick and mis-guided based on this exact situation. The story is continuing to develop, especially when you consider some of the people appearing in court - it seems it's not all of the usual suspects we thought it was, and we only have to go back a few months to remember that students were Rioting in London in the name of 'anti-capitalism'. I will accept my views can be challenged and where reasonable argument is put forward i'm happy to change my outlook - are you?
Matt Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 Who do you think made the redundancy laws so lax? The last two governments. You won't find the same disrespect to employees in Europe. It has nothing to do with Foreigners. They didn't make you redundant, they are no different to you in looking for work. Sorry trying not get angry here, have you read my post? Where have I said I blamed the Foreign workers? And who do you think I meant when I said 'Not blaming foreign workers, companies, I'm blaming the people who have let them get away with it, I also don't agree with the lad you were originally talking about, but I am commenting because you have bought foreign workers up.'
Trav Le Bleu Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 I blame the huge influx of Italian immigrants.
21st Century Fox Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 About 6-7 years so far. But we wouldn't do it because we'd fear the consequences. That fear was instilled in us from an early age. The opposite to them. Well if you have no solution and scientific studies potentially do I can't see why you're against them? If you seriously believe that social reform should be based on the opnions of the every man with zero evidence to back it up then we'd be in alot worse state right now.
sphericalfox Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 Sorry trying not get angry here, have you read my post? Where have I said I blamed the Foreign workers? And who do you think I meant when I said 'Not blaming foreign workers, companies, I'm blaming the people who have let them get away with it, I also don't agree with the lad you were originally talking about, but I am commenting because you have bought foreign workers up.' I wasn't referring just to you within the post, I should have made that clear. Don't smash my windows please, there's no need for anger. Just unicorns and rainbows
Guest lcfc80 Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 You seem obsessed with this quoted study, but appart from your life experience you've been able to provide little to back up your previous arguments and have been unwilling to concede that any part of your views could be a little to quick and mis-guided based on this exact situation. The story is continuing to develop, especially when you consider some of the people appearing in court - it seems it's not all of the usual suspects we thought it was, and we only have to go back a few months to remember that students were Rioting in London in the name of 'anti-capitalism'. I will accept my views can be challenged and where reasonable argument is put forward i'm happy to change my outlook - are you? put some reasonable arguements forward then, I have backed up everything I have said so the floor is yours, 2 quick examples though as i need to do some work you keep poking at the buzz point - load of mancs on the radio today who had been envolved in the looting, said they did it because they could, for the buzz and free stuff, echoes what i said 2nd one you have pulled is the responce to the black lads rioting compare to the white football lads playing up. Now go on youtube and watch the Millwall riot after the birmingham play off semi and compare that to the police actions of the hackney riot. I dont want to turning into a colour issue as its gone past that now but there is a perfect example for you
BoneDog Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 I see the Lybian and Iranian press are having a field day with this (good job the army wasn't sent in). Yes, that link Bilo put up by the Iranians was funny! If we start shooting protestors or rioters NATO will have to be called in to change the regime! Government and royal family better watch out
Trav Le Bleu Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 Yes, that link Bilo put up by the Iranians was funny! If we start shooting protestors or rioters NATO will have to be called in to change the regime! Government and royal family better watch out It's all part of Cam's plan to get a mandate from the people to bring about martial law, blame the Queen, (who will mysteriously disappear following riots in St James Park), viciously seize control of the armed forces, name himself Supreme Ubermarshell Eternal and form a totalitarian state called Camerlot. You heard it here first! Like I said earlier in the thread...
MikeyT Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 Leicester City Police robnixoncity: @slayton123 Some of those involved last night may have EDL affiliations however, there was no organised EDL presence. We will monitor this
21st Century Fox Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 put some reasonable arguements forward then, I have backed up everything I have said so the floor is yours, 2 quick examples though as i need to do some work you keep poking at the buzz point - load of mancs on the radio today who had been envolved in the looting, said they did it because they could, for the buzz and free stuff, echoes what i said 2nd one you have pulled is the responce to the black lads rioting compare to the white football lads playing up. Now go on youtube and watch the Millwall riot after the birmingham play off semi and compare that to the police actions of the hackney riot. I dont want to turning into a colour issue as its gone past that now but there is a perfect example for you You've back up NOTHING!!!! You've shown no evidence whatsoever other than your intensive understanding of you 300-500 friends!!! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/4575551.stm
Guest lcfc80 Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 But we wouldn't do it because we'd fear the consequences. That fear was instilled in us from an early age. The opposite to them.. so there is no difference between some masked up hoody from a flat in St Matthews then and the way Charlie Gilmour was brought up. you are allurring to say that people in social deprevated areas are stuck in a rut and will learn anti social behaviour from where they live and surroundings, but a millionaires rock stars son has basically done the same thing. And I have never said im against scientific studies, i just dont think this one will give the answers to everything you want
Webbo Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 Can't somebody give me a summary of this argument between 21st Century Fox and lcfc80, I can't follow it.
21st Century Fox Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 Can't somebody give me a summary of this argument between 21st Century Fox and lcfc80, I can't follow it. Scientific Study vs His Friends.
Webbo Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 Scientific Study vs His Friends. Scientific study of what?
One Arm Babba Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 You've back up NOTHING!!!! You've shown no evidence whatsoever other than your intensive understanding of you 300-500 friends!!! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/4575551.stm I've got five hundred... and... one friends. Ah haaaa. Sorry it reminded me of:
BoneDog Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 David Icke talks shite........and he played in goal for the Chavs! I agree 80% of his info is bullshine (or at least unprovable), but 10-20% of it is truth and can be backed up. The guy is probably an elite shill anyway, same with all the other famous folk who talk about conspiracies. Shill's are everywhere. Subhuman scum the lot of them.
sphericalfox Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 Can't somebody give me a summary of this argument between 21st Century Fox and lcfc80, I can't follow it. LCFC80 is an expert in Sociology as he has 600 or so close friends crossing every single possible ethnic/socio-class including criminals. Therefore he has greater expertise in disparaging an award winning study put in front of Harvard about the causes of bad behaviour. lcfc80 > 21st Century
Guest lcfc80 Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 You've back up NOTHING!!!! You've shown no evidence whatsoever other than your intensive understanding of you 300-500 friends!!! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/4575551.stm I've backed up everything with reasons and an explanation of my reasons. All you have done is bang on about a 6 year study by you sister that has either now studied kids that are aged 6 and not committing anti social behaviour or its studying kids that are 14,15,16 and has missed the first and arguably the most important years of their learning lives, so as this study show absolutly **** all I'll ask you where you get any inside knowledge to why these problems have occurred and the solution, what examples you have of why these people have done such things
BoneDog Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 It's only an extra 1-2 percent of our current prison population - put two to a room, hire a prison boat, build a prison, etc... We're talking about a leading government here - there are options and they should use them. Another idea would be to take all of the tv's, table tennis tables, gyms etc. out of prisons and free up a bit of space. When my brother was in nick years ago he loved it. Watching the World Cup and Big Brother in his cell and shit whilst eating Kit-Kats and smoking draw!
I am Rod Hull Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 I find it quite amusing to see it blamed on unemployment... They don`t want to work... They`re happy getting benefits and mugging people for phones... Happy days...
BoneDog Posted 10 August 2011 Posted 10 August 2011 Repossessing houses/cars/TVs/Playstations/drug money from these reprobates and selling them on/using the cash. That and doing away from the woefully flawed benefits system where there are billions of pounds wasted every year. Nah, more likely by putting up your taxes and trying harder to catch you driving 3mph over the limit or not using a seatbelt.
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