Webbo Posted 26 May 2012 Posted 26 May 2012 The difference is CHOICE... animals die in fields...thats an accident..or natural etc. A horse dieing in a horse race has no choice, the 10 horses that die racing each week have not chosen to be killed. Horses run it's in their nature.
ozleicester Posted 26 May 2012 Posted 26 May 2012 I've never seen anybody spray perfume in a monkey's eye. Why would they? Even if that does happen (which I doubt) it is hardly comparable to horse racing. Spraying stuff in a creature's face is just blatantly cruel whereas many horses actually enjoy racing. I know you will say how could I possibly know that given that horses don't talk but I'd argue that it is clearly apparent when you look at their body language really? youve never heard of it?? Watch this at your peril... To be honest i couldnt sit through it all.. so...im not 100% on what it says
21st Century Fox Posted 26 May 2012 Posted 26 May 2012 I've never seen anybody spray perfume in a monkey's eye. Why would they? Even if that does happen (which I doubt) it is hardly comparable to horse racing. Spraying stuff in a creature's face is just blatantly cruel whereas many horses actually enjoy racing. I know you will say how could I possibly know that given that horses don't talk but I'd argue that it is clearly apparent when you look at their body language It definitely happens! Out of interest how do you read horse body language?
Matt Posted 26 May 2012 Posted 26 May 2012 The difference is CHOICE... animals die in fields...thats an accident..or natural etc. A horse dieing in a horse race has no choice, the 10 horses that die racing each week have not chosen to be killed. I don't know many people or animals for that matter that choose to be killed.
FoxyPV Posted 26 May 2012 Posted 26 May 2012 I don't know many people or animals for that matter that choose to be killed. Check the application list at Digintas
acooling08 Posted 26 May 2012 Author Posted 26 May 2012 I believe that animals should have the same rights as humans. After all, we are all living beings who feel pain and emotion. Imagine the international outrage if humans were bred for racing for enterainment, so I don't see a massive difference with horses. Matt, the point is that the horses are being forced to do something that could potentially kill them.
FoxyPV Posted 26 May 2012 Posted 26 May 2012 I believe that animals should have the same rights as humans. After all, we are all living beings who feel pain and emotion. Imagine the international outrage if humans were bred for racing for enterainment, so I don't see a massive difference with horses. Stallions or fillies, as I know you have mentioned your preference in the human version.
The People's Hero Posted 27 May 2012 Posted 27 May 2012 Perhaps we should ban everything entertaining or potentially harmful. Just to name a few; Boxing Football Cricket All modes of transport Smoking Drinking Fatty Foods Salt Skiing The Sun Mobile Phones Electricity etc etc Then we could all just sit in our homes and watch the economy dwindle and die and live our sad excuses for lives with zero entertainment or value. Oh and still horses would run around and jump fences (and fall and die - happens in nature), catch diseases or just die of old age. We'd have to sit in our very very dark homes (the sun is gone and electricity is harmful) and try to deal with this. Also - racehorses have very good lives but I'm not going to bother arguing with the idiots who think otherwise. Its just a trendy view to knock horseracing at the moment.
acooling08 Posted 2 June 2012 Author Posted 2 June 2012 Perhaps we should ban everything entertaining or potentially harmful. Just to name a few; Boxing Football Cricket All modes of transport Smoking Drinking Fatty Foods Salt Skiing The Sun Mobile Phones Electricity etc etc Boxers choose to box. Footballers choose to play football. Cricketers choose to play Cricket. People choose to use transport. People choose to smoke. People choose to drink. People choose to eat fatty foods. People choose to eat salt. Skiers choose to ski. The sun is just a moronic point to make. But sunbathers choose to sunbathe. People choose to use mobile phones. People choose to use electricity. HORSES DON'T CHOOSE TO RACE! That's the argument. It's that simple. It is basically slavery for horses. Here's an idea, let's go to Africa, kidnapp a village worth of people and let's race them shall we? After all, they'll be looked after well, and I'm sure that Africans will die of natural causes anyway.
ozleicester Posted 3 June 2012 Posted 3 June 2012 jeebus... i never thought it could happen and this might go into his sig... but..... Well said acooling! To the genii who draw comparisons When ever you feel the urge to make a comparison, just ask yourself the question... Did they choose to do it?
Webbo Posted 3 June 2012 Posted 3 June 2012 HORSES DON'T CHOOSE TO RACE! . Has a horse ever told you that?
Zingari Posted 3 June 2012 Posted 3 June 2012 Wild mustangs choose to fight , so maybe we should ban horse racing and have horse boxing instead I’m here to help you reach an amicable compromise folks .
Charl91 Posted 3 June 2012 Posted 3 June 2012 They wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for horse racing though, they are bred specifically for it. ^ This is the worst argument ever. Using that argument you can justify pretty much anything, from child labour to mass murder.
Matt Posted 3 June 2012 Posted 3 June 2012 Do working dog's choose to work? Perhaps that should be banned too. How about Police horse's? Why should they be subject to harm in riot's e.t.c? Fuck it, Let's ban it all.
Haydos Posted 3 June 2012 Posted 3 June 2012 I'm sitting on the fence with all of this but there's one thing I have noticed... The people who don't get the point about it being cruel and forced upon them...I just can't believe how stubborn or downright thick you can be. Do working dog's choose to work? Perhaps that should be banned too. How about Police horse's? Why should they be subject to harm in riot's e.t.c? This must be a joke. I can't believe anyone can have participated in this thread and still come up with shit like this. Firstly, the huge point that horse racing is for entertainment and there are a lot of horses dying for it. You can't genuinely be this stupid. Secondly, what percentage of police horses/dogs/whatever other similar examples you can come up with die from their 'work'?
Matt Posted 3 June 2012 Posted 3 June 2012 I'm sitting on the fence with all of this but there's one thing I have noticed... The people who don't get the point about it being cruel and forced upon them...I just can't believe how stubborn or downright thick you can be. This must be a joke. I can't believe anyone can have participated in this thread and still come up with shit like this. Firstly, the huge point that horse racing is for entertainment and there are a lot of horses dying for it. You can't genuinely be this stupid. Secondly, what percentage of police horses/dogs/whatever other similar examples you can come up with die from their 'work'? The point I was making is animals working and being forced to do something in general not necessarily getting hurt, aimed mostly at aacooling and his 'HORSES DON'T CHOOSE TO RACE', Horses/Dogs/Working Animals don't choose it as aacooling puts it.
ozleicester Posted 7 June 2012 Posted 7 June 2012 The (Australian) 2012 Jumps racing season has been active for little over a month, and already three horses are dead. Jotilla died in the very first race of the Victorian season, while Virvacity & Art Success - two horses who without doubt should not have been racing, were both killed at the Oakbank Racing Club's Easter Carnival.... http://www.banjumpsracing.com/ FAQ (even absurd ones) http://www.banjumpsracing.com/faq.html
SOCCERROO FOX Posted 7 June 2012 Posted 7 June 2012 The (Australian) 2012 Jumps racing season has been active for little over a month, and already three horses are dead. Jotilla died in the very first race of the Victorian season, while Virvacity & Art Success - two horses who without doubt should not have been racing, were both killed at the Oakbank Racing Club's Easter Carnival.... http://www.banjumpsracing.com/ FAQ (even absurd ones) http://www.banjumpsracing.com/faq.html Hahaha what a stupid article, "Viracity and Art success two horses who shouldn't of been racing" Then nothing to substaniate why they shouldn't of been racing. Viracity was an absolute cat on the flat and was going to be put down as a 3yr old except they decided before it's last start, before they were going to cut there loses and put the horse down, to try him over the fences and he went well enough to persist with a jumps career. Whilst Viracity wasn't a world beater it certainitly made a decent career out of jumps racing and had it's life extended because of it. Won the Galleywood in 2006 $100k race and the Von Dousa a couple of years later. Wonder where this horse would of been if jumps racing didn't exsist?
ozleicester Posted 7 June 2012 Posted 7 June 2012 Hahaha what a stupid article, "Viracity and Art success two horses who shouldn't of been racing" Then nothing to substaniate why they shouldn't of been racing. Viracity was an absolute cat on the flat and was going to be put down as a 3yr old except they decided before it's last start, before they were going to cut there loses and put the horse down, to try him over the fences and he went well enough to persist with a jumps career. Whilst Viracity wasn't a world beater it certainitly made a decent career out of jumps racing and had it's life extended because of it. Won the Galleywood in 2006 $100k race and the Von Dousa a couple of years later. Wonder where this horse would of been if jumps racing didn't exsist? Q What will happen to these horses if jumps racing is banned? Wont they be sent to the knackery? A Jumps horses are usually unsuccessful flats gallopers that are at the end of their racing careers who are either re-homed or sent to the knackery. Last year its estimated that nearly 18,000 “excess” thoroughbreds were sent to slaughter. Jumps racing may take 200 – 300 of these a year but half of those don’t ever race and those that do have very short careers (50% have less than 5 starts and only 11% have more than 20 starts). They are then either re-homed or sent to slaughter. Horses that have not been jumped have a higher chance of being re-homed as they do not have injuries that make them unattractive to those looking for horses for other equestrian disciplines. As to the discussion that Jumps racing gives failed flat horses a second chance. The perccentage of horses employed in jumps racing compared to the percentage that leave the industry every year (never to be seen again) is quite negligable. To further look at the number of horses who play an active part in jumps racing - look on our facts page
Guest MattP Posted 7 June 2012 Posted 7 June 2012 Why don't you answer Socceroos point rather than another boring copy and paste? You made a point that was clearly incorrect and you have now just decided to ignore it.
ADK Posted 7 June 2012 Posted 7 June 2012 I don't mind horse racing but i do believe measures should be taken to protect the horses (and jockeys) where possible.
Danno Posted 7 June 2012 Posted 7 June 2012 They were and are still used for carrying things... that could kill them aswell.
ozleicester Posted 3 July 2012 Posted 3 July 2012 Why don't you answer Socceroos point rather than another boring copy and paste? You made a point that was clearly incorrect and you have now just decided to ignore it. " Viracity was an absolute cat on the flat and was going to be put down as a 3yr old except they decided before it's last start, before they were going to cut there loses and put the horse down, to try him over the fences and he went well enough to persist with a jumps career" I thought i addressed ROO's point, which i understood to be my statement that the Horses should not have been racing... the horses were unsuccessful flat runners and only were running in jumps as a last opportunity before being killed as failed race horses. That makes sense to me, but if you dont understand or if you think i have missed the point, feel free to let me know your thoughts. By the way.. in the (less than)1 month since you posted your reply... a further 9.. thats NINE horses have died or been put down at racetracks in the UK. Still hopefully you are enjoying the races.
Guest MattP Posted 3 July 2012 Posted 3 July 2012 Yes I am, always enjoy the races, wonderful sport wonderful day out. It was a good decision to put those horses over the jumps, like Michael said, it would a couple of fantastic races rather than be put down. I went to Royal Ascot a couple of weeks ago, flat racing is far more ghastly than the jumps, people aren't even real racing fans.
purpleronnie Posted 4 April 2013 Posted 4 April 2013 Grand National meeting: Horse dies after Aintree collapse The Fox Hunters' Chase, the big race for amateur jockeys on the opening day of the Aintree Festival, was overshadowed by the death of Katie Walsh's mount Battlefront. The 11-year-old, trained by Walsh's father Ted and owned by her mother Helen, collapsed and died after being pulled up at the 11th fence. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/horse-racing/22032810
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