Konchesky sticking the v's up to the fans?

[21st Century Fox]

I'd not really had a chance to read the whole thread when I posted from my phone whilst still in London earlier.

It was quite clear he was aiming it at a specific individual but I just assumed there were a few Millwall fans below us that were giving him stick for being ex-West Ham, knowing now that it was one of our lot, I'm fairly sure it was a middle aged guy with grey hair, glasses, possibly moustache that was on the right hand side leaning over at the front giving him the willy puller sign (I hadn't put the two together because some people on the right had been doing it to a fat kid on the Millwall right).

It's annoying because Konchesky was by far one of the more committed players today (and generally all season). This whole role model bullsh*t is ridiculous, I'm sure any kid hears far worse coming from the stands, probably from friends and relatives, if they're using Paul Konchesky as a role model you need to take a long hard look at yourself as a parent.

[carlhltid]

they are paid enough money to be professional footballers and this is not very professional at all alot of players take stick every game in every team and dont do this who does he think he is pearson sort it out

[BrummieFOX]

they are paid enough money to be professional footballers and this is not very professional at all alot of players take stick every game in every team and dont do this who does he think he is pearson sort it out

Money is completely irrelevant.

[jon1bc]

Some of you need to get of your high horses. why should Konchesky tolorate abuse from his fans? the fact that hes on a professionaal footballer on silly money a week makes no difference. The individuals concerned should be ashamed and im actually glad he responded that way. i was there yest and he did have a poor game but it wasnt through lack of effort. all this talk of well hes a role model for the younger generation.. well what example on these fans setting? If you pay your money you have the right to abuse fans? Bulsht. grow up and show some respect.

[kylestyle06]

If I did my job wrong or for what ever reason was getting abuse off a client/customer the last thing i'd do is stick my fingers up.

I'm not defending the fans attitude to abuse him, but to stick fingers up at your own fans is wrong. He should be able to control his attitude and understand that people do get frustrated and not rise to it.

[Matt]

If I did my job wrong or for what ever reason was getting abuse off a client/customer the last thing i'd do is stick my fingers up.

I'm not defending the fans attitude to abuse him, but to stick fingers up at your own fans is wrong. He should be able to control his attitude and understand that people do get frustrated and not rise to it.

Yeah I was about to post something similar to this, I am in no way slagging Konchesky off, but do believe he should be alot more professional and that goes for a few of our players.

If a client was having a go at me for something being wrong or something if I swore back at them or aruged back I think i'd be in trouble with my employers, i'm just throwing it out there, the fact i'm on alot less money in a less glamorous job and yet i'd still be more professional about this situation is what i'm questioning, because i'm sure most people on here would be in the same situation.

I do see Konchesky's point, no-one deserves the abuse but it's called professionalism as I said earlier in the thread.

[cc_star]

Quite a few sticking up for Konch

Wonder if they would if it was Gally who he & even his wife has suffered personal abuse on a level I havent heard before & not just a 'get off your shit' kind of reaction to a defeat that this was... Despite this has Gally ever reacted in such a way.

Konch's reaction (if this happened) is typical of our players this season which has seen a ridiculous number of red cards that has cost us points through suspensions.

[jon1bc]

If I did my job wrong or for what ever reason was getting abuse off a client/customer the last thing i'd do is stick my fingers up.

I'm not defending the fans attitude to abuse him, but to stick fingers up at your own fans is wrong. He should be able to control his attitude and understand that people do get frustrated and not rise to it.

thats fair enough but hes human. In the heat of the moment when you are getting thoroughly abused with disgusting language, then i personaly would find it extremely difficult to hold back.

Particularly when you may feel you have put heart on soul into the game, which in this case maybe questionable.

Its difficult to draw similarities with a working environment because there is a high degree of emotion and passion which is difficult to recreate

[stourbridgefox]

The fact is, far too many supporters behave in an abusive manner towards footballers.

How many times have you been near someone who's only goal seems to be to get his voice heard by a footballer? Some people seem only to go to the football to vent their anger and frustration at their own lives at our players. Well..there is therapy for these kind of problems, I don't think the right venue for it is the King Power Stadium.

I've heard all the reasons and excuses for why players should accept abuse. They get paid very well. This is undoubtedly true, but the fact is, any footballer could probably do a reasonable job of whatever we do but could we do their job? No we couldn't. They are an elite based on a rare talent which probably only 1 in 10 000 have. You can complain that this talent should not be rewarded so highly when compared to other jobs and you may have a point. But the fact remains that we live in a capitalist economy and worth is not measured in value to society but by who is prepared to pay the most for what.

So if how much they are paid is your problem with them, don't shout at them, they can't change it. Join a political party or start a revolution!

I've also heard that they display a lack of professionalism. Well...lets see how professional we all are if we do our jobs while running a marathon. Add to that the pressure of 1000s of people watching and everything you do being analysed and criticise by the media. We complain when players show no passion and then turn around and criticise them when their passion boils over! You can't have it both ways.

Being honest, how many employers would expect you to take abuse from clients or customers? You may have to take criticism or deal with complaints, but I don't think there are many employers who would expect an employee to be swore at, threatened or to stand idly by while their families are abused. You would get some protection from your employer. You have a LEGAL RIGHT to protection from your employer.

So the truth is, the disagreements you are expected to deal with at work are NOTHING LIKE the personal abuse footballers are subjected to.

Let's make one thing clear. The last thing I want is football to be any further sanitised and restricted than it already is. The reason I go to football matches rather than to watch the rugby or something is because I like the tribal, adversarial and edginess of a football crowd. I also don't mind a bit of swearing and most of the banter is pretty funny.

There is an ill-defined line however between what is acceptable and what is clearly not. Some of the funniest chants threaten to cross this line. The problem lies when individuals obliterate the line to make them feel better about failures in their own lives.

To sum up, disappointment is part and parcel of supporting a football team. So man up and take it on the chin. And if you can't...don't go to the football, get some therapy instead.

And if you want a guaranteed happy ending on a Saturday afternoon...go to the cinema!

[Babylon]

If I did my job wrong or for what ever reason was getting abuse off a client/customer the last thing i'd do is stick my fingers up.

Do you work in an emotive job? Konchesky does, and you need to understand the players get frustrated like the fans.

If a customer came up to you and abused you, you'd stand there and take it? We're not talking about someone complaining about an out of date piece of bread here. If someone is swearing and flinging off hand gestures, then you'd be well in your rights to tell them where to go.

[Daggers]

The fact is, far too many supporters behave in an abusive manner towards footballers.

An excessively abusive manner, imho.

As for the rest of your post: outstanding.

[kylestyle06]

Do you work in an emotive job? Konchesky does, and you need to understand the players get frustrated like the fans.

If a customer came up to you and abused you, you'd stand there and take it? We're not talking about someone complaining about an out of date piece of bread here. If someone is swearing and flinging off hand gestures, then you'd be well in your rights to tell them where to go.

I don't work on a bread isle at tesco thank. I'm in a professional line of work where I deal with clients and members of the public. The last thing I do when I get someone being high rate is tell them to '**** off', or stick my finger up. That just isn't professional and would see me losing my job. Konchesky is paid a high salary to play infront of 20,000+ per week, and has been in the game long enough to understand the pressures that come with it.

Just because he's a football player of a team we support doesn't mean his actions are suddenly ok, regardless of the abuse he may have got.

[Babylon]

I don't work on a bread isle at tesco thank. I'm in a professional line of work where I deal with clients and members of the public. The last thing I do when I get someone being high rate is tell them to '**** off', or stick my finger up. That just isn't professional and would see me losing my job. Konchesky is paid a high salary to play infront of 20,000+ per week, and has been in the game long enough to understand the pressures that come with it.

Just because he's a football player of a team we support doesn't mean his actions are suddenly ok, regardless of the abuse he may have got.

I don't care what job you do, whether it's selling bread or million pound deals. (It's "irate" by the way.) If you received the kind of abuse footballers do and you responded you would not lose your job at all, as pointed out above you have a legal right to protection from your employer.

And also as pointed out above, the money you are paid means nothing, why should it make any difference? What does playing for us have to do with it, if it was anyone else I'd be saying the same.

Why don't people spend their time castigating the person abusing their own players for no good reason. It's a game of football for gods sake.

[kylestyle06]

I don't care what job you do, whether it's selling bread or million pound deals. (It's "irate" by the way.) If you received the kind of abuse footballers do and you responded you would not lose your job at all, as pointed out above you have a legal right to protection from your employer.

And also as pointed out above, the money you are paid means nothing, why should it make any difference? What does playing for us have to do with it, if it was anyone else I'd be saying the same.

Why don't people spend their time castigating the person abusing their own players for no good reason. It's a game of football for gods sake.

Oh, really..

So if a referee or linesman turned around and stuck his finger at a support , that'd be ok would it? They get more abuse, so I suppose that would be fine and acceptable would it?

Didn't think so...

[stourbridgefox]

I'm in a professional line of work where I deal with clients and members of the public

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So does this make your opinion more important then? Does it mean you understand Paul Konchesky's situation better than other people?

Part of my job involves being abused and threatened on a regular basis. One of the responses to being abused or threatened I can employ is using controlled aggression to physically bring the situation back under control. The people doing the abusing and threatening are not the frustrated wannabes at a football match but often people with a history and inclination to carry out their threats.

So if we are going one up, I think this beats your stroppy customers and I think I am better placed to understand how Paul Konchesky might feel about this situation

[MGLCFC]

To me it's typical of society today - a total lack of respect, whether it be teachers, firemen, police, nurses, footballers etc it appears some are quick to to be abusive, yet complain when it is given back. Perhaps professionals should be able to restrain themselves, but at what point do people snap. Then it's all the fault of the person loosing their temper. If people were so abusive in a pub, then the result would be a punch up. I don't applaud Konchesky for his actions, but why should he or any footballer have to go to work and put up with this torrent of abuse week in week out, particularly from his own fans. Money is irrelevant, surgeons earn huge sums of money, yet wouldn't expect to be abused so verbally if they were unsuccessful when operating on a patient.

[flowwolf]

So it was one dickhead fan shouting abuse. Twat. Konch should of jumped over the sponser boards

Yeah scissor kicked him in the head, then after a bit of a witch hunt and a suitable ban he could go on to be respected as some sort of sage and gone on to be a movie star. Ain't life fickle . lol lol lol

[kylestyle06]

I'm in a professional line of work where I deal with clients and members of the public

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So does this make your opinion more important then? Does it mean you understand Paul Konchesky's situation better than other people?

Part of my job involves being abused and threatened on a regular basis. One of the responses to being abused or threatened I can employ is using controlled aggression to physically bring the situation back under control. The people doing the abusing and threatening are not the frustrated wannabes at a football match but often people with a history and inclination to carry out their threats.

So if we are going one up, I think this beats your stroppy customers and I think I am better placed to understand how Paul Konchesky might feel about this situation

No it doesn't mean I 'understand his situation better' at all. It means I wouldn't dream of sticking my fingers up or swearing at a customer / client in a million years..

What's my opinion worth though, I'm not a football player.

[Babylon]

Oh, really..

So if a referee or linesman turned around and stuck his finger at a support , that'd be ok would it? They get more abuse, so I suppose that would be fine and acceptable would it?

Didn't think so...

Well I wouldn't moan about it that's for sure. If you wanna dish it out, you better be able to take it in return.

Again though, linesman and refs whilst on the pitch and not going through the same things as the footballer. The fans around them are not their own, their fortunes over a whole season aren't dictated by one result, their tie to what is happening is nothing like as emotional as those of the players and the fans.

This isn't away fans taking a pop at a player, it's his own bloody fans.

[stourbridgefox]

What's my opinion worth though, I'm not a football player.

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Your opinion should be worth the same as anybody else's. But it should also be as open to criticism and stating you are a 'professional' should not lend more weight to it, as you seemed to be suggesting.

I'll be honest, the statement about being a professional got on my nerves. I think because you seem to be assuming that no-one else on this forum will be.

[kylestyle06]

Well I wouldn't moan about it that's for sure. If you wanna dish it out, you better be able to take it in return.

Again though, linesman and refs whilst on the pitch and not going through the same things as the footballer. The fans around them are not their own, their fortunes over a whole season aren't dictated by one result, their tie to what is happening is nothing like as emotional as those of the players and the fans.

This isn't away fans taking a pop at a player, it's his own bloody fans.

I understand that. So you're saying it would of been ok for the likes of Ricardo to turn around and call L1 wankers, when the majority of fans were giving him shit? Fans booing Gallagher so it would of been ok for him to do the same?

I see where your coming from by players getting frustrated, and I can sort of understand his fustration and disappointment.. but to stick his finger up is the wrong way about it, especially at a ''professional' level of sport.

[stourbridgefox]

I would've loved it if Ricardo had given L1 a bit of their own medicine!

[bluesbrothers]

Oooooh, we're stirring the faeces again and jumping to conclusions.

We must have lost yesterday or something.

Bring on next season.

[kylestyle06]

What's my opinion worth though, I'm not a football player.

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Your opinion should be worth the same as anybody else's. But it should also be as open to criticism and stating you are a 'professional' should not lend more weight to it, as you seemed to be suggesting.

I'll be honest, the statement about being a professional got on my nerves. I think because you seem to be assuming that no-one else on this forum will be.

Ok, well in sorry it touched your heart so much.

Whether you're a shelf stacker at tesco, a policeman or a professional football player, you should control the situation and not let your anger get on top. We all get frustrated and want to deck some people from time to time, but you can't rise to it..

Maybe it's the way I am and have been taught, but I can't see it being any different for football players, shouldn't they be role models to little kids?

[stourbridgefox]

Whether you're a shelf stacker, policeman, professional footballer...or football fan?

The thing I've been trying to get across is that some football fans need to grow up and show a bit of self-control. Being a football fan does not give you license to abuse and threaten, any more than being a shelf stacker or policeman does!

Somebody said that if Paul Konchesky is a role model to your kids, you need to take a long, hard look at yourself as a parent. Couldn't agree more with this!