wurmer Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 All looked pretty tin-pot to me today, especially in the final third. The lack of creative quality in the area that matters most was appalling. I doubt there's a queue waiting to manage that. I think it's a bloody fantastic opportunity - we have the squad - we just need to get them playing together properly as a team, rather than the bunch of individuals we have mostly seen in the pitch recently. If we get someone in to do this, we can still be in with a shout this season - but it's got to happen quickly.
accessory Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 How do you define if someone is good enough to get us to the premier league or not? Hull went up a few years ago with a group of players who you wouldn't expect to get promoted to the promised land, then they stayed there for a few seasons, like wise with Stoke. names are not what takes you up from this league, it's sheer grit, guts and determination! Nigel picked men in his team that had exactly that, and they got within touching distance . Like Wayne Brown, and Yann Kermorgant... A lot of those players are still with us and are the ones that in my opinion are the only ones who know what you need in this league. Some are nowhere near the first team these days, like Berner and Weale. Others haven't exactly covered themselves with glory since Pearson left. If you're relying on the likes of Wellens and Gallagher to make a challenge for the playoffs (hopes of a top 2 finish are over) then you're being VERY optimistic.. Pearson actually bought in some cracking players in his time here, much better than Sven or Sousa have. Spearing - now a regular in the premier league, Davies- again now a regular in the PL, Cleverly playing for the best team in the country on a regular basis. He knows how to spot young, hungry talent and can the best of out of them. True, he made some good loan signings (as he's done at Hull) and would have to do so again if he came back. The sooner we realise that young and hungry with something to prove players are a billion times better than 'Big Names' who think their too good for this league, the sooner we go up. It's as simple as that. NP knows this and that is why I will be excited if he is the man. But some of the players he left behind have changed, and not for the better. They were over-indulged by Sven with shiny, new and expensive contracts and treated with more reverence than their ability and form deserved. We are now paying the price for that.
Kitchandro Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 Pearson also did a bit of shafting himself - ask Max Gradel.. His record of signings wasn't the best, either. How many of the players he bought last time around are good enough to take us to the Premier League and keep us there? Well considering he had about £10 million less than Sven to spend, and he got us to finish 5th with them, and they're performing no worse than most of Sven's now, I'd say they were pretty decent. Again, why are you talking about the Premier League? We are nowhere near that at the moment, and we weren't expecting to be under Pearson. We've gone backwards since he left, there's no 2 ways about it. This is not so much to do with individuals but more to do with how they are playing as a team. The teams that got promoted last season (and who are holding their own in the Premier League) did not do it because all their players are so much better than the ones we have now, it was their style of play and performances as a unit. Now some of our players aren't good enough and we need to add some more, but there are plenty good enought to get us promoted, with the right coaching. If we have a team good enough to get us promoted then I'll be happy enough and we can cross the next bridge when we come to it.
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 Hopefully this gets resolved by Wednesday. This week or next?
Kitchandro Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 Some are nowhere near the first team these days, like Berner and Weale. Others haven't exactly covered themselves with glory since Pearson left. If you're relying on the likes of Wellens and Gallagher to make a challenge for the playoffs (hopes of a top 2 finish are over) then you're being VERY optimistic.. That's a bit of a stupid comment since they were in the team the last time we got to the play-offs. Why do people insist on believing it's all about individuals? Yes, players are playing poorly at the moment, some worse than others (though we clearly disagree on which ones) but when the whole team is consistently performing below par then it's clearly more than that. They are not being coached properly and the team is not being set up correctly. If Martin O'Neill had got these players from the start of the season for example, we'd be performing much better and I'd wager we'd be in the top 2 by now. The right manager will get this group of players (and that includes Pearson's signings) playing well enough to look like automatic promotion contenders.
Happy Fox Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 http://boards.footymad.net/forum.php?tno=297&fid=148&sty=2&act=1&mid=2115977716 FAO Leicester City fans Just wanted to let you in on some stats about 'big Nige'. - He has failed to pick up any points against any team higher than us in the league (this will change as in a few weeks there will be more teams above us) - He hasn't got a positive goal difference (this is also the case when looking at our home and away record) - His team haven't managed to average a goal a game so far this season (this is also the case when looking at our home and away record) I just wanted to warn you that this could be the biggest waste of money for you, since you signed your last player, or the one before that, or the one before that. My question to any Leicester fans out there is; how happy would you be if NP returned? I do want him to stay with the tigers, but I do honestly beleive it would be a bad appointment for you.
hackneyfox Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 People are seeing the fact that he knows players as a plus. The defence isn't his and is better. Nugent & Beckford will score more goals than Wagforn/Howard It's the midfield that needs changing. If Gallagher, Wellens, Dyer and probably King bever played again I wouldn't in all honesty be that bothered. Whoever comes in has to rip up that midfield and start again, at most only one of them should be in the new midfield.
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 http://boards.footymad.net/forum.php?tno=297&fid=148&sty=2&act=1&mid=2115977716 FAO Leicester City fans Just wanted to let you in on some stats about 'big Nige'. - He has failed to pick up any points against any team higher than us in the league (this will change as in a few weeks there will be more teams above us) - He hasn't got a positive goal difference (this is also the case when looking at our home and away record) - His team haven't managed to average a goal a game so far this season (this is also the case when looking at our home and away record) I just wanted to warn you that this could be the biggest waste of money for you, since you signed your last player, or the one before that, or the one before that. My question to any Leicester fans out there is; how happy would you be if NP returned? I do want him to stay with the tigers, but I do honestly beleive it would be a bad appointment for you. cant disagree with that, from their point of view anyway
accessory Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 People are seeing the fact that he knows players as a plus. The defence isn't his and is better. Nugent & Beckford will score more goals than Waghorn/Howard It's the midfield that needs changing. If Gallagher, Wellens, Dyer and probably King never played again I wouldn't in all honesty be that bothered. Whoever comes in has to rip up that midfield and start again, at most only one of them should be in the new midfield. THIS Even Mourinho or Guardiola couldn't get us promoted with a midfield as weak as our current one.
carterfox90 Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 Well considering he had about £10 million less than Sven to spend, and he got us to finish 5th with them, and they're performing no worse than most of Sven's now, I'd say they were pretty decent. Again, why are you talking about the Premier League? We are nowhere near that at the moment, and we weren't expecting to be under Pearson. We've gone backwards since he left, there's no 2 ways about it. This is not so much to do with individuals but more to do with how they are playing as a team. The teams that got promoted last season (and who are holding their own in the Premier League) did not do it because all their players are so much better than the ones we have now, it was their style of play and performances as a unit. Now some of our players aren't good enough and we need to add some more, but there are plenty good enought to get us promoted, with the right coaching. If we have a team good enough to get us promoted then I'll be happy enough and we can cross the next bridge when we come to it. spot on !!!!1 we are a team of over paid prima donnas not a chance of these individuals going anywhere near the premier league !!!!!!!1
Nickfosse Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 I think it's a bloody fantastic opportunity - we have the squad - we just need to get them playing together properly as a team, rather than the bunch of individuals we have mostly seen in the pitch recently. If we get someone in to do this, we can still be in with a shout this season - but it's got to happen quickly. Maybe , but if the rumours are true (a big if I know) that MON, Hughes and Lee Clark have all said no thank you, having watched our club in recent times, I can't say i blame them too much.
Foxhateram Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 . Like Wayne Brown, and Yann Kermorgant... Some are nowhere near the first team these days, like Berner and Weale. Others haven't exactly covered themselves with glory since Pearson left. If you're relying on the likes of Wellens and Gallagher to make a challenge for the playoffs (hopes of a top 2 finish are over) then you're being VERY optimistic.. True, he made some good loan signings (as he's done at Hull) and would have to do so again if he came back. But some of the players he left behind have changed, and not for the better. They were over-indulged by Sven with shiny, new and expensive contracts and treated with more reverence than their ability and form deserved. We are now paying the price for that. Mis-guidance by the manager? That is why we sacked Sven no? Wayne Brown may have left this club for reasons that are disgusting but he was an asset to our side and did the job he was required to do. Yann Kermorgant was gash fair do's. I am sorry though, I do not understand your negative attitude towards gally, wellens and the like. They are the core of our squad and are the only one's who show a little passion for this club. Name me one player that Sven has brought in that is significantly better then anyone Pearson brought in. I can think of possibly one, and he doesn't play for us now. In fact name me one 'Big Name' signing from the prem that has performed well in a championship side over the last few seasons. Truth of the matter is, that PL players do not have the nouse to play the more physically demanding aspects of this league, they don't like being pushed around, they don't like being hacked at when they perform their 'silky' skills. They are Panzies, Beckford is a bloody panzy! Wellens, King, Gally, Tunch, Berner (gone over now, but was a brilliant player the year NP bought him in), Howard, Oakley(same as bruno), Waggie, Hobbs. All players that know this league inside out, and in the right system, and with the correct guidance then they can quite easily go places, because they have that hunger to succeed, they have something to prove. Add in a bit of width with Dyer or overlapping wing backs (which big nige likes) then we start to look a threat again. Width, Pace and strength is what you need in this league, not panzy trickery that leads to the player ending up running into a brick wall of a CB. Bring back Nige and bring back that hunger and passion for this club. Another qaulity I like of Nige is that he takes no rubbish, and keeps players in check, he makes his presence known, I work with a guy who used to be the physio for england under 21's and he says that everyone respects Nige and everyone would go quiet when he entered the room. Not only that Nige is good at being the person to help the players out. Firm but fair springs to mind. NP will do a good job here if he comes back, it will be good to have someone who knows what there doing at the helm, something we haven't seen since his departure.
ajthefox Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 THIS Even Mourinho or Guardiola couldn't get us promoted with a midfield as weak as our current one. Bet you're loving all this doom and gloom spouting rubbish like that.
accessory Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 That's a bit of a stupid comment since they were in the team the last time we got to the play-offs. Wellens's form was intermittent enough then, hence the arrival of Jay Spearing. He's an older and slower player these days. Gallagher ended up being a peripheral figure towards the end of that season and isn't exactly setting the league alight now. Why do people insist on believing it's all about individuals? Yes, players are playing poorly at the moment, some worse than others (though we clearly disagree on which ones) but when the whole team is consistently performing below par then it's clearly more than that. They are not being coached properly and the team is not being set up correctly. If Martin O'Neill had got these players from the start of the season for example, we'd be performing much better and I'd wager we'd be in the top 2 by now. For the team to perform at the level we want them to, certain players in key roles have to function effectively. At the moment, it's not happening. When the same players under-perform under different managers, it's not unreasonable to enquire whether or not these players, rather than the managers, are the problem. The right manager will get this group of players (and that includes Pearson's signings) playing well enough to look like automatic promotion contenders. The evidence of this season suggests otherwise, not just for this season (which is already a lost cause for a top-2 place), but for future ones too.
Happy Fox Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2058343/Leicester-press-ahead-Nigel-Pearson-pursuit-despite-rebuttal-Hull.html?ITO=socialnet-twitter-hullcitymail&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed Leicester to push ahead with Pearson pursuit despite opening rejection by Hull By SPORTSMAIL REPORTER Last updated at 10:17 PM on 6th November 2011 Comments (0) Add to My Stories Share Leicester City will press ahead with their interest in Nigel Pearson this week despite an initial rebuttal from his club Hull. Never go back? Pearson was Foxes boss from 2008-10 Leicester asked permission to speak to the 48 year old but were denied by Hull's Egyptian owners who are keen to develop a strong working relationship that has seen an upturn in the club's fortunes of late. However, it is understood Leicester will try again today and look to negotiate a compensation package of £400,000 should Hull relent. Pearson is one of the best qualified coaches in the game and is regarded as one of the top young English managers. He left Leicester under a cloud in 2010 after a strained relationship with former owner Milan Mandaric and would regard a return as unfinished business - particularly with an ambitious new board in place. Leicester have spoken to various candidates but believe Pearson has a good knowledge of the division and can get them promotion with more funds available in January. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2058343/Leicester-press-ahead-Nigel-Pearson-pursuit-despite-rebuttal-Hull.html#ixzz1cy3bzfF6
m00nie Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 I am sorry though, I do not understand your negative attitude towards gally, wellens and the like. They are the core of our squad and are the only one's who show a little passion for this club. Name me one player that Sven has brought in that is significantly better then anyone Pearson brought in. I can think of possibly one, and he doesn't play for us now. In fact name me one 'Big Name' signing from the prem that has performed well in a championship side over the last few seasons. Truth of the matter is, that PL players do not have the nouse to play the more physically demanding aspects of this league, they don't like being pushed around, they don't like being hacked at when they perform their 'silky' skills. They are Panzies, Beckford is a bloody panzy! peltier, panstil, naughton > robbie neilson nugent, yakubu, beckford > kermogant mills, bamba > brown
ajthefox Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 peltier, panstil, naughton > robbie neilson nugent, yakubu, beckford > kermogant mills, bamba > brown He said 1 for fooks sake
Kitchandro Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 Wellens's form was intermittent enough then, hence the arrival of Jay Spearing. He's an older and slower player these days. Gallagher ended up being a peripheral figure towards the end of that season and isn't exactly setting the league alight now. For the team to perform at the level we want them to, certain players in key roles have to function effectively. At the moment, it's not happening. When the same players under-perform under different managers, it's not unreasonable to enquire whether or not these players, rather than the managers, are the problem. The evidence of this season suggests otherwise, not just for this season (which is already a lost cause for a top-2 place), but for future ones too. First bits all wrong, Wellens was not replaced by Spearing and Gallagher played a massive part in the end of season run in and started both play-off legs. They were both key players by the end. Which managers have these players performed poorly under? Sousa - a manager which destroyed Pearson's good work. The team noticeably played better under Sven and in January February time we were playing some really good stuff going forward, until we started on this downward spiral, firstly due to Sven's tinkering and the lack of team spirit when we were up against it - 2 things that remained a problem until he was sacked. King, Wellens and Gallagher all played well for large parts of last season and by the end of it, a lot of us were delighted that we had players like this as well as money to spend. There is no doubt we have some very good players here, but even the ones not signed by Pearson have been underperforming so far. Even most of Sven's good signings have been inconsistent at best. The players are good enough, the managers haven't been.
Foxhateram Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 People are seeing the fact that he knows players as a plus. The defence isn't his and is better. Nugent & Beckford will score more goals than Wagforn/Howard It's the midfield that needs changing. If Gallagher, Wellens, Dyer and probably King bever played again I wouldn't in all honesty be that bothered. Whoever comes in has to rip up that midfield and start again, at most only one of them should be in the new midfield. Defence is better? Konchesky (lucky goal the other night) and paintsil are both stuck in the mud full backs. They offer no forward options what so ever, this defence has leaked far more goals than NP's had at this point of the season, they are easy to break down and have averaged at letting in more than one goal a game over the season. Added to that they have not kept consistent clean sheets all season. The midfields failings are down to the constant chopping and changing of systems, no one has had a chance to perform in their positions and the systems they have been forced to play have not suited their style. We know that Gally plays well behind the front two (when has he played there?). We know Kingy can chip in with goal's when the front man holds up the ball effectively and picks out his runs(Beckford and Nugent both turn and run). We know that Dyer can add some width and spark given the proper opportunities(He scored a cracker against man city, and has contibuted to goals even this season, yet is consitantly dropped). We know that wellens can break up play in that DM role. This season has just been mis-guided by Sven and his tactics just do not suite the players we have. I haven't seen anything from Beckford and Nugent yet, to suggest they are going to chip in with more goals then Waggy and Fryatt. In fact those pair have scored more this season in a Hull side where they are part of a rotation strike force. As for Howard, the bloke is brilliant at being a CF, we have no one else who can do that at all.
Happy Fox Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 First thing NP will do in the January transfer window is get two bloody wingers in
Libertine Dream Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 peltier, panstil, naughton > robbie neilson nugent, yakubu, beckford > kermogant mills, bamba > brown Yes okay all crap players(Kermogant looks beast at charlton) but: Neilson(Free, cheap wages) Kermogant(Free, cheap wages) Brown(Free, cheap wages) Its very difficult when yiu have a lack of money to sign players to get a great depth of squad. Sven had this money to spend and decided to waste it on too many midfielders and a striker that was a panic buy. Had Sven thought about his signings and signed players for a system, like Southampton and West Ham, he'd still be in a job challenging with the two teams I mentioned. You could even say with Sven's signings: Yakubu>Beckford Naughton>Peltier Pva(going forward)>Konchesky (arguable) Mee>SSL Hence reasons why he struggled to get us playing like he did last year.
Foxhateram Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 peltier, panstil, naughton > robbie neilson nugent, yakubu, beckford > kermogant mills, bamba > brown Mills and bamba have been part of a leaky defence all season. Yak and Beckford are better than Kermo agreed but are not better than Waggy, Fryatt, Dyer, Gally in this division. Nugent is class I will give you that. Peltier and Pantsil have both been gash all season, Nielson was left from a poor team before Nige arrived no? but Morrison, Solano and the various loan signings we had a right back were far better than those two. Naughton was the one player I said was better but does not play for us anymore. So effectively Nugent and Naughton are the only two that have really contributed majorly to our team, yet we have spent what? 11 Mill? Where has it all gone?
ADAMSKI97 Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 Pearson also did a bit of shafting himself - ask Max Gradel.. His record of signings wasn't the best, either. How many of the players he bought last time around are good enough to take us to the Premier League and keep us there? RUBBISH!! You are a bit out of order saying he shafted Gradel, you dont know all that goes on behind the scenes!!! i know one of the ex board members from Bournemouth when Max was on loan there and believe me Maxi carries one hell of a load of baggage! As for his signings well surely in the first season in the Chamionship they were bought to establish the team in that league, if he is supplied with the money the Thai boys have, im sure Nige and Steve Walsh would have a shopping list of players that they would wish to improve the team to acheive promotion into the Premier League! COME HOME NIGEL WE NEED YOU!!!!
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