cc_star Posted 10 September 2011 Posted 10 September 2011 Although there's lots of disagreement over various things one thing everyone seems to agree on is that our defence isn't performing well enough. Our defenders have all done well for.other clubs but for a long, long time now no matter how talented the players or there various strengths we've always conceded goals and usually at least 2. There is ZERO chance of top2 whilst conceeding so many. Sven has also made many personnel changes at the back and the situation not only hasn't improved but seems to be worse than ever, Pantsil constantly loses the ball or strangely falls at the vital moment, Konchesky & Mills are hoof-ball specialists, this term that leaves just one player All these formations have leaked goals, all of them are talented players in their own right, but lets see if any of these pairings that have conceded goals have anything in common Bamba+Hobbs Bamba+Vitor Bamba+Mee Bamba+Bruma Bamba+Mills Bamba+SSL Can you spot the common denominator Bamba is a talented footballer, but facts speak for themselves he's at the heart of every leaky defence we've had since Sven signed him (yes we had a leaky defence before then, but was that down to Sousa's influence & pre-season which spread into Sven's early reign?) Some indifferent performances from Mills & a poor one from SSL leaves the finger pointing at them, just like it did Hobbs, Mee (at times) and Bruma but what if they're not too shabby and it's been Bamba causing them all the problems yes, we can point fingers at the midfield being particularly weak and that is certainly part of the problem, but for all Bamba's comfort on the ball is his poor decision making & clueless positioning too much of a cross for his partner to bare? Is it worth a look at another pairing, can't do any harm surely?
Heart-Shaped Fox Posted 10 September 2011 Posted 10 September 2011 Still havent replaced Wayne Brown. Was he most underrated player we had and we didnt even realise it. Have no leadership or organiser that the back.
Kenners Posted 10 September 2011 Posted 10 September 2011 West Ham have conceded the same amount as us in the league and everybody thinks their going to romp the league. Just throwing it out there for discussion.
Happy Fox Posted 10 September 2011 Posted 10 September 2011 West Ham have conceded the same amount as us in the league and everybody thinks their going to romp the league. Just throwing it out there for discussion. Yes but they are winning games at the moment, and playing consistently better we are not.
sdb Posted 10 September 2011 Posted 10 September 2011 We were awful at the back with any combination not involving Bamba at the tail end of last season when we shipped goals too. Vitor, Mee, Bruma...all decent individual players but the back 4 as a whole has looked crap for 6 months (make that 12/13).
BNET Posted 10 September 2011 Posted 10 September 2011 The midfield have been the biggest problem for a few years, which impacts on the back four.
Libertine Dream Posted 10 September 2011 Posted 10 September 2011 West Ham have conceded the same amount as us in the league and everybody thinks their going to romp the league. Just throwing it out there for discussion. They've got goals in the team! We haven't! They've got amazing strength in depth! We haven't!
Bilbo Posted 10 September 2011 Posted 10 September 2011 They've got goals in the team! We haven't! They've got amazing strength in depth! We haven't! That's the point he's trying to make, that maybe it isn't the defence that is the main/only problem we have in the team.
ithuriel Posted 10 September 2011 Posted 10 September 2011 Bamba is a good player and plays the ball well, Mills currently hoofs it or heads it far too much and i have not really seen SSL to be able to have a decent opinion on him. Maybe the fact that opposing teams can get at our left and right backs with ease means the midfield is not doing the job and the defence is under too much pressure. Perhaps we need to return to the O'niell days of three centre halves, three in midfield with two wing backs supporting two strikers SSL and Mills with Bamba sitting in front of them
Langston Posted 10 September 2011 Posted 10 September 2011 Sol Bamba is a defensive rock, you lot are too quick to forget the days of Patrick Gerrbrand and Nikos Dabizas. Sol Bamba and Matt Mills will forge a great partnership.
Guest Col city fan Posted 10 September 2011 Posted 10 September 2011 Although there's lots of disagreement over various things one thing everyone seems to agree on is that our defence isn't performing well enough. Our defenders have all done well for.other clubs but for a long, long time now no matter how talented the players or there various strengths we've always conceded goals and usually at least 2. There is ZERO chance of top2 whilst conceeding so many. Sven has also made many personnel changes at the back and the situation not only hasn't improved but seems to be worse than ever, Pantsil constantly loses the ball or strangely falls at the vital moment, Konchesky & Mills are hoof-ball specialists, this term that leaves just one player All these formations have leaked goals, all of them are talented players in their own right, but lets see if any of these pairings that have conceded goals have anything in common Bamba+Hobbs Bamba+Vitor Bamba+Mee Bamba+Bruma Bamba+Mills Bamba+SSL Can you spot the common denominator Bamba is a talented footballer, but facts speak for themselves he's at the heart of every leaky defence we've had since Sven signed him (yes we had a leaky defence before then, but was that down to Sousa's influence & pre-season which spread into Sven's early reign?) Some indifferent performances from Mills & a poor one from SSL leaves the finger pointing at them, just like it did Hobbs, Mee (at times) and Bruma but what if they're not too shabby and it's been Bamba causing them all the problems yes, we can point fingers at the midfield being particularly weak and that is certainly part of the problem, but for all Bamba's comfort on the ball is his poor decision making & clueless positioning too much of a cross for his partner to bare? Is it worth a look at another pairing, can't do any harm surely? Dont agree....................its not the defence in isolation. No football team plays in isolation. Have you ever played football as a defender where you felt so much more comfortable and confident because you knew the players in front of you would keep the ball, create chances, run games? The reason why our defence looks shaky is because the team looks shaky... how many times were our back four put under pressure today because we couldnt keep the ball AS A TEAM? Law of averages dictates that if the opposition has more possession you will be placed under more pressure. The shakiness of the back four simply reflects the lack of confidence, formation and leadership in the team
cc_star Posted 10 September 2011 Author Posted 10 September 2011 Dont agree....................its not the defence in isolation. No football team plays in isolation. Have you ever played football as a defender where you felt so much more comfortable and confident because you knew the players in front of you would keep the ball, create chances, run games? The reason why our defence looks shaky is because the team looks shaky... how many times were our back four put under pressure today because we couldnt keep the ball AS A TEAM? Law of averages dictates that if the opposition has more possession you will be placed under more pressure. The shakiness of the back four simply reflects the lack of confidence, formation and leadership in the team Yes, we're not great AS A TEAM but I don't agree with all of that either, we still conceded when we went on 7 or 8 match winning run last Feb and we were playing with tons of confidence until we got found out at halftime Derby away everything else you wrote about is a sign of the coaching & management team (which is also a common denominator)
Bugg Posted 10 September 2011 Posted 10 September 2011 Yes but they are winning games at the moment, and playing consistently better we are not. You've just missed the point completely
broughtonblue Posted 10 September 2011 Posted 10 September 2011 Although there's lots of disagreement over various things one thing everyone seems to agree on is that our defence isn't performing well enough. Our defenders have all done well for.other clubs but for a long, long time now no matter how talented the players or there various strengths we've always conceded goals and usually at least 2. There is ZERO chance of top2 whilst conceeding so many. Sven has also made many personnel changes at the back and the situation not only hasn't improved but seems to be worse than ever, Pantsil constantly loses the ball or strangely falls at the vital moment, Konchesky & Mills are hoof-ball specialists, this term that leaves just one player All these formations have leaked goals, all of them are talented players in their own right, but lets see if any of these pairings that have conceded goals have anything in common Bamba+Hobbs Bamba+Vitor Bamba+Mee Bamba+Bruma Bamba+Mills Bamba+SSL Can you spot the common denominator Bamba is a talented footballer, but facts speak for themselves he's at the heart of every leaky defence we've had since Sven signed him (yes we had a leaky defence before then, but was that down to Sousa's influence & pre-season which spread into Sven's early reign?) Some indifferent performances from Mills & a poor one from SSL leaves the finger pointing at them, just like it did Hobbs, Mee (at times) and Bruma but what if they're not too shabby and it's been Bamba causing them all the problems yes, we can point fingers at the midfield being particularly weak and that is certainly part of the problem, but for all Bamba's comfort on the ball is his poor decision making & clueless positioning too much of a cross for his partner to bare? Is it worth a look at another pairing, can't do any harm surely? Got to agree, I've said many times he is a worry, I've also said I would like to see mills and st ledger given a few games together to see how they perform but been shouted down on here. I look forward to the verbal attacks again!
Guest Col city fan Posted 10 September 2011 Posted 10 September 2011 Yes, we're not great AS A TEAM but I don't agree with all of that either, we still conceded when we went on 7 or 8 match winning run last Feb and we were playing with tons of confidence until we got found out at halftime Derby away everything else you wrote about is a sign of the coaching & management team (which is also a common denominator) I'm simply suggesting that your OP, which attempts to lay fault for our defence frailties squarely at the feet of Sol Bamba, is ridiculously simplistic You think that Matt Mills has been any better than Bamba since the season began? We dont defend well enough collectively - thats the problem. IMO a Bamba/Mills partnership is more than good enough at this level, in a team that is defending with confidence and control. Who will you have a go at next? Wellens for not scoring enough goals? Look at the bigger picture
Babylon Posted 10 September 2011 Posted 10 September 2011 I'd just like a settled defence for a dozen or so games, then they've all have had time to settle and get used to playing with each other, so perhaps it'll be easier to start the finger pointing then. Sven needs to decide on his best team asap and stick to it for a while.
Babylon Posted 10 September 2011 Posted 10 September 2011 Bamba+Hobbs Bamba+Vitor Bamba+Mee Bamba+Bruma Bamba+Mills Bamba+SSL Can you spot the common denominator Yes, we haven't had a pairing that play week in week out together since Pearson was here.
sg6 Posted 10 September 2011 Posted 10 September 2011 Bamba has been the most consistently good defender this season. Apart from Scmeichal, Bamba was the only other real stand out performer today, he was solid and I dont know how anyone could take him out of our team. Mills is getting better game by game and i have faith in them both to provide a solid partnership
ivarti Posted 10 September 2011 Posted 10 September 2011 Wayne Brown is available, he is a free agent and has not yet found a new club, so why not give him a call Sven ! But he might not be welcomed back after being released by the club for non footballing reasons
dannythefox Posted 10 September 2011 Posted 10 September 2011 Bamba has been the most consistently good defender this season. Apart from Scmeichal, Bamba was the only other real stand out performer today, he was solid and I dont know how anyone could take him out of our team. Mills is getting better game by game and i have faith in them both to provide a solid partnership Agree apart from. He's not doing well at all he cost 5m he's quality has yet to be shown.
Father Ted Posted 10 September 2011 Posted 10 September 2011 I said this earlier and got laughed at. Awful positioning, awful marker and always gets dominated by big, strong players for example grant holt and jay bothroyd. He also lacks discipline to play at centre back and can leave big gaps at the back at times. Now the transfer windows closed he will begin to play crap again, same old sol sol bamba.
cc_star Posted 10 September 2011 Author Posted 10 September 2011 I'm simply suggesting that your OP, which attempts to lay fault for our defence frailties squarely at the feet of Sol Bamba, is ridiculously simplistic You think that Matt Mills has been any better than Bamba since the season began? We dont defend well enough collectively - thats the problem. IMO a Bamba/Mills partnership is more than good enough at this level, in a team that is defending with confidence and control. Who will you have a go at next? Wellens for not scoring enough goals? Look at the bigger picture You've missed the point spectacularly, like really, really spectacularly your points about the defence are valid, to which my point is... what's the common denominator in all these problems & is it time to see if there's someone better placed to form a partnership
Guest Col city fan Posted 10 September 2011 Posted 10 September 2011 You've missed the point spectacularly, like really, really spectacularly your points about the defence are valid, to which my point is... what's the common denominator in all these problems & is it time to see if there's someone better placed to form a partnership I haven't missed your point, it's just shite We don't defend well enough collectively... As a team? Therefore this is not about Bamba, it's about Leicester City not being able to defend very well.. My first point of call would be the defensive coach and the system rather than any individual players Therefore get off Bambas back and onto Fazackerly's Is that spectacularly clear enough for you?
Corky Posted 10 September 2011 Posted 10 September 2011 How come Bamba looks mostly in control of situations whereas both Mills and Pantsil do not? Bamba alone is not the reason we are conceding goals.
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