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Sven Out....

By @mrtonycox, in Leicester City Forum

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marbelladave

marbelladave

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The reality is that Sven is not and never has been a hands on coach, his stategy, such as it is, is to buy the best players and let them and the coaching staff get on with it.

He is great at the big picture, bringing in players and doing the PR / media thing, he should concentrare in that.

I said last season that what we really needed was a first team coach, a proper number two and that is even more self evident now. Faz is really a fitness coach and Stowell, well I'm not sure what he is other than a failed goalkeeping coach.

This for me is the number one priority, someone good enough and with enough authority to take complete charge of matchday affairs, picking the team (in consultation with Sven), preparing and setting us up and sending us out with the right gameplan.

Sven remains in overall control of football matters but he needs to allow the new man to run the team.

Any ideas?

cc_star

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There's a lot of strange decisions by Sven, the next 2 games will probably set the tone for the early part of the season, win them both and we'll be right up near the top with nothing to worry about, lose them both and we're getting ever nearer that period in the season where Sousa was sacked & Sven was brought in ahead of a team-building international fortnight long break, which Sven himself said was instrumental in turning things around.

Strange decisions are strange

Demotivating Mills by dropping him after a clanger, this means the pressure will be unbearable when he next runs out

Same for SSL, who'll probably be dreading a 1st 11 call-up

Still, chopping & changing the backline is something we're used to under Sven's reign, of course some of it is forced (from Curtis Davies not coming back right up to Peltier's injury etc) but there's a lot of changes needlessly to. All successful teams have a settled backline to build from. You'd think a manager of Sven's experience would know that

As to what's going on with a change of style, formations, tactics, pre-match preperations, mid-week coaching & fitness is anyone's guess. A win will right everything, but a couple of defeats and I can't see a way back

marbelladave

marbelladave

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You and Thracian... just so we can prove once and for all there is more to it than talking a good game.

:whistle:

No need to bother Thrac.......I'll do it on my own...........:thumbup:

But back here on earth, there is a world of difference between -

a) Being able to see what is going wrong.

b) Having some reasonable ideas how to fix it.

c) Getting professional footballer to implement those ideas effectively.

I'm fairly comfortable with a), so-so about b) and freely admit I have not the faintest idea about C).......:P

Jax Demon

Jax Demon

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What a joke of a thread.

Really give the players time to gel and get on with what they do best, Sven knows what he's doing hence why he's in charge and we are not.

Can't believe a few bad results and people turn so negative too quickly. Not everything comes on a silver plate.

Basil Brush

Basil Brush

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What a joke of a thread.

Really give the players time to gel and get on with what they do best, Sven knows what he's doing hence why he's in charge and we are not.

Can't believe a few bad results and people turn so negative too quickly. Not everything comes on a silver plate.

THIS

LCFC_FAN_1995

LCFC_FAN_1995

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What a joke of a thread.

Really give the players time to gel and get on with what they do best, Sven knows what he's doing hence why he's in charge and we are not.

Can't believe a few bad results and people turn so negative too quickly. Not everything comes on a silver plate.

Agree! People who are doing these threads thing we will win every game, when it won't because this league is harder than last season!

marbelladave

marbelladave

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Agree! People who are doing these threads thing we will win every game, when it won't because this league is harder than last season!

Not at all.......:frusty:

We merely expect our team to play like they are trying to win every game!!

Big difference......:thumbup:

Guest ttfn

Guest ttfn

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This thread is absolutely bonkers.

Sven is one of the greatest managers in the history of the game. This is borne out by stone-cold facts. Sure, he hasn't won anything for 10 years, but who has he managed?

England - as another of history's greatest, Fabio Capello, has proven, this is anything but an easy job.

Manchester City - adored by fans and players alike, took City to their highest finish in ages.

Mexico - Utter disaster.

Ivory Coast - Were in the group of death at the World Cup, lost only to Brazil, and that was in a game in which I felt they were quite unlucky.

Just think of the absolute pile of shit he took over when he got here. People must have short memories. Sousa's players were not only as pathetic going forward as Eriksson's current crop have been for the past 3 games, they could not defend for shit. Last season's performances under Sven bear out that he does know how to attack - he just needs to establish his best team first. By contrast, Sousa had a history of producing teams incapable of scoring and the players looked unfit from day 1.

Don't get me wrong, I am disappointed at the start we have made. In fact, I'm a bit embarrassed given all the pre-season hype. But we are about 7% of the way through the season.

Chill the fuck out.

Blinking Blue Owl

Blinking Blue Owl

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Your loyalty is admirable but when you just know in your GUT what you have just witnessed is a no go situation you have to be brave enough to come out and say it , by that i mean the last two home matches have physically opened our eyes , and you know this team is going nowhere then YOU the supporters have to stop making excuses and admit we need change ie manager . Can you imagine if Taylor had been manager in the web site days ? Sven was a shooting star way back when , unfortunately we have been at his fizzle out . And do you think he cares a damn about LCFC ? the word is CARPETBAGGER .

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This thread is absolutely bonkers.

Sven is one of the greatest managers in the history of the game. This is borne out by stone-cold facts. Sure, he hasn't won anything for 10 years, but who has he managed?

England - as another of history's greatest, Fabio Capello, has proven, this is anything but an easy job.

Manchester City - adored by fans and players alike, took City to their highest finish in ages.

Mexico - Utter disaster.

Ivory Coast - Were in the group of death at the World Cup, lost only to Brazil, and that was in a game in which I felt they were quite unlucky.

Just think of the absolute pile of shit he took over when he got here. People must have short memories. Sousa's players were not only as pathetic going forward as Eriksson's current crop have been for the past 3 games, they could not defend for shit. Last season's performances under Sven bear out that he does know how to attack - he just needs to establish his best team first. By contrast, Sousa had a history of producing teams incapable of scoring and the players looked unfit from day 1.

Don't get me wrong, I am disappointed at the start we have made. In fact, I'm a bit embarrassed given all the pre-season hype. But we are about 7% of the way through the season.

Chill the fuck out.

Sven has bought success where ever he's had it (Lazio alone he spent nearly £300m, probably equiv of more than double that in today's transfer rates), and like you say it was all a long time ago anyway, a completely different era to today's game, players like Brian McClair etc were around.

He's lead by money, remember the whole fake sheik thing catching him on film agreeing to leave England because he though Arab moneymen were buying Villa, likewise he went ManCity because of the billionaire thai ex-president who unfortunately had his assets frozen, meaning after the initial spending he couldn't spend no more, Notts county, again he was following the path of rich owners until he ended up with us... He is nothing without a chequebook

I wouldn't get too carried away about him being one of the greatest managers ever, take away any owners chequebook and see how good he is then.

Yes were were a pile of shit when he took over last season as Sousa had demolished everything we had built under Pearson, but now he's bought in all his own men and has had the full close season (which people were saying was the reason we failed to amass enough points to get in the playoffs last year (remember we were above Reading for some time) we seem to have gone full circle.

Players are going out on the pitch in the wrong positions in a series of formations which look terrible, they can't pass, they can't perform individually and they're dreadful as a team, not only doesn't he know how he wants to play, but he doesn't know who he wants to play and even if he did he looks incapable at the moment of getting players to play

A win against Forest will make us forget everything bad, the Forest fans I speak to say they are dreadful & that McLaren will probably ruin them, so I fear a win will be papering over the cracks, but if we get one it will hopefully take the pressure off and allow us to start playing better

Yes it's early in the season so all is far from lost, should he be out? NO, but the next 2 games will set the tone and he'll probably be sacked before the international break should he fail to halt this decline of his making

Corky

Corky

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How long do you give them to gel though?

We could find ourselves well off the pace, even early on, which we can ill afford.

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Sven has bought success where ever he's had it (Lazio alone he spent nearly £300m, probably equiv of more than double that in today's transfer rates), and like you say it was all a long time ago anyway, a completely different era to today's game, players like Brian McClair etc were around.

He's lead by money, remember the whole fake sheik thing catching him on film agreeing to leave England because he though Arab moneymen were buying Villa, likewise he went ManCity because of the billionaire thai ex-president who unfortunately had his assets frozen, meaning after the initial spending he couldn't spend no more, Notts county, again he was following the path of rich owners until he ended up with us... He is nothing without a chequebook

I wouldn't get too carried away about him being one of the greatest managers ever, take away any owners chequebook and see how good he is then.

Yes were were a pile of shit when he took over last season as Sousa had demolished everything we had built under Pearson, but now he's bought in all his own men and has had the full close season (which people were saying was the reason we failed to amass enough points to get in the playoffs last year (remember we were above Reading for some time) we seem to have gone full circle.

Players are going out on the pitch in the wrong positions in a series of formations which look terrible, they can't pass, they can't perform individually and they're dreadful as a team, not only doesn't he know how he wants to play, but he doesn't know who he wants to play and even if he did he looks incapable at the moment of getting players to play

A win against Forest will make us forget everything bad, the Forest fans I speak to say they are dreadful & that McLaren will probably ruin them, so I fear a win will be papering over the cracks, but if we get one it will hopefully take the pressure off and allow us to start playing better

Yes it's early in the season so all is far from lost, should he be out? NO, but the next 2 games will set the tone and he'll probably be sacked before the international break should he fail to halt this decline of his making

I appreciate the points you're making, but I've got to take issue with most of them.

I'll start with a minor one. Steve McClaren is not a bad manager. He's been in charge of them for 3 games - 1 of which was drawn, 1 of which was won narrowly and 1 of which was lost. By this time under Sousa, City had conceded 6.

You start by saying that Eriksson has bought success everywhere he goes. He won the Uefa Cup with Gothenburg. Now, my knowledge of the budgets of European football clubs of the early 1980s isn't much to go on, but I'll bet you that they had an extremely insignificant budget compared with their peers at the time. He earned the right to get a chance to manage with the money.

Then, having been given the money, he succeeded virtually everywhere he went for the next 20 years, managing in Italy at a time when it was the strongest league in Europe and probably the world. It's one thing being given the money, it's another thing spending it. If anything, Eriksson is the perfect manager to manage a club with loads of money. He has a proven track record of spending a lot of cash wisely. You might say he "bought" the title, but history is littered with examples of clubs attempting to buy success and failing, at least in the short-term. Eriksson has succeeded wherever he's gone.

You say, "take away the chequebook and see where he is then". Well, you don't have to. It's completely irrelevant. He has had the chequebook because he's earned it. He's a proven success.

Let's see where we are after 9 games. I gave up on Sousa after 8 (the thrashing at Pompey), and he'd already made a far more negative impression 3 games in than Eriksson has, even before considering the goodwill Sven built up last year.

As long as we've got 10 points by that stage, we'll be in a reasonable position to kick on. If not, I'd still back him for the reasons above but I'd understand people's concerns a lot more.

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