People get mad over sensible advice regarding rape

[MooseBreath]

The poster below reads "Don't let a night full of promise... turn into a morning full of regret. Don't leave youself more vulnerable to regretful sex or even rape. Drink sensibly and get home safely."

West Murcia police put the poster up in pubs and bars but had to take it down and apologise after fat, ugly feminists who never need to worry about being raped described it as "appalling" and explained that "it's not alcohol that causes rape, it's rapists that cause rape."

Yes indeed. But isn't that a bit like saying "it's not walking around south London with a £5,000 rolex which causes theft, it's thiefs that cause theft." Of course it is, but why would advising people not to walk around south London with a £5,000 rolex on show ever be appalling? It's sensible advice.

Reminds me of those slutwalkers, and in particular the one's who got ran over, i think it was in Brazil or somewhere. A couple of them got injured. They were walking in the middle of the road. Of course it's not walking in the middle of the road which causes people to get ran over, it's bad drivers that cause people to get ran over, but even so, maybe if they'd have taken the advice not to walk in the middle of the road they wouldn't have actually been ran over.

These feminists need to pipe down. I don't mean that in an aggresive way. But they're making themselves look like absolute idiots. You can apply this situation to almost any in the world and there is never anything wrong with giving sensible, cautionary advice, but as soon as it involves women specifically the feminists jump at the chance to pretend to be offended and in doing so make themselvs look like a bunch of twats.

[Fox92]

They should not remove those posters. You're right, it is sensible advice (just like you see them regarding driving and theft). People, especially younger girls, need to see these posters IMO. Taking them down is poor.

[Jaspa]

I wonder if ozleicester will have any views on this matter ?

[marty78]

How do you know the feminists were fat and ugly or had never been or need to worry about being raped?

I don't see a problem with the posters though. Saying that I am sure most young men and women that go out and get leathered know they are putting themselves at risk of either serious injury by accident or as the victim of a violent crime. A reminder doesn't hurt though I suppose.

[Guest Bilo]

fat, ugly feminists who never need to worry about being raped

Reminds me of those slutwalkers

These feminists need to pipe down.

Charming way to make your point, got to love a bit of misogyny.

You have a fair point in there somewhere but the phrasing you've used is frankly disturbing.

[Trav Le Bleu]

Too many people want it all without any of the consequences.

It's always someone else's fault.

[LcFc_Smiv]

They should not remove those posters. You're right, it is sensible advice (just like you see them regarding driving and theft). People, especially younger girls, need to see these posters IMO. Taking them down is poor.

On nights out at uni it's disturbing how many girls you see that have had far too much, all over the place and don't have a clue what they are doing. We went out with a group of friends before christmas and one of the girls had far too much, we lost her during the night and she wasn't answering her phone. A few of our mates were out front having a smoke when they saw 3 guys supporting her walking away from the club, one of our mates intervened and they told him it was fine they would take her back to theirs and he didn't need to get involved. Luckily a few more people came to see what the argument was and we managed to get her back to the flat, that scared her and she's been far more sensible since.

[fleckneymike]

The poster below reads "Don't let a night full of promise... turn into a morning full of regret. Don't leave youself more vulnerable to regretful sex or even rape. Drink sensibly and get home safely."

West Murcia police put the poster up in pubs and bars but had to take it down and apologise after fat, ugly feminists who never need to worry about being raped described it as "appalling" and explained that "it's not alcohol that causes rape, it's rapists that cause rape."

Yes indeed. But isn't that a bit like saying "it's not walking around south London with a £5,000 rolex which causes theft, it's thiefs that cause theft." Of course it is, but why would advising people not to walk around south London with a £5,000 rolex on show ever be appalling? It's sensible advice.

Reminds me of those slutwalkers, and in particular the one's who got ran over, i think it was in Brazil or somewhere. A couple of them got injured. They were walking in the middle of the road. Of course it's not walking in the middle of the road which causes people to get ran over, it's bad drivers that cause people to get ran over, but even so, maybe if they'd have taken the advice not to walk in the middle of the road they wouldn't have actually been ran over.

These feminists need to pipe down. I don't mean that in an aggresive way. But they're making themselves look like absolute idiots. You can apply this situation to almost any in the world and there is never anything wrong with giving sensible, cautionary advice, but as soon as it involves women specifically the feminists jump at the chance to pretend to be offended and in doing so make themselvs look like a bunch of twats.

I think you've oversimplified the argument somewhat. Undoubtedly excess alcohol makes you more susceptible to many things due to impaired judgement but to imply that a persons drinking led to their rape does carry connotations of blame when in fact al the blame lies with the attacker. The wording of the poster carried these connotations as it mentioned both 'regretful sex or rape' in the same sentence.

[Thracian]

Having been raped after becoming the worse for wear on drink, I wonder how many women would, in retrospect, behave more sensibly.

Of course there's no excuse for people taking advantage of the situation but there's no doubt there are some who do and the police posters seem like a perfectly sensible way of warning women about the potential consequences if they drink themselves legless.

Whether women who drink themselves stupid are likely to take the advice offered is another matter but the tone of the posters seems only the kind that a concerned father might give to his teenaged daughter.

The "feminist" view is just claptrap...and of no value to anyone who has actually been raped or who's left herself vulnerable to unwanted attention because of her inebriated state.

Would anyone willingly walk alongside a motorway because the vehicles are supposed to stay in the three main lanes? Of course not, so why proclaim that rapists cause rape when simply encouraging women to act more sensibly might well help them avoid such unpleasantness.

[Trav Le Bleu]

I think you've oversimplified the argument somewhat. Undoubtedly excess alcohol makes you more susceptible to many things due to impaired judgement but to imply that a persons drinking led to their rape does carry connotations of blame when in fact al the blame lies with the attacker. The wording of the poster carried these connotations as it mentioned both 'regretful sex or rape' in the same sentence.

If you drive without a seatbelt and are injured/killed by someone crashing into you, it's still their fault, but sensible precautions on your own part could have prevented it.

Same difference.

[Raw Dykes]

Essentially, the people in favour of removing the posters are encouraging people to pretend that rapists don't exist, which is really fvcking stupid.

[fleckneymike]

If you drive without a seatbelt and are injured/killed by someone crashing into you, it's still their fault, but sensible precautions on your own part could have prevented it.

Same difference.

It's not the same difference at all.

1. A person who choses not to wear a seat belt is both breaking the law and willingly putting their own life in danger by ignoring the safety benefits of a seat belt. A woman or man who choses to drink is not inviting other people to sexually assault them.

2. A rapist intentionally rapes you, they don't accidentally rape you. To the best of my knowledge the overwhelming majority of car crashes are entirely accidental.

[Captain...]

When legally you are classed as having been raped if you were too drunk to give consent, even if you consented when drunk, this is sound advice, so having sex when really drunk does mean you've been raped.

But that is a slightly different point, the posters are a warning, getting drunk leaves you vulnerable to rapists, but also to thieves, muggers, being ripped off by taxi drivers, run overetc. Then men are also more vulnerable when drunk too.

Basically know the risks, there is no guarantee you will not get raped if you stay sober, but why risk increasing the odds by getting paralytic.

[Guest Col city fan]

When legally you are classed as having been raped if you were too drunk to give consent, even if you consented when drunk, this is sound advice, so having sex when really drunk does mean you've been raped.

But that is a slightly different point, the posters are a warning, getting drunk leaves you vulnerable to rapists, but also to thieves, muggers, being ripped off by taxi drivers, run overetc. Then men are also more vulnerable when drunk too.

Basically know the risks, there is no guarantee you will not get raped if you stay sober, but why risk increasing the odds by getting paralytic.

Wasnt the Ched Evans rape charge based upon the girls defence being that she was too drunk to know whether she had given consent or not?

I think it was?

There does seem to be more binge drinking in the City Centres these days. And more young girls seem to be completely paralytic than I'm sure I used to see.

[fleckneymike]

Wasnt the Ched Evans rape charge based upon the girls defence being that she was too drunk to know whether she had given consent or not?

I think it was?

There does seem to be more binge drinking in the City Centres these days. And more young girls seem to be completely paralytic than I'm sure I used to see.

Nita Dowell, senior crown prosecutor in Wales, said: "Ched Evans took advantage of a vulnerable young woman who was in no fit state to consent to sexual activity.

"It is a myth that being vulnerable through alcohol consumption means that a victim is somehow responsible for being raped. The law is clear: being vulnerable through drink or drugs does not imply consent."

[Guest Col city fan]

Nita Dowell, senior crown prosecutor in Wales, said: "Ched Evans took advantage of a vulnerable young woman who was in no fit state to consent to sexual activity.

"It is a myth that being vulnerable through alcohol consumption means that a victim is somehow responsible for being raped. The law is clear: being vulnerable through drink or drugs does not imply consent."

Cheers Mike, I thought that was the case.

The whole vulnerability thing is the key I guess. Get yourself completely pissed and you lose control both of yourself and over the situation you find yourself in.

[Rincewind]

Rapists do not worry if the woman is 'fat and ugly' I see little wrong with the warning. Maybe it should be worded different as it implys that rapists just goe for drunk girls. Maybe something about being aware to dangers. We don't know the full explanation of the objection. The OP was a little one sided.

[z-layrex]

When legally you are classed as having been raped if you were too drunk to give consent, even if you consented when drunk, this is sound advice, so having sex when really drunk does mean you've been raped.

But that is a slightly different point, the posters are a warning, getting drunk leaves you vulnerable to rapists, but also to thieves, muggers, being ripped off by taxi drivers, run overetc. Then men are also more vulnerable when drunk too.

Basically know the risks, there is no guarantee you will not get raped if you stay sober, but why risk increasing the odds by getting paralytic.

If you were both smashed when you did it does that mean you both raped each other?

[Captain...]

If you were both smashed when you did it does that mean you both raped each other?

Nope just the man, that's equality for you

[ADK]

I said in the Ched Evans rape thread that women who get raped after having too much to drink are partially at fault. It's not about victim blaming but hoping to educate people about the dangers of drinking.

[Danno]

So technically if you have a one night stand when you're drunk you're a rapist?

[Rincewind]

What is a young mans intention when he goes out on the town and starts chatting up a girl he likes? Whould he refuse to buy her a drink because she might say yes when maybe she means no?

[Finnegan]

It ****ing depresses me how sickening some people's views still are to sex and gender.

I genuinely can't be bothered with this "debate," if FoxyPV wants to tear some insipid troll to pieces on behalf of contemporary feminism then I'll happily sit and watch but this is just another sad attempt at controversial from Chandler.

[Guest Bilo]

It ****ing depresses me how sickening some people's views still are to sex and gender.

I genuinely can't be bothered with this "debate," if FoxyPV wants to tear some insipid troll to pieces on behalf of contemporary feminism then I'll happily sit and watch but this is just another sad attempt at controversial from Chandler.

Is it me or are his alter egos getting progressively more idiotic?

Pretending to be an Anglophobic Serbian football "expert" was one thing, but becoming the forum's Richard Littlejohn is quite another.

[sphericalfox]

It ****ing depresses me how sickening some people's views still are to sex and gender.

I genuinely can't be bothered with this "debate," if FoxyPV wants to tear some insipid troll to pieces on behalf of contemporary feminism then I'll happily sit and watch but this is just another sad attempt at controversial from Chandler.

agreed, another poor attempt at 'riling' fellow posters with idiocy.