cc_star Posted 17 December 2011 Posted 17 December 2011 Obviously I'm aware that it's Wellens' fault because I read so on FoxesTalk, in addition to that it's also Wellens' fault that it's freezing outside and for the Tropical Storm that killed hundreds in the Philippines earlier, but aside from Satan's spawn Wellen's himself, just WTF is going on at the back Game after games the defence turns wins into draws... and draws into defeats Brilliant: Kasper, overall is brilliant although he's not immune from making mistakes... he's the potential to be a great & is infinitely better than Weale Peltier - Shaping up to be player of the season, has never been anything less than a revelation Fine: Bamba - Far from his biggest fan, but it says something about everyone else that he's been the pick of the bunch this season. OK: Konchesky - Apart from West Ham away hasn't really made a mistake, but he's far from contributed much either, has a penchant for a hoof as soon as he's near the halfway line that more than 50% of the time leads to an opposition attack, thoroughly average in every respect, but thanks to the remainder of the bombscare is far from receiving attention as a big problem WTF? Paintsil - This can't be the same guy who played in the Prem, he gets put on his arse by opposing wingers & can;t pass for shit going forward. Thanks heavens for Peltier Mills - Stupidly ridiculous red cards directly attributable to dropped points & when he's not getting sent off, we have to put up individual errors which lead directly to goals SSL - Was reasonably respected at PNE and an international, not sure what's happened but he couldn't mark my Gran, time after time a player ghosts in & scores Tunchev - a revelation in league 1 for us, but it was league 1... but apparently put in many good performances at Palace where he went to prove his fitness, would love to see him get a 3 game run partnering Bamba... but will Mill's £5m fee prevent that from happening? With either Mills or SSL seemingly guaranteed a start, we're under enormous pressure to score 3 goals just to win a match, and with a forwards being some way short of 20 goals a season men that's obviously quite a stretch What say we go 5 at the back and try Peltier & Konch as wing backs & try Mills, Tunchev & Bamba at the back or any 3 in a combination of those available As it stands with the four at the back, at least with the Mills+Bamba or Bamba+SSL combo, we'll have more wins turned into draws & draws turned into defeats
Happy Fox Posted 17 December 2011 Posted 17 December 2011 Obviously I'm aware that it's Wellens' fault because I read so on FoxesTalk, in addition to that it's also Wellens' fault that it's freezing outside and for the Tropical Storm that killed hundreds in the Philippines earlier, but aside from Satan's spawn Wellen's himself, just WTF is going on at the back Game after games the defence turns wins into draws... and draws into defeats Brilliant: Kasper, overall is brilliant although he's not immune from making mistakes... he's the potential to be a great & is infinitely better than Weale Peltier - Shaping up to be player of the season, has never been anything less than a revelation Fine: Bamba - Far from his biggest fan, but it says something about everyone else that he's been the pick of the bunch this season. OK: Konchesky - Apart from West Ham away hasn't really made a mistake, but he's far from contributed much either, has a penchant for a hoof as soon as he's near the halfway line that more than 50% of the time leads to an opposition attack, thoroughly average in every respect, but thanks to the remainder of the bombscare is far from receiving attention as a big problem WTF? Paintsil - This can't be the same guy who played in the Prem, he gets put on his arse by opposing wingers & can;t pass for shit going forward. Thanks heavens for Peltier Mills - Stupidly ridiculous red cards directly attributable to dropped points & when he's not getting sent off, we have to put up individual errors which lead directly to goals SSL - Was reasonably respected at PNE and an international, not sure what's happened but he couldn't mark my Gran, time after time a player ghosts in & scores Tunchev - a revelation in league 1 for us, but it was league 1... but apparently put in many good performances at Palace where he went to prove his fitness, would love to see him get a 3 game run partnering Bamba... but will Mill's £5m fee prevent that from happening? With either Mills or SSL seemingly guaranteed a start, we're under enormous pressure to score 3 goals just to win a match, and with a forwards being some way short of 20 goals a season men that's obviously quite a stretch What say we go 5 at the back and try Peltier & Konch as wing backs & try Mills, Tunchev & Bamba at the back or any 3 in a combination of those available As it stands with the four at the back, at least with the Mills+Bamba or Bamba+SSL combo, we'll have more wins turned into draws & draws turned into defeats Sometimes I despair, the midfield is gapingly obvious being walked over i.e opposition players run riot through the midfield putting unnecessary pressure on our backline sort the midfield and I am confident we will won't concede many goals.
Fox92 Posted 17 December 2011 Posted 17 December 2011 Whilst I usually find myself in agreement with you cc_star, I think midfield is our biggest problem. People seem to point the finger at Wellens, but it is all of the midfield that need dropping. We have too many players that are not good enough (I don't buy all of this 'out of form' business because form is temporary, class is permiminant) and Nigel seriously needs to consider changing it. On the defence, I personally think St. Legder is the best centre-half we have.
Libertine Dream Posted 17 December 2011 Posted 17 December 2011 Why do people have it in for Mills? Its clear we miss him. He has some passion and gets stuck in, unlike SSL
Christoph Posted 17 December 2011 Posted 17 December 2011 How many clean sheets have we kept this season? I'm sure our defence isn't that terrible.
Ross 'LCFC' Turner Posted 17 December 2011 Posted 17 December 2011 I dont understand the big hype over Lee Peltier? Just average for me, too much passing back and wasteful going forward.
Legend_in_blue Posted 17 December 2011 Posted 17 December 2011 There is nothing wrong with the back 4.
accessory Posted 18 December 2011 Posted 18 December 2011 Whilst I usually find myself in agreement with you cc_star, I think midfield is our biggest problem. People seem to point the finger at Wellens, but it is all of the midfield that need dropping. We have too many players that are not good enough (I don't buy all of this 'out of form' business because form is temporary, class is permiminant) and Nigel seriously needs to consider changing it. On the defence, I personally think St. Legder is the best centre-half we have. St Ledger's a bombscare, as is Bamba. Mills back for Boxing Day please, preferably with Tunch alongside him.
Langston Posted 18 December 2011 Posted 18 December 2011 Think the original post is harsh on Konchesky. Been just as consistent as Peltier, and, for me, has had more 'stand-out' games where he's looked very impressive. Personally think he's been a very tidy signing.
RizLCFC Posted 18 December 2011 Posted 18 December 2011 Think the original post is harsh on Konchesky. Been just as consistent as Peltier, and, for me, has had more 'stand-out' games where he's looked very impressive. Personally think he's been a very tidy signing. I agree, Konchesky has been brilliant for us, Peltier considering it's the first time he's playing at this level, he's doing really well. Bamba I don't mind, it would be great if Mills can stop the stupid uncalled for errors because we are a better defensive unit with him in the side. I'd like to see Tunchev given a go I think him and Mills at the back would be a quality pairing. SSL is shite simple as!
STEVIE B Posted 18 December 2011 Posted 18 December 2011 Midfield is far too lightweight,has no pace and has no playmaker or a beast to snap at the heels of the opposition. Defence isn't that bad,Konch and Pelts have been very tidy. Bamba,Mills & SSL have made the odd mistake, but some of this stems from our poor midfield. IMO
Fox92 Posted 18 December 2011 Posted 18 December 2011 St Ledger's a bombscare, as is Bamba. Mills back for Boxing Day please, preferably with Tunch alongside him. To be fair, I feel safer with St. Ledger at the back. Apart from Bristol City's second goal, I think he has been fairly solid. I agree with Tunchev though, I'd play him against Ipswich as well. Maybe he would balance the back four as well as he is left sided.
Callabinho Posted 18 December 2011 Posted 18 December 2011 Our Midfield is as useless as Nick Clegg....
SMX11 Posted 18 December 2011 Posted 18 December 2011 I think Pearson is fed up of the current incumbents, I wouldn't at all be surprised if Mills and Tunch are the pairing for the boxing day fixture. From his interview yesterday I think he may make wholesale changes in the January.
accessory Posted 18 December 2011 Posted 18 December 2011 To be fair, I feel safer with St. Ledger at the back. Apart from Bristol City's second goal, I think he has been fairly solid. Not just that game, though. He had shockers against Millwall and West Ham, as well as making a bad error leading to Peterboro's equaliser last week. Mills offers leadership, something this club has been badly lacking too often this season.
Heart-Shaped Fox Posted 18 December 2011 Posted 18 December 2011 The defence is still no where as good as it was when we had Berner, Brown, Hobbs and Morrison in the back 4. You might say on paper they arent individually as good, but NP found a back 4 which worked hard for each other anf together. Someting we really miss now, still havent got a real leader at the back. That back 4 certainly wouldnt have lost us that game. The defence needs a lot of work on it. Bring Tunch back.
Guest Posted 18 December 2011 Posted 18 December 2011 Midfield is poor - it has little going forward and nothing going backward. Too many of you didd Danns on here but at least he always closes players down. Wellens and King are a joke defensively and should have been shot by Sven when he was having his clear out.
Guest Col city fan Posted 18 December 2011 Posted 18 December 2011 I dont agree with this thread at all. Our back five is surely good enough to produce at this level? The problem is that the back five are put under too much pressure. By this, I mean pressure that could and should be snubbed out by our midfield. Its law of averages that a defence, unsupported by those in front of them, are going to concede at some point. This was most apparent against Peterborough where their nippy counter-attack play ran through our midfield at will. Its also been apparent that Kasper has had to make some sensational saves this season. Reason why?..... because he's had an awful lot to do. The best teams IMO are the ones where the goalkeeper actually looks pretty bored because defensively the team in front of him give him little to have to do. Defending, like attacking is a TEAM thing. In a defensive sense, if I were a centre back, or a full back, having to defend behind a midfield of Wellens, King, Gally and Dyer I'd be shitting miself to be honest. None are tough enough, get a foot in enough or are sufficiently defensively minded to support a back five that gets put under just too much pressure. THIS TEAM NEEDS A FOOKIN MIDFIELD TOUGH BLOKE... to support the back five defensively, and to get us going again offensively. I believe that Bamba and Mills would look so much more assured if they knew there was a first line of defence to support them. And I also believe that the more attack minded players would feel they could 'be creative' if they could be stripped-down, to some extent, of their defensive duties. A back five of Konch, Pelts, Bamba, Mills and Kasper at this level? Yes please... I'd take that probably over any other back five in the division. But its ESSENTIAL that the midfield four are also able to defend too. They aren't at present..they are not quick enough, tough enough or defensively minded enough to support the back line. To sort this out, for me, is clear as crystal. We don't defend as a team...this must be rectified and quickly. The back five, for me, are not the problem. Its the rest of the team not giving them the support they need that is. Defend AS A TEAM... attack AS A TEAM. This is where the problem is. Midfield tough guy please Nigel...oh, and as I said weeks ago..Billy please.
acooling08 Posted 18 December 2011 Posted 18 December 2011 I have to admit that I am becoming less and less happy with Bamba. Bring Tunchev back in!!
Kitchandro Posted 18 December 2011 Posted 18 December 2011 The midfield is poor but blaming them for the 2 goals yesterday when Sharp was twice left unmarked? Do me a favour. The defence cannot be free of blame, Peltier started well but his formed has dipped badly in the last month or so. Mills has cost us games, St Ledger isn't good enough and Bamba and Konchesky are prone to a rush of blood. It's not a poor defence but it's far from great.
acooling08 Posted 18 December 2011 Posted 18 December 2011 The midfield is poor but blaming them for the 2 goals yesterday when Sharp was twice left unmarked? Do me a favour. The defence cannot be free of blame, Peltier started well but his formed has dipped badly in the last month or so. Mills has cost us games, St Ledger isn't good enough and Bamba and Konchesky are prone to a rush of blood. It's not a poor defence but it's far from great. The midfield isn't protecting the back 5 enough imo. Plus I disagree about Konch, he has been brilliant recently.
ealingfox Posted 18 December 2011 Posted 18 December 2011 Peltier, Konchesky and Bamba have all been good enough so far.
Kitchandro Posted 18 December 2011 Posted 18 December 2011 The midfield isn't protecting the back 5 enough imo. Plus I disagree about Konch, he has been brilliant recently. I'm not slating Konchesky as such, just saying that he's prone to errors, e.g giving it away in dangerous areas then getting done for pace. I don't disagree with your first point but the 2 goals yesterday were down to poor marking from the defenders, not the midfielders.
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