Pearson In/Out

[Rocky Dennis]

pearsons puppet is know on this forum

Can you answer the question know!

[Guest Col city fan]

If he has been at the club as long as Pearson has and never shown any sign that he can improve on his obvious weak points then yes, of course. I don't think he is capable of getting us promoted. That being the case, what is the point?

There seems to be a bizarre cult of loyalty to Pearson because he has managed to perform better than some of the worst managers in our history. I hope my my bosses judge my professional performance against the targets I'm set (and the high standards I set for myself) rather than some of the poorest performers in my field. I'd find the latter approach quite insulting.

You'd do well to learn that people don't disagree with you because they are 'idiotic' or 'mongoloids', by the way. Once in a while it is worth taking a step back and asking whether the reason people disgree with you on a particular point is because you are indeed wrong.

Step back 18 months mate.

The same 'cult of loyalty' existed even more strongly, when we had Sven at the helm. And, incidentally, continued for some time even after his sacking.

I was literally pelted on here for weeks for even daring to suggest that Sven was a nice man, but a plonker of a manager.

[Rocky Dennis]

If he has been at the club as long as Pearson has and never shown any sign that he can improve on his obvious weak points then yes, of course. I don't think he is capable of getting us promoted. That being the case, what is the point?

There seems to be a bizarre cult of loyalty to Pearson because he has managed to perform better than some of the worst managers in our history. I hope my my bosses judge my professional performance against the targets I'm set (and the high standards I set for myself) rather than some of the poorest performers in my field. I'd find the latter approach quite insulting.

You'd do well to learn that people don't disagree with you because they are 'idiotic' or 'mongoloids', by the way. Once in a while it is worth taking a step back and asking whether the reason people disgree with you on a particular point is because you are indeed wrong.

Not sure I get your point?

This manager, only a few weeks ago took this group of players to 2nd in the league, winning all games in January, picking up 'Manager of the Month' on the way. (as voted for by football professionals, not people on a forum)

Impossible to disagree with that, no?

Now he should be sacked?

Tell me, did you want O'Neill sacked back in the day?

[teblin]

If he has been at the club as long as Pearson has and never shown any sign that he can improve on his obvious weak points then yes, of course. I don't think he is capable of getting us promoted. That being the case, what is the point?

There seems to be a bizarre cult of loyalty to Pearson because he has managed to perform better than some of the worst managers in our history. I hope my my bosses judge my professional performance against the targets I'm set (and the high standards I set for myself) rather than some of the poorest performers in my field. I'd find the latter approach quite insulting.

You'd do well to learn that people don't disagree with you because they are 'idiotic' or 'mongoloids', by the way. Once in a while it is worth taking a step back and asking whether the reason people disgree with you on a particular point is because you are indeed wrong.

Maybe the insults aren't the best idea. However his point about the next manager are. If Pearson gets the sack tomorrow. A new man in charge by derby and he fails to win a game this season, would you want him sacked too?

[LJS]

Not sure I get your point?

This manager, only a few weeks ago took this group of players to 2nd in the league, winning all games in January, picking up 'Manager of the Month' on the way. (as voted for by football professionals, not people on a forum)

Impossible to disagree with that, no?

Now he should be sacked?

Tell me, did you want O'Neill sacked back in the day?

If you want to take a single month over a total of almost three and a half years then that is up to you. Perhaps you should ask yourself why, having got this group of players into the top two on a couple of occasions this season, Pearson has proven incapable of maintaining the momentum necessary to them there. Indeed we have capitulated almost immediately on both occasions this season.

And let's not pretend that 'professionals' elected him as Manager of the Month for January based on any professional expertise. They did so because he had won every game that month. There was no science to it. There are plenty of professionals in the game who know bugger all. That's the beauty of football. Unlike other professions the fans are often in a position to know more to know more than some of the professionals. We all watch the same stuff.

Anyway, back to your questions. Yes, it is impossible to disagree that Pearson took this side to second in the league a few weeks back. So what? That has proven to be a rare event over the course of his tenure. The evidence suggests that he isn't capable of maintaining such a position.

Should he be sacked? In my view, yes. His brief is to win promotion. I don't think that he will do so. In which case I don't see the point in keeping him on 'just in case'. I'd be content enough to hang on until the end of the season if necessary and delighted of he manages to prove me wrong. But I don't think he will and I wouldn't be disappointed to hear that he has lost his job tomorrow.

On to your question on O'Neill. I assume you refer to his poor start with us when asking whether I wanted him sacked. The obvious answer is no. O'Neill has been in charge for only sixteen games following the Sheffield United debacle. Pearson has had as many months as that in his second spell alone. Not that the two men are comparable. I've supported this club for almost twenty years. In that time I have seen three managers more talented than Pearson in charge; O'Neill himself, Brian Little, and Micky Adams. All achieved promotion to the top flight on relative shoestring budgets. This bloke is nothing special and is certainly not worthy of the blind support he receives from some quarters.

[LJS]

Maybe the insults aren't the best idea. However his point about the next manager are. If Pearson gets the sack tomorrow. A new man in charge by derby and he fails to win a game this season, would you want him sacked too?

I answered the question. Obviously not. The new man wouldn't have had the time that Pearson has to get things right. Or the financial support. It's a ridiculous question. If a comparison is going to be posed at least make it like for like. Nobody is arguing that Pearson should go based on a single defeat. Having to set the terms of the debate within such narrow parameters suggests a week argument on the other side. That's a shame because there are actually good arguments for keeping the bloke on. I've made them myself in the past. I just happen to have changed my mind.

EDIT: I misread your post. If any new man failed to win a game for the rest of the season then of course I'd question the appointment. Whether I'd want him out would depend on peformances as well as results. If it was Sousa-esque stuff then yes, I'd want him gone. Wanting Pearson out doesn't mean I'd have to like his successor. I judge each manager on their merits.

[smudger63]

Not sure I get your point?

This manager, only a few weeks ago took this group of players to 2nd in the league, winning all games in January, picking up 'Manager of the Month' on the way. (as voted for by football professionals, not people on a forum)

Impossible to disagree with that, no?

Now he should be sacked?

Tell me, did you want O'Neill sacked back in the day?

Sven had a similar run in his first season with us, so was it wrong to sack him because he had a good run of results at one time.

Sven was sacked when only a couple of points off the play offs, and in fact, had we beaten Millwall on the saturday before, would have actually been in a play off spot.

You will now be hard pressed to find a city fan with a good word for sven.

Before yesterday i wanted Pearson to stay until the end of the season, at least.

I just didn`t see the point in changing so close to the end of this season, and hoped that Pearson would turn it round, despite some woefull and inept performances of late.

Yesterday changed my mind.

In a game where the players would have been fully aware of the growing pressure on Pearson, they showed absolutely no evidence that they wanted to fight to save Pearsons job, or were even bothered.

That for me is a very worrying sign.

I really do not believe anymore, that if we keep Pearson, he will turn it round and we will make the play offs, so i don`t believe we have anything to lose, by getting rid now, and bringing someone else in.

If we do and we make the play offs, then it was worth taking the chance, if we don`t make the play offs, well at least the new manager will have an idea of the players at his disposal for next season first hand, rather than having to spend the summer watching dvds of our games from this season, to form an opinion.

[johnny the fox]

Jonny fox I am struggling to find an opinion in anything you post other than stating that you know for a fact that thais Pearson is a gonna.

Do you want him to stay?

These people have shelled out close 100 million quid. of their money . my or your opinion means nowt .Thats my "opinion" . time is running out and so is the money, Mr. Pearson will be held responsible for it,

[wurmer]

Sven had a similar run in his first season with us, so was it wrong to sack him because he had a good run of results at one time.

Sven was sacked when only a couple of points off the play offs, and in fact, had we beaten Millwall on the saturday before, would have actually been in a play off spot.

You will now be hard pressed to find a city fan with a good word for sven.

Before yesterday i wanted Pearson to stay until the end of the season, at least.

I just didn`t see the point in changing so close to the end of this season, and hoped that Pearson would turn it round, despite some woefull and inept performances of late.

Yesterday changed my mind.

In a game where the players would have been fully aware of the growing pressure on Pearson, they showed absolutely no evidence that they wanted to fight to save Pearsons job, or were even bothered.

That for me is a very worrying sign.

I really do not believe anymore, that if we keep Pearson, he will turn it round and we will make the play offs, so i don`t believe we have anything to lose, by getting rid now, and bringing someone else in.

If we do and we make the play offs, then it was worth taking the chance, if we don`t make the play offs, well at least the new manager will have an idea of the players at his disposal for next season first hand, rather than having to spend the summer watching dvds of our games from this season, to form an opinion.

A good word for Sven - Cocksmith

[johnny the fox]

A good word for Sven - Cocksmith

Sven is being blamed for spending or wasting money, but he was just following the owners remit to get up as quickly as possible, how else was he to do it with a average squad?. I believe the owners lost their nerve and pulled the trigger. This is the way people who have only known success act. I see a repeat ..

http://foxblogger.wordpress.com/2013/03/10/what-leicester-citys-finances-mean-for-nigel-pearsons-future/? a bit of context..

[stevelcfc]

In short, if we don't get promotion we are, financially speaking, ****ed, so the owners need to do whatever they can to get us up and if that means sacking Pearson then so be it. However should we not go up, there is only a few managers who stand a chance of cutting £22 million out of the club, and one is Pearson.

[Rocky Dennis]

If you want to take a single month over a total of almost three and a half years then that is up to you.

I also include the League 1 Championship win,and the top 6 finish the following season.

Remember those?

[Cropwellfox]

In short, if we don't get promotion we are, financially speaking, ****ed, so the owners need to do whatever they can to get us up and if that means sacking Pearson then so be it. However should we not go up, there is only a few managers who stand a chance of cutting £22 million out of the club, and one is Pearson.

That's the big problem we have - the losses we are incurring this year will be somewhere around the £15-£20m mark again, and it is going to be very difficult to get rid of Beckford and other high wage earners in the summer without paying off contracts and incurring even more loss. Miss out this season and the long-term future of the club is in real jeapordy. Maybe it's this which is affecting the confidence and form of the staff.

[LJS]

I also include the League 1 Championship win,and the top 6 finish the following season.

Remember those?

I do, and I also include them in my assessment. Tell me, which of those demonstrate an ability to get us out of this league?

Promotion from League One was the least that should have been expected. I'm glad we got out at the first attempt and Pearson deserves credit for that, but anything else would have been failure. The following season was also a relative success but I have never felt that it was the overachievement many seem to think. We should always be striving for at least that sort of finish in this league. Again, I'm glad we finished where we did and I enjoyed the season but I don't see what relevance it has now.

We are better resourced now and have different expectations. Pearson's first spell does nothing to suggest that he can meet those expectations. Norwich and Southampton both bettered our first season back in the second tier in the two seasons which followed, by the way. If anything Pearson's 5th place finish in his second season and our current position - both attained in very different contexts - suggest that Pearson has a ceiling and that he has hit it.

Perhaps the problem is that you see top six finishes in this league as success? I do also so long as there is promotion at the end of it. Without that it's pretty pointless.

[birdwith2beaksandnofriends]

Aside from what we all want - what do we sense at the moment the Thais might do?

I think whilst results have been awful recently, they desperately want to go up this year and that was no doubt the brief and with an element of the crowd wanting him gone AND the fact that POSSIBLY the players don't believe in him or his methods and look rudderless, the issue is what will the Thais do.

Do they keep the faith and back him to turn it round, or a quick gamble on a new man to inject some momentum and belief again, get a reaction and get up?

Because to a large extent, our own thoughts are immaterial. However much we love the club, we don't have £100s of millions of stake!

[flowwolf]

Let's all calm down, yes we are all very very disappointed but, let's re-group, get behind the team for the rest of the season and go from there. KEEP THE FAITH

Blind faith you mean ? He has got to go it's as simple as that. The owners know that as well. Imagine what the season ticket sales will be like next season if we are still in this league ( highly likely ) and Pearson is still the manager ? .

What have we got to lose if we get rid of him now , Because he is not even going to keep us in a playoff spot and it's obvious that he has lost the players support. Get rid now and at least with a new guy in we still may have a chance in the playoffs stick with him and it's season over.

[birdwith2beaksandnofriends]

Blind faith you mean ? He has got to go it's as simple as that. The owners know that as well. Imagine what the season ticket sales will be like next season if we are still in this league ( highly likely ) and Pearson is still the manager ? .

What have we now got to lose if we get rid of him now , Because he is not even going to keep us in a playoff spot and it's obvious that he has lost the players support. Get rid now and at least with a new guy in we still may have a chance in the playoffs stick with him and it's season over.

I have to agree with this, it seems that with NP we are doomed to slip out of the play offs. So why not gamble?

[LJS]

Aside from what we all want - what do we sense at the moment the Thais might do?

I think whilst results have been awful recently, they desperately want to go up this year and that was no doubt the brief and with an element of the crowd wanting him gone AND the fact that POSSIBLY the players don't believe in him or his methods and look rudderless, the issue is what will the Thais do.

Do they keep the faith and back him to turn it round, or a quick gamble on a new man to inject some momentum and belief again, get a reaction and get up?

Because to a large extent, our own thoughts are immaterial. However much we love the club, we don't have £100s of millions of stake!

Our thoughts are immaterial to some extent, yes. But I don't doubt that people at the club monitor fora such as this and will not take a positive view of their customers feeling the manager is the wrong one. Our owners seem to me to be very customer focused in their approach. It's a bit of a con, of course, but they like to be popular. They won't stick with a manager who is unpopular unless he looks nailed on to win them lots of cash with promotion. He doesn't, so they won't. I'm not sure if the tipping point has come yet but it isn't far off, I suspect.

[Harry - LCFC]

Do you think getting behind the players wins us points? If that's the case we would have had 3 points from Peterborough away, where we had 5,000 fans singing and getting behind the players all game.

If I pay my money for a ticket and want to go on my phone throughout the match its got fvck all to do with you or anyone else.

Try it the next time you go to a game. Go on your phone for 5-10 minutes see if it makes any difference to the outcome of the game.

Ok fair enough, one person doesn't make a difference but it's the principle of it. Why bother buying a ticket if you're going to use your time for something else? May as well stay at home and keep your negativity away from the KP.

I find the way that you almost encourage people to become disinterested in a football match they're attending quite astonishing.

[birdwith2beaksandnofriends]

Our thoughts are immaterial to some extent, yes. But I don't doubt that people at the club monitor fora such as this and will not take a positive view of their customers feeling the manager is the wrong one. Our owners seem to me to be very customer focused in their approach. It's a bit of a con, of course, but they like to be popular. They won't stick with a manager who is unpopular unless he looks nailed on to win them lots of cash with promotion. He doesn't, so they won't. I'm not sure if the tipping point has come yet but it isn't far off, I suspect.

One thing that no one can dispute is that with each loss and certainly with each gutless, idealess and insipid display, the tipping point approaches.

He was doing so well and he's completely fu cked it up.

[birdwith2beaksandnofriends]

Another serious point is that if we are in this division next season and either NP or another uninspiring choice is in charge, I can see regular gates of circa 20,000.

Regardless of anything else, those numbers will worry the Thais.

[Rocky Dennis]

I do, and I also include them in my assessment. Tell me, which of those demonstrate an ability to get us out of this league?

Promotion from League One was the least that should have been expected. I'm glad we got out at the first attempt and Pearson deserves credit for that, but anything else would have been failure. The following season was also a relative success but I have never felt that it was the overachievement many seem to think. We should always be striving for at least that sort of finish in this league. Again, I'm glad we finished where we did and I enjoyed the season but I don't see what relevance it has now.

We are better resourced now and have different expectations. Pearson's first spell does nothing to suggest that he can meet those expectations. Norwich and Southampton both bettered our first season back in the second tier in the two seasons which followed, by the way. If anything Pearson's 5th place finish in his second season and our current position - both attained in very different contexts - suggest that Pearson has a ceiling and that he has hit it.

Perhaps the problem is that you see top six finishes in this league as success? I do also so long as there is promotion at the end of it. Without that it's pretty pointless.

So, ( in the Style of Monty Python) apart from the League 1 Championship, the top 6 finish the following season, the refuced wage bill, the introduction of young/hungry players,the tightest defence, the best goal difference, the top 6 position for most of this season) what has Pearson ever done for LCFC??

[LJS]

Ok fair enough, one person doesn't make a difference but it's the principle of it. Why bother buying a ticket if you're going to use your time for something else? May as well stay at home and keep your negativity away from the KP.

I find the way that you almost encourage people to become disinterested in a football match they're attending quite astonishing.

Christ, bit of a football Stalinist aren't we? If people pay their money they can watch however they want. You do what you like and let others do what they want. It isn't really that important. It's just football. Most people go because it's fun. They want to see their mates. Or get away from the wife for a couple of hours. In the scheme of things it just doesn't matter.

[dynamark]

Very true guys we are all mere spectators re the manager and the owners.They will be making business decisions with millions(£) of reasons to justify those decisions.

Could be an interesting couple of weeks.

[birdwith2beaksandnofriends]

So, ( in the Style of Monty Python) apart from the League 1 Championship, the top 6 finish the following season, the tightest defence, the best goal difference, the top 6 position for most of this season) what has Pearson ever done for LCFC??

Oh I see, we are ignoring the fall outs, the bottling of the play offs a few years ago, the comments against fans and the club and indeed the recent massive collapse?

Well, yes, if you ignore all the recent, relevant stuff, all the other negatives and focus entirely on redundant past positives (all with financial backing etc) then of course he looks good.

If you take anything and only focus on the positive, it looks good.

There should be a junior foxestalk for the idiots and let the rest of us get on with it. I know that would only be about 20 posters, but it would be a lot better.