acooling08 Posted 21 December 2011 Posted 21 December 2011 Waghorn scored 12 goals for us the season before last. Schlupp has done fvck all at this level so far but does have potential. I'd loan out Schlupp and bring Waggy onto the bench. And this poll is retarded. KEEP BOTH.
Chap84 Posted 21 December 2011 Posted 21 December 2011 Typical, like I said in another thread Pearson will get rid of beckford and bring waghorn back as his replacement! Why not have both of waghorn and schlupp? Can 1 play behind the front 2? Send waghorn back out on loan to get his fitness and get him ready for next season. Waghorn has less potential for me plus schlupp is not as predictable because knowbody knows how he plays!
Captain... Posted 21 December 2011 Posted 21 December 2011 Can we please wait until we have seen Waghorn play in this team before we judge him, the same goes for Schlupp, he hasn't been given a chance under NP, so we haven't seen how he would fit in to NPs plans either. Basically I think either would offer more than Howard at the moment, and Beckford for that matter. The sad truth is they will both probably rot away under performing and feeding off scraps until their confidence is shot to pieces and their talent is wasted as there is not even a reserve team to keep them fresh.
dannythefox Posted 21 December 2011 Posted 21 December 2011 Everyone knocks Waggy but he would of done better than Howard or Beckford has since the start of the season an inform Waggy is a good player.Schulpp if were not careful will leave for someone else and a wouldn't blame him!
ithuriel Posted 21 December 2011 Posted 21 December 2011 When peeps make these polls why make them so narrow and ultimately pointless. Waghorn needs serious work but he did play for England U21s and score recently, maybe Pearson think's he can get him to be the striker he was in his first spell here again. Schlupp looked dangerous for the short time he was on at the last home match but he need's more time to develop, last thing we would want is him getting booed and slated for not being good enough by being thrown in too early and sometime's do you see that he lack's the knowledge and experience required when up against a quality centrehalf. Both could still make it here but only time will tell.
danfox76 Posted 21 December 2011 Posted 21 December 2011 Schlupp all day long for me, just hope he gets some game time under a manager who prides himself on bringing on young players
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 21 December 2011 Posted 21 December 2011 Schlupp has more potential but we can use both of them. This :xmassmile:
MPH Posted 21 December 2011 Posted 21 December 2011 Where does this Schlupp and "pace" thing come from. I honestly don't think I've ever seen him get by someone, or do anything that involved any great pace. He's always looked fairly average to me speed wise. I liked the look of him against Saints up front as he was awkward, one of those players you never quite knew what they were going to do. And the ball seemed to stick to him quite well... but I saw no great pace??! . You've just had a mare, there, Babs.
Babylon Posted 22 December 2011 Posted 22 December 2011 . You've just had a mare, there, Babs. Well I've seen him play with my own eyes and I'm still waiting to see his amazing pace. He seems no quicker than the likes of Nugent and Beckford. And people don't bang on about their speed.
Clazie Posted 22 December 2011 Posted 22 December 2011 Well I've seen him play with my own eyes and I'm still waiting to see his amazing pace. He seems no quicker than the likes of Nugent and Beckford. And people don't bang on about their speed. Yes they do? Just look at FIFA, Beckford has pace 96! But in all seriousness, Schlupp vs Paddy Mc when we played palace has to be one of the funniest races I've seen! The lad gave him a 25 yard head start and still did him.
Babylon Posted 22 December 2011 Posted 22 December 2011 But in all seriousness, Schlupp vs Paddy Mc when we played palace has to be one of the funniest races I've seen! The lad gave him a 25 yard head start and still did him. Maybe I blinked!
Collymore Posted 22 December 2011 Posted 22 December 2011 Schlupp is quick, but a good defender can use angles to negate this. Your truly quick players are naturally fast but understand these angles so become even faster. It's all trigonometry you know...
Jimmy Posted 22 December 2011 Posted 22 December 2011 Schlupp is quick, but a good defender can use angles to negate this. Your truly quick players are naturally fast but understand these angles so become even faster. It's all trigonometry you know... which they learn by actually playing...
AyewJoking Posted 23 December 2011 Posted 23 December 2011 Both of them have a bright future in the Championship
sphericalfox Posted 23 December 2011 Posted 23 December 2011 Pearson isn't being straight with the fans publicly. He says Abe, Fernandes, and Waggy all have places within the team, yet word from inside the camp suggest otherwise. I can't see what Waggy will bring to strengthen the team, in all honesty. I like him, but if he's taking up the place of someone who can actually perform then we might as well go back to the exact team Pearson started with in his first stint, and write off this year.
Babylon Posted 23 December 2011 Posted 23 December 2011 Pearson isn't being straight with the fans publicly. He says Abe, Fernandes, and Waggy all have places within the team, yet word from inside the camp suggest otherwise. I can't see what Waggy will bring to strengthen the team, in all honesty. I like him, but if he's taking up the place of someone who can actually perform When did he say they had a place in the team? What word is coming from inside the camp? What performing players place will Waghorn take? we might as well go back to the exact team Pearson started with in his first stint, and write off this year. Is he not actually playing the new signings who we all pretty much agree have been good? Is it not just the new players who have not performed for us being left on the sidelines?
sphericalfox Posted 23 December 2011 Posted 23 December 2011 When did he say they had a place in the team? What word is coming from inside the camp? What performing players place will Waghorn take? Is he not actually playing the new signings who we all pretty much agree have been good? Is it not just the new players who have not performed for us being left on the sidelines? Firstly Pearson said that Abe was part of his plans only recently in the press. He has said only on the radio the other night Fernandes is in the team. He has also said in the paper just the other day that Waggy was part of his plans. I guess I should guess that all this means team involvement. However, I'd disagree with Pearson about his definition of the word team. My understanding from another forum's contributor who has contacts within the club that there are ructions with Pearson's way. It was always inevitable that some people wouldn't be happy, but it apparently is just a very small minority. So many questions Babs, you sound like Stringer. What person's place will Waggy take. God knows. But if he takes a place on the bench, then I really despair. I think it'd be better to have Schlupp as plan b. My last comment was tongue in cheek. I would disagree about him playing all the new signings that have been good. I would argue Fernandes, and to a lesser degree, Abe, have been unjustly sidelined, and Pearson is sticking to what he knows and can/want to take his instructions.
seenitall Posted 23 December 2011 Posted 23 December 2011 Waggy is a League 1 player - wait until we go down and then he will fit in perfectly
Babylon Posted 23 December 2011 Posted 23 December 2011 Firstly Pearson said that Abe was part of his plans only recently in the press. He has said only on the radio the other night Fernandes is in the team. He has also said in the paper just the other day that Waggy was part of his plans. I guess I should guess that all this means team involvement. However, I'd disagree with Pearson about his definition of the word team. Being in someones plans and being in the starting 11 are not one and the same thing. You should really disagree with yourself on how you are taking what he said. None of the comments should be taken as though he said they would be starting, that's you reading in to things. My understanding from another forum's contributor who has contacts within the club that there are ructions with Pearson's way. It was always inevitable that some people wouldn't be happy, but it apparently is just a very small minority. Players not in the team and signed by different manager not happy... shocker. So many questions Babs, you sound like Stringer. What person's place will Waggy take. God knows. But if he takes a place on the bench, then I really despair. I think it'd be better to have Schlupp as plan b. So if Waghorn came back and Pearson managed to get out of him what he did two years ago you'd still rather he wasn't around? I would argue Fernandes, and to a lesser degree, Abe, have been unjustly sidelined, and Pearson is sticking to what he knows and can/want to take his instructions. Unjust how? Have their performances really warranted a place in the team? I will post what I wrote on TB as I think it points out a few things that are relevant to this... "If he was trying to recreate his old team he'd be playing Weale and Berner. He's playing the signings that have done well and not playing the ones that have been average or worse! Is it a shock he's picking people he knows at trusts? (for the moment). The guys brought in by Sven and Sousa haven't exactly covered themselves in glory over the last two years. Can we really say any one of them has earned themselves a starting spot with their performances? Fair enough Wellens and King haven't either, but I think it's more a case of better the devil you know at the moment. He sees Fernandes and Abe in training all the time, maybe they just haven't done enough to prove themselves worthy. Maybe he already knows they would prefer a move in January. Unfortunately we only know half the story and we aren't around at training to see the partnerships he may have tried out. The only place we get to see them in action is on the pitch, so naturally people scream for changes in games. But if he's already tried it and doesn't think it will work, why would he just make a change for changes sake? It's only been six games, he said on the phone in that he'll never go for quick fixes and that it's a long term project. Because January is a hard time to get players in, we might not really know the teams direction until the start of next season. By then he will have had time to make the changes he thinks are needed." I do have to say I have been very surprised by your attitude towards Pearson. If memory serves me correct you were one of the people who stood up for Sven when others were bashing him. Yet from a few posts I have seen of yours lately you don't seem willing to afford Pearson the sames things you were wanting from others regarding Sven. It's not just you, there is a large number of people who seem willing to give x manager what they wouldn't give y manager. It's not a shock with some people though, you could see their minds were already made up before the manager arrived. I didn't have you don't as that sort of person though as (if I remember rightly) I agreed with many of the things you said about Sven and you seemed quite level headed.
sphericalfox Posted 23 December 2011 Posted 23 December 2011 Being in someones plans and being in the starting 11 are not one and the same thing. You should really disagree with yourself on how you are taking what he said. None of the comments should be taken as though he said they would be starting, that's you reading in to things. Players not in the team and signed by different manager not happy... shocker. So if Waghorn came back and Pearson managed to get out of him what he did two years ago you'd still rather he wasn't around? Unjust how? Have their performances really warranted a place in the team? I will post what I wrote on TB as I think it points out a few things that are relevant to this... "If he was trying to recreate his old team he'd be playing Weale and Berner. He's playing the signings that have done well and not playing the ones that have been average or worse! Is it a shock he's picking people he knows at trusts? (for the moment). The guys brought in by Sven and Sousa haven't exactly covered themselves in glory over the last two years. Can we really say any one of them has earned themselves a starting spot with their performances? Fair enough Wellens and King haven't either, but I think it's more a case of better the devil you know at the moment. He sees Fernandes and Abe in training all the time, maybe they just haven't done enough to prove themselves worthy. Maybe he already knows they would prefer a move in January. Unfortunately we only know half the story and we aren't around at training to see the partnerships he may have tried out. The only place we get to see them in action is on the pitch, so naturally people scream for changes in games. But if he's already tried it and doesn't think it will work, why would he just make a change for changes sake? It's only been six games, he said on the phone in that he'll never go for quick fixes and that it's a long term project. Because January is a hard time to get players in, we might not really know the teams direction until the start of next season. By then he will have had time to make the changes he thinks are needed." I do have to say I have been very surprised by your attitude towards Pearson. If memory serves me correct you were one of the people who stood up for Sven when others were bashing him. Yet from a few posts I have seen of yours lately you don't seem willing to afford Pearson the sames things you were wanting from others regarding Sven. It's not just you, there is a large number of people who seem willing to give x manager what they wouldn't give y manager. It's not a shock with some people though, you could see their minds were already made up before the manager arrived. I didn't have you don't as that sort of person though as (if I remember rightly) I agreed with many of the things you said about Sven and you seemed quite level headed. I'm not sure why you think i've made my mind up Babs, and your confrontational approach is slightly baffling, as I didn't have you down as that type of bloke. From what i can see up above we are in agreement, I'm just putting across a different way. If Pearson manages to get 10 goals out of Waggy then, super great, but I think he'd get that from Schlupp. So I guess I am saying that we'd be better off selling him, as we have someone of equal quality chomping at the bit. My suggestion that he brings together the rest of the old guard too, was tongue in cheek joke. Perhaps a satirical smiley-face would have clarified that, but I can't remember whether I was using my phone at the time of posting. The reason I am critical of Pearson, and I will praise him when he does things right too, is at the moment he's making errors tactically. Now whether all of Sven's boys have the nametags taken off of the dressing room, and will be spending Christmas back at their respective clubs, or countries, really having a dig at me, as I stated that there was unrest in the squad (shocker), was in reply to your question. It's not only Sven's boys with the hump. That's what I was implying. Not sure what's got your back up fella, but I am not being overly negative about Pearson. I am giving him the opportunity to sort it out and January will be his chance to do so. I don't expect results to turn immediately either. It'll be some undertaking to keep us in touch or to scrape into the playoffs. I'd like to think I'm level headed about my viewpoint of Pearson, as with Sven. I think it's easier to come to some early conclusions about particular aspects as he's been here before. There are players in the team that are his. But as I've said early points about team selection, and tactics were obviously flawed, and easily remedied. Pearson did nothing to change these. You can't blame me for his mistakes surely?
Babylon Posted 23 December 2011 Posted 23 December 2011 I'm not sure why you think i've made my mind up Babs, and your confrontational approach is slightly baffling, as I didn't have you down as that type of bloke. From what i can see up above we are in agreement, I'm just putting across a different way. If Pearson manages to get 10 goals out of Waggy then, super great, but I think he'd get that from Schlupp. So I guess I am saying that we'd be better off selling him, as we have someone of equal quality chomping at the bit. My suggestion that he brings together the rest of the old guard too, was tongue in cheek joke. Perhaps a satirical smiley-face would have clarified that, but I can't remember whether I was using my phone at the time of posting. The reason I am critical of Pearson, and I will praise him when he does things right too, is at the moment he's making errors tactically. Now whether all of Sven's boys have the nametags taken off of the dressing room, and will be spending Christmas back at their respective clubs, or countries, really having a dig at me, as I stated that there was unrest in the squad (shocker), was in reply to your question. It's not only Sven's boys with the hump. That's what I was implying. Not sure what's got your back up fella, but I am not being overly negative about Pearson. I am giving him the opportunity to sort it out and January will be his chance to do so. I don't expect results to turn immediately either. It'll be some undertaking to keep us in touch or to scrape into the playoffs. I'd like to think I'm level headed about my viewpoint of Pearson, as with Sven. I think it's easier to come to some early conclusions about particular aspects as he's been here before. There are players in the team that are his. But as I've said early points about team selection, and tactics were obviously flawed, and easily remedied. Pearson did nothing to change these. You can't blame me for his mistakes surely? I'm not being confrontational, I've not asked you outside for a fight. I've just stated that in my opinion your attitude towards Sven seemed to defensive of him, and now rather attacking towards Pearson. Maybe my recollection of your posts is incorrect.
sphericalfox Posted 23 December 2011 Posted 23 December 2011 I'm not being confrontational, I've not asked you outside for a fight. I've just stated that in my opinion your attitude towards Sven seemed to defensive of him, and now rather attacking towards Pearson. Maybe my recollection of your posts is incorrect. Well I can say I've not been posting all that often, and I've been critical, but I definitely not been overly critical and ridiculous/outlandish. I've stated here and over on my bobbins that I'm giving him the chance to prove me wrong about certain aspects of his management, but from the last few games elements of his previous tactics have resurfaced and I've been critical of them, but within reason. I still do believe though that bringing Waggy back would be folly. Schlupp has at least the potential to improve in my opinion, whilst I can't see it with Waggy. Let's get some money and tag it onto whatever we'll spend to bring in a winger(s) and maybe (if Beckford does go) someone who can hit the target.
seenitall Posted 23 December 2011 Posted 23 December 2011 This is the anti Sven pro Pearson era (from last time) board Spherical - you have to love Nige, Top, Waggy and Weale or you're not really a Leicester fan - you also have to hate Sven, Beckford, Danns, Mills and think that because we won League 1 we should have kept that team together forever. How dare you disagree!
Babylon Posted 24 December 2011 Posted 24 December 2011 This is the anti Sven pro Pearson era (from last time) board Spherical - you have to love Nige, Top, Waggy and Weale or you're not really a Leicester fan - you also have to hate Sven, Beckford, Danns, Mills and think that because we won League 1 we should have kept that team together forever. How dare you disagree! Unfortunately you've just made yourself look rather stupid considering who it was he was replying to... me. I've never been any of the above and always treat people the same, which is all I was questioning him about.
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