boring_jester Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 We should let him take the free kicks. might impress us. watch his you tube videos. there are some amazing goals
blueharmie Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 personally i think hes crap. he is a lower team championship player at best. well never help in taking us out of this division. Winds me up his sideways and backwards passing. he is so negative, someone needs to tell the guy to attack.
STEVIE B Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 Our midfield are all very similar,not too much pace and not that robust,therefore Yuki is no better or worse than Wellens,King,Fernandes etc etc. Most seem to average 6 or 7 out of 10 most games IMO.
fox in the sox Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 I've never rated him at all. I think he gets away with being average because he looks like he is trying his best. Eleven players trying their best will only get you so far - you need that bit extra to get to the Premier. I can't agree that he is as good as Wellens/King. Wellens's passing much superior. King's goal scoring much superior. I would describe these 2 as top half Championship players and Abe as bottom half. Also you can see King gradually improving as the seasons go by.
Schlupp Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 Overrated? When does anyone ever say he's any good. If anything he's hugely underrated. This,He's our most underrated player in the sqaud just under Moussa.
Finnegan Posted 31 October 2011 Posted 31 October 2011 I don't see him as being so set in the holding role. He gets forward on occasions but just doesn't seem to relish it. But we should perhaps agree to disagree. I've no desire to slate Abe. Like one or two more, he might not be brilliant, but he does give his all and I can respect that. I'm just a bit bemused that your primary criticism of a defensive player is that he doesn't "relish" getting forward enough. That's not what he's there to do; moreover, were he rampaging forward then he'd be leaving a gap and neglecting a defensive duty he's there to do, opening us up to breaks and counter attacks that his primary strength is intercepting. If you have a criticism, it should be that we don't have a manager who wants to deploy four attacking midfielders (or, hell Tony, why not just go out and desire six strikers - or seven, or eight!) - or else what's next? Kasper at fault for not making enough forward runs?
The Doctor Posted 31 October 2011 Posted 31 October 2011 I get the feeling finners is pissing into a hurricane here trying to convince Thracian that not every player needs to be flying forward.
MattyFromLE Posted 31 October 2011 Posted 31 October 2011 Can't believe how fickle some of you guys are.
cc_star Posted 31 October 2011 Posted 31 October 2011 Thank goodness cc-star and leicesterpool don't rate yuki abe. If they actually did like him that would be the first time I had ever agreed with either of them. They probably think Wellens is good. Where did I say I don't rate him? I said... Fernandes, when on his game, is better
Babylon Posted 31 October 2011 Posted 31 October 2011 Can't believe how fickle some of you guys are. Welcome to Foxestalk.
bluesbrothers Posted 31 October 2011 Posted 31 October 2011 He usually doesn't get that far forward, he sits much deeper and mops up loose balls to give back to King, Wellens and co'. He did so to fantastic effect last season as part of that cracking little unit of 3. It's no coincidence to me that we started losing after the New Year when we, inexplicably, pulled apart that midfield trio - probably the strongest in the league at the time. And for what? Fucking Oakley? Worst thing Sven ever did. I'm sorry, but Oakleys performances in the second half of last season were great. Like it or not, our midfield was weakened by the form of King and Wellens going out the window after the Derby match. Am I the only one that sees Abe as more effective on the right side? He gets more of an oppurtunity to get crosses in (I reckon he's the best in the side at the moment deliverywise) and is allowed to join the attack more than in the DMF role. We saw that against Brighton - an inspired first half display and a goal at the start of the second, pretty much the only time the lad has ever been seen in the box!
Dr The Singh Posted 31 October 2011 Posted 31 October 2011 I'm sorry, but Oakleys performances in the second half of last season were great. Am I the only one that sees Abe as more effective on the right side? He gets more of an oppurtunity to get crosses in (I reckon he's the best in the side at the moment deliverywise) and is allowed to join the attack more than in the DMF role. We saw that against Brighton - an inspired first half display and a goal at the start of the second, pretty much the only time the lad has ever been seen in the box! Now that's just pushing it!!!
MattyFromLE Posted 31 October 2011 Posted 31 October 2011 Welcome to Foxestalk. Tell me about it. I don't think we should worship every blade of grass he touches. But he's certainly not our worst performer by far. He needs confidence, which this thread is not promoting. Get behind 'um. Please.
fox in the sox Posted 31 October 2011 Posted 31 October 2011 Tell me about it. I don't think we should worship every blade of grass he touches. But he's certainly not our worst performer by far. He needs confidence, which this thread is not promoting. Get behind 'um. Please. People will not think of him as our worst player because of his postion. He's not expected to get forward. Yet if the team has problems defensively the supporters will blame the defenders. This is only my opinion but i think he is lucky that he keeps getting away with doing very little. If we were not conceding any goals at all you could say he's shielding the defenders well -but 3 conceded in last 2 matches.
funkyrobot Posted 31 October 2011 Posted 31 October 2011 I'm just a bit bemused that your primary criticism of a defensive player is that he doesn't "relish" getting forward enough. That's not what he's there to do; moreover, were he rampaging forward then he'd be leaving a gap and neglecting a defensive duty he's there to do, opening us up to breaks and counter attacks that his primary strength is intercepting. If you have a criticism, it should be that we don't have a manager who wants to deploy four attacking midfielders (or, hell Tony, why not just go out and desire six strikers - or seven, or eight!) - or else what's next? Kasper at fault for not making enough forward runs? The only problem with your argument is that abe is as ineffective as a defensive midfielder as he is as an attacking midfielder. The game passes him by. If you want to see how a real holding midfielder plays the game, watch Scott Parker of Spurs. He is an Interceptor, a tough tackler, influences the game, can pass positively (not lay it backwards 5 yards) and gets involved in the creative attacking aspects of midfield as much as he can despite his holding role.
fox in the sox Posted 1 November 2011 Posted 1 November 2011 Well there you go! Abe not in the squad at all and a comfortable 3-1 away win. Obviously there are other factors but i think it definitely helped.
martyn Posted 1 November 2011 Posted 1 November 2011 Well there you go! Abe not in the squad at all and a comfortable 3-1 away win. Obviously there are other factors but i think it definitely helped. This post doesn't even deserve the merit of a reply as it is so cretinous, but I'll bite. Please could you thus explain why, having drawn 1-1 at Barnsley with a very poor performance, Abe came into the team for the subsequent match to high flying Brighton, scored, and we won the game 1-0.
Finnegan Posted 2 November 2011 Posted 2 November 2011 This post doesn't even deserve the merit of a reply as it is so cretinous, but I'll bite. Please could you thus explain why, having drawn 1-1 at Barnsley with a very poor performance, Abe came into the team for the subsequent match to high flying Brighton, scored, and we won the game 1-0.
Thracian Posted 2 November 2011 Posted 2 November 2011 The only problem with your argument is that abe is as ineffective as a defensive midfielder as he is as an attacking midfielder. The game passes him by. If you want to see how a real holding midfielder plays the game, watch Scott Parker of Spurs. He is an Interceptor, a tough tackler, influences the game, can pass positively (not lay it backwards 5 yards) and gets involved in the creative attacking aspects of midfield as much as he can despite his holding role. Exactly. Abe is a shunter. He busies himself and moves the ball a little this way and that. But he adds nothing special to the side. I've not seen that Danns does either. It's an area we can and need to improve but, as a squad player, you can't fault Abe's attitude and that counts for something.
Thracian Posted 2 November 2011 Posted 2 November 2011 This post doesn't even deserve the merit of a reply as it is so cretinous, but I'll bite. Please could you thus explain why, having drawn 1-1 at Barnsley with a very poor performance, Abe came into the team for the subsequent match to high flying Brighton, scored, and we won the game 1-0. You can always find odd instances to justify most comments - Konshesky scored an excellent goal last night but is not really a wing-back - but Abe is rarely especially influential. Sometimes I suspect that he could be but it's not shown.
martyn Posted 2 November 2011 Posted 2 November 2011 You can always find odd instances to justify most comments - Konshesky scored an excellent goal last night but is not really a wing-back - but Abe is rarely especially influential. Sometimes I suspect that he could be but it's not shown. There will be other instances over the last 2 seasons, I wasn't prepared to trawl at that time of night. If you really think that simply removing 1 player (in a side with 4 changes) from the side acts as a catalyst for a 3-1 victory, well I'd rather not engage with people who hold such an opinion as it's total bullshit. If it was a player who was causing unrest or upsetting morale, then maybe you could justify it, but Abe?
artursteppe Posted 2 November 2011 Posted 2 November 2011 Our best performances are always the few occasions that Yuki plays holding midfield with Wellens not in the team. Rarely happens I know, but someone tell me one instance when we have played better than the second half performance against Watford last season and Derby at home this season! Case Closed!
fox in the sox Posted 2 November 2011 Posted 2 November 2011 There will be other instances over the last 2 seasons, I wasn't prepared to trawl at that time of night. If you really think that simply removing 1 player (in a side with 4 changes) from the side acts as a catalyst for a 3-1 victory, well I'd rather not engage with people who hold such an opinion as it's total bullshit. If it was a player who was causing unrest or upsetting morale, then maybe you could justify it, but Abe? I did say that there were probably other factors. In my opinion this was one of the major ones. We suddenly played with more tempo, more passion and scored 3 goals away from home.
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