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Safe Standing - Support the Early Day motion

By purpleronnie, in Leicester City Forum

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Corky

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Talksport had a good debate, Peter Dakin (I believe) put in a coherent and persuasive idea for safe standing to be brought in.

The issue is that I think some who are against it reckon it will be a return of unsafe, overcrowded terraces, when it's clearly not.

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The Year Of The Fox

The Year Of The Fox

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Talksport had a good debate, Peter Dakin (I believe) put in a coherent and persuasive idea for safe standing to be brought in.

The issue is that I think some who are against it reckon it will be a return of unsafe, overcrowded terraces, when it's clearly not.

Thats long been a flawed argument.

Anyone after viewing the safe standing roadshow csnnot have a feasible argument against it.

Its just a matter of publicity and us shouting louder than them

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Kitchandro

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I honestly believe this is a turning point. It's the first time I have heard a media outlet talk so openly and positively about such a traditionally taboo topic. So refreshing not to hear an 'expert' suggest that it would be a return to the dark ages.

Give it a week and Mr Dalglish will have his say...

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purpleronnie

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I still think the people who are actually against it believe that we want to bring back the terraces of old and I doubt they have seen the safe standing model at all, so hopefully with the safe standing roadshow doing such a good job educating fans and clubs officials alike those uneducated responses will eventually dissapear.

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I still think the people who are actually against it believe that we want to bring back the terraces of old and I doubt they have seen the safe standing model at all, so hopefully with the safe standing roadshow doing such a good job educating fans and clubs officials alike those uneducated responses will eventually dissapear.

Bring back the terraces of old!

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Lobsterboyuk

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I think, thankfully, more and more in the media are seeing the Hillsborough families are irrelevant to the debate.

Used to be you couldn't read an article on the subject unless their opinion was sought. Now the truth has come out I think journalists are less afraid about getting hammered for not getting a token quote from them.

Specialist media and relatively progressive papers. Can you really see the Sun doing an editorial that dismisses the opinions of the Hillsborough families. Predict that the Mail and Express will enjoy writing large the opinions of the families as well. Slagging off those dreadful hooligans at will.

That's potentially a lot of voters for a government to piss off. I fear it's all too emotive for common sense to win the day.

Good luck though to FSF etc, keep plugging away and maybe they'll actually understand what is being proposed rather than just rolling down the shutters and saying "no way".

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Kitchandro

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Had a letter from a Hugh Robertson 'Minister for Sport and Tourism', forwarded by our local MP. He basically says what all the others have been saying, that he'd need 'all parties', including the police, to support it before he 'could even consider it'.

Again though, that is surely not right, as an MP you are supposed to talk for the majority, not the minority just because they are the authorities. If the police cannot handle football fans standing up then it is they who need to have a look at themselves.

This is of course a cop out, if you'll excuse the pun, because in reality he clearly has no interest in supporting it, and since he knows the police won't either, he can pin it on them.

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Dan LCFC

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The only argument I can see against it is cost, and even that shouldn't be significant but I've got no doubt Leicester would have some more stupid plans like a fair ground and "winter wonderland" and all that kind of crap before this kind of thing is even considered.

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Lobsterboyuk

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Had a letter from a Hugh Robertson 'Minister for Sport and Tourism', forwarded by our local MP. He basically says what all the others have been saying, that he'd need 'all parties', including the police, to support it before he 'could even consider it'.

Again though, that is surely not right, as an MP you are supposed to talk for the majority, not the minority just because they are the authorities. If the police cannot handle football fans standing up then it is they who need to have a look at themselves.

This is of course a cop out, if you'll excuse the pun, because in reality he clearly has no interest in supporting it, and since he knows the police won't either, he can pin it on them.

I had one of these today as well, courtesy of Andrew Robathan. Is there any concept of "national" policing - I thought it was really regional. Shame we didn't get the Labour candidate as our PCC, that's LCFC off the list of any safe standing trial clubs :cry:

Letter also mentioned that the Sports Grounds Safety Authority is responsible for this issue and they will review the Safe Standing Roadshow video produced on a visit to Germany.

I'm a bit more optimistic having read this letter, the door isn't open for safe standing to proceed but it hasn't been slammed shut just yet.

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halferowley2

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I had one of these today as well, courtesy of Andrew Robathan. Is there any concept of "national" policing - I thought it was really regional. Shame we didn't get the Labour candidate as our PCC, that's LCFC off the list of any safe standing trial clubs :cry:

Letter also mentioned that the Sports Grounds Safety Authority is responsible for this issue and they will review the Safe Standing Roadshow video produced on a visit to Germany.

I'm a bit more optimistic having read this letter, the door isn't open for safe standing to proceed but it hasn't been slammed shut just yet.

Had a letter from my MP for Market Harborough said exactly the same, must be the standard government reply

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DANGEROUS TIGER

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I believe it is to do with Health and Safety" directives, that most clubs have all seater stadiums, in order to cover themselves.

Food for thought though, and perhaps a little ammo for those wishing to push for standing, is the fact that at Welford Road we DO have terracing, which I always use when attending.

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Kitchandro

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I thought these things had seats on them, if that is the case why don't they call them something like high seating which detracts from the standing definition that I suspect is putting mp's, police and safety officers off from backing them.

They may be a bunch of ignoramuses but they're not that stupid lol

I can just imagine football fans in these 'high seating' contraptions

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Poakey

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Jake Humphrey â€@mrjakehumphrey

Love to see us follow the Bundesliga example and have a small percentage of standing at Prem Games. It can be safe if fans behave properly..

Seems to be getting alot of publicity these days, can only be good.

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Harry - LCFC

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http://www.bbc.co.uk...otball/20679867

Margeret's opinion is the major problem here, completely ignorant of the concept behind the proposals. Yes she lost her son at Hillsborough, but it's this kind of attitude which will stop safe standing trials being introduced for a fair few years yet.

I don't mean any offence to her or any others who've lost relatives but it's clear that her judgement has been clouded by past events, I can't imagine she realises the difference between what's currently being proposed and what there actually was at Hillsborough during the disaster. Unfortunately, many other people don't choose not to see this difference too. Extremely disappointing that the proposal isn't being given a fair trial, very undemocratic.

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Kitchandro

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http://www.bbc.co.uk...otball/20679867

Margeret's opinion is the major problem here, completely ignorant of the concept behind the proposals. Yes she lost her son at Hillsborough, but it's this kind of attitude which will stop safe standing trials being introduced for a fair few years yet.

Some of the things these people say never fail to amaze me:

I do not think there is anything safe about standing.

That doesn't make any sense dear. Nor can you give any valid reasons for why you think that, you only have bitterness and grief.

I feel insulted that people are trying to fight for justice for Hillsborough while this campaign is growing.

Her own son died at Hillsborough and yet she clearly has no idea what the Justice for the 96 campaign is about! lol

The thing that gets me about this debate is that one side has well-reasoned, well thought out points backed up with factual evidence and common sense, and the other side has only childish, baseless cliches for arguments that are bordering on the retarded.

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