ian the fox Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 Anyone notice how slow and unfit Wellens & Abi appeared as Reading danced around them with ease ? Last years problems are still with us chaps ! [ ]Midfielders that cant either protect the back 4 or supply the front men with any meaningful service !!!!!!!!! THATS THE JOB OF MIDFIELD !!!! Wellens & Abi are simply second rate , too slow , lacking ideas & not good enough ................ We will not be promoted with these two in the side ,
Thracian Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 Anyone notice how slow and unfit Wellens & Abi appeared as Reading danced around them with ease ? Last years problems are still with us chaps ! [ ]Midfielders that cant either protect the back 4 or supply the front men with any meaningful service !!!!!!!!! THATS THE JOB OF MIDFIELD !!!! Wellens & Abi are simply second rate , too slow , lacking ideas & not good enough ................ We will not be promoted with these two in the side , Don't expect any support for that but you're probably right.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 In Abe's defence he'd flown all the way round the world and played international football in the last few days. Wellens was just out of sorts.
Webbo Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 In Abe's defence he'd flown all the way round the world and played international football in the last few days. Makes me wonder if the owners decided he should play.
MGLCFC Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 Abe should never have played only returning from Japan on Friday - but to say he is second rate is just silly. He's a good player who will play his part in a successful season. Didn't see Wellens as being unfit, just frustrated at our display.
Thracian Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 In Abe's defence he'd flown all the way round the world and played international football in the last few days. Is that an endorsement of Eriksson's management? The problem with both Abe and Wellens is they have ability. Abe to run and chase all day at a decent pace. Wellens to blend his "attitude" on a good day with the ability to pick out a goal-making pass. But against that Abe neither doesn't score or make goals nor is he the greatest when it comes to passing or positioning. Wellens doesn't often shoot let alone score and that's a major problem for an attacking midfielder. He doesn't have the pace or desire to get into the box consistently, often takes too many touches on the ball and is is prone to being caught in possession in places where it could get us in trouble. He also offers no aerial ability, is not a good mover off the ball Another thing I've never referred to before is that he often ignores passing to King and goes for something more complicated instead, presumably because, with King being close by, it would often mean a give and go while he would rather just give a longer pass and not have to go. He remains me of Gareth Williams in that way.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 Is that an endorsement of Eriksson's management? The problem with both Abe and Wellens is they have ability. Abe to run and chase all day at a decent pace. Wellens to blend his "attitude" on a good day with the ability to pick out a goal-making pass. But against that Abe neither doesn't score or make goals nor is he the greatest when it comes to passing or positioning. Wellens doesn't often shoot let alone score and that's a major problem for an attacking midfielder. He doesn't have the pace or desire to get into the box consistently, often takes too many touches on the ball and is is prone to being caught in possession in places where it could get us in trouble. He also offers no aerial ability, is not a good mover off the ball Another thing I've never referred to before is that he often ignores passing to King and goes for something more complicated instead, presumably because, with King being close by, it would often mean a give and go while he would rather just give a longer pass and not have to go. He remains me of Gareth Williams in that way. Head. ass. remove. And in what way was it an endorsement? The OP asked if they were unfit and I gave a factual reason that had a good probabilty as to why Abe might have been a bit out of sorts. Myself, I don't fly off at the hinges with completely unrealistic interpetations of other people's comments just so I can be contrary.
marbelladave Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 Is that an endorsement of Eriksson's management? The problem with both Abe and Wellens is they have ability. Abe to run and chase all day at a decent pace. Wellens to blend his "attitude" on a good day with the ability to pick out a goal-making pass. But against that Abe neither doesn't score or make goals nor is he the greatest when it comes to passing or positioning. Wellens doesn't often shoot let alone score and that's a major problem for an attacking midfielder. He doesn't have the pace or desire to get into the box consistently, often takes too many touches on the ball and is is prone to being caught in possession in places where it could get us in trouble. He also offers no aerial ability, is not a good mover off the ball Another thing I've never referred to before is that he often ignores passing to King and goes for something more complicated instead, presumably because, with King being close by, it would often mean a give and go while he would rather just give a longer pass and not have to go. He remains me of Gareth Williams in that way. I read the highlighted paragraph and thought you had taken leave if your senses, until I read the rest of the post anyway...... Mind you, I think Wellens is a 'flat track bully', both he and his "attitude" disappear against decent opposition, and as for goal making passes, I really don't recall too many of those. You are much too kind to him, I think that you may be influenced by all the positive comments he gets on this forum.... You know he really is pants, just come out and say it!.....
Happy Fox Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 Well imo Wellens will not be in the team, when Johnson is fully fit
ta-fc Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 Fernandes - defensive mid Abe - defensive mid Danns - defensive mid Wellens - sits too deep All 4 starting together = Reading Saturday.
Babylon Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 Fernandes - defensive mid Abe - defensive mid Danns - defensive mid Wellens - sits too deep All 4 starting together = Reading Saturday. Danns isn't really a DM... he scored 10+ last year.
ta-fc Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 Danns isn't really a DM... he scored 10+ last year. By his own admittance on Twitter he was brought in to sit infront of the back 4...
Babylon Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 By his own admittance on Twitter he was brought in to sit infront of the back 4... That's not really what he was at Palace, and it's not how he's played here so far. So until he actually plays in that position I'm not sure what said tweet proves.
cc_star Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 Wellens is the only one capable of running the show, his vision & passing ability whether simple or long is miles ahead of anyone else in the squad. He does however not always have great games, I put this down to the fact he's having to go win the ball himself & whilst he should do a bit of it, he should be the beneficiary of a Lee Bowyer type midfielder bossing the opposition & laying it off to Wellens to pull the strings with the passing. Wellens is also the only City player to talk to, guide & gee up others, the fact he's not captain is a travesty Wellens would be the last person I'll question, especially when Danns is playing who I'm yet to see the point of whatsoever, especially as his arrival has displaced either King (sadly our biggest goal threat) or Gally who can actually pull some strings when given a game (not a few mins as sub) Abe is supposed to be a defensive player to break up opposition attacks, but he's the most lightweight and one of the most ineffective defensive midfielders I've seen. He does have good games, but rarely imposes himself on the opposition. Fernandes should play there and Danns should have to prove himself to worthy be in the starting line-up above King/Gally/whoever just because Sven happened to sign him & he always plays his own men regardless. With regards to fitness, I'd say its because our passing player, Wellens is having to do the tackling bossman job as well as the passing game, & Abe has been the other side of the world, so picking him in our mismatched, unbalanced & seemingly uninformed midfield looks strange. 8 central midfielders & only one out-of-favour wideman in Dyer - you try making a balanced midfield, with players who compliment each other whilst threatening the opposition out of that lot
marbelladave Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 Fernandes - defensive mid Abe - defensive mid Danns - Hopelessly out of position Wellens - sits too deep All 4 starting together = Reading Saturday. Fixed it for you...
l444ry Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 On the continent many sides employ two holding midfield players.
Guest Mee-9 Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 Abe was right to come off yesterday, He was woeful in that first half. Gave the ball away a number of times to Reading shirts, which then increased the pressure we had to withstand. Wellens I disagree with, yesterday he was slightly off par, but we know he is possibly the most creative player we have. We know this by the sheer amount of assists he got last season.
SMX11 Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 The only problem I have with this is that @ was used instead of &
Petchy Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 That's not really what he was at Palace, and it's not how he's played here so far. So until he actually plays in that position I'm not sure what said tweet proves. But he isn't a right winger either. So why's he playing there?
Joethemightyone Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 Abe and Fernandes should not be in the same team! Especially at home. They were standing next to eachother all game. Not enough movement on the pitch!!
sphericalfox Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 But he isn't a right winger either. So why's he playing there? Danns has played that position on many occasions at Palace. It's not his strength, but he's more than capable. It doesn't mean that we don't need a proper right winger.
ian the fox Posted 14 August 2011 Author Posted 14 August 2011 Thanks for all the replies , i aint moaning , just as I saw the game , Also had our defence not been improved we would have been 0-3 by halftime , Lasy year I believe we would have reached the play-offs had we had a stronger midfield King aside .....the Wellens , Abi, Oakley trio were one of the poorest in the division , especially away from home ... when many a game was over by half-time ********** Hoping for a stronger 3 man midfield with Gallagher ( the most skilled player at the club ) playing behind a front pair of Nugent & Bill Maynard /Waghorn ........... Cmon Sven sort it out
Fox92 Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 Wellens has ability, he isn't a poor player, because he is technically gifted and he is our only creative player. But he does lack pace anyway and nothing will chance about that. Abe looked off of his usually good game. Flying to play for Japan could have affected this. He gave the ball away lots of times yesterday. King is our main goal threat, it has to be said. But, he is a goal threat and thats about it. He also lacks pace, and did anyone notice when he did come on how he hardly went forward again. Its either sideways or backwards with him. Untill we sign a goalscorer I think King has to start though, but not at the expense of Wellens. I am not sure if Abe/Fernandes should be in at home because we are set up for an away game at home. I don't think Gallagher is the most skillfull player at the club either. It does my head in because he doesn't challenge, wheres the passion!? He also is slow and cannot beat players. And his set pieces (corners mainly) flatter to deceive. The trouble is we have to many central midfielders and I seem to think that Sven doesn't know what formation to play to fit them all in.
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