jamesmilner Posted 11 March 2013 Share Posted 11 March 2013 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21673620 andew neville , cost us millions and millions ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrifox Posted 11 March 2013 Share Posted 11 March 2013 interesting insight into how an international football manager operates at Club level suggest some names and let the club get on with it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwell Pablo Posted 11 March 2013 Share Posted 11 March 2013 interesting insight into how an international football manager operates at Club level suggest some names and let the club get on with it passes the buck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox92 Posted 11 March 2013 Share Posted 11 March 2013 But Sven was still the manager, he still has a say in it. Take Nigel Pearson, for example, he wanted Billy Sharp but pulled the plug when the player wanted to much wages. Sven was still the manager, it is down to him and nothing will change my mind in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMX11 Posted 11 March 2013 Share Posted 11 March 2013 I think it just proves what a clown Sven was. A manager that doesn't care about the clubs long term future unlike this guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJS Posted 11 March 2013 Share Posted 11 March 2013 Eriksson is right. The manager doesn't offer wages, the club negotiates that with players and agents. The money men may inform the manager that a given player will take a chunk out of his wage budget, but no more. Only the owners are to blame for the amounts spent. It's their cash. They can say no any time they like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cc_star Posted 11 March 2013 Share Posted 11 March 2013 Eriksson is right. The manager doesn't offer wages, the club negotiates that with players and agents. The money men may inform the manager that a given player will take a chunk out of his wage budget, but no more. Only the owners are to blame for the amounts spent. It's their cash. They can say no any time they like. Owners are to blame for appointing a manager of that kind, with that particularly mismatched skillset. It wouldn't have mattered (within reason) what Neville negotiated if the players Sven identified were good enough to form a promotion winning team. Sven didn't evaluate the players ability properly, didn't evaluate their mental strenght, didn't evaluate them as people & their ability to foster a team spirit. In short he was a disaster at every level, regardless of the fact the owners were naive as fvck... or basically were over-confident in Sven's abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJS Posted 11 March 2013 Share Posted 11 March 2013 I don't dispute that. I dispute that he overspent. He didn't. The owners did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col city fan Posted 11 March 2013 Share Posted 11 March 2013 Owners are to blame for appointing a manager of that kind, with that particularly mismatched skillset. It wouldn't have mattered (within reason) what Neville negotiated if the players Sven identified were good enough to form a promotion winning team. Sven didn't evaluate the players ability properly, didn't evaluate their mental strenght, didn't evaluate them as people & their ability to foster a team spirit. In short he was a disaster at every level, regardless of the fact the owners were naive as fvck... or basically were over-confident in Sven's abilities. Couldn't agree more. I think you'd go far to find a manager who did more damage than Sven. Backed by money. Words fail me that anyone could still suggest that we were wrong to let him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox92 Posted 11 March 2013 Share Posted 11 March 2013 I don't dispute that. I dispute that he overspent. He didn't. The owners did. But who is responsible? The manager. ... Just like in any business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJS Posted 11 March 2013 Share Posted 11 March 2013 But who is responsible? The manager. ... Just like in any business. That isn't like a typical business at all. The football manager is the equivalent of the senior operational manager in a large business. He is responsible for using his resources well and is responsible when that does not happen. Eriksson was correctly sacked for his failurein this regard. However the ultimate responsibility falls upon those who provide the resources and appoint and then trust the operational managers with them. If they do not perform it is the judgement of the strategic managers that is (rightly) called in to question. Do you really think it ends with the manager? I'd be right in the shit if my operational managers weren't performing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corky Posted 11 March 2013 Share Posted 11 March 2013 He kept us up, you ungrateful bastards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCFC_FAN_1995 Posted 11 March 2013 Share Posted 11 March 2013 Him and Sven are to blame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jace Posted 11 March 2013 Share Posted 11 March 2013 Not Svens fault whatsoever even if he did negotiate transfers and wages it still would not be his fault the final decision comes down to the club owners and directors to sanction the funds. It was very heavily speculated when Sven left that the owners main concern with why things didn't work out with him is because he didn't attract enough big name players for the plan to work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 11 March 2013 Share Posted 11 March 2013 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21673620 andew neville , cost us millions and millions ! No he did his job. Had Sven done his and picked good players we wouldn't be saying he cost us anything! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetintedspecs Posted 11 March 2013 Share Posted 11 March 2013 Sven always came across as such a nice eloquent chap, then again so did Ted Bundy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEBIGJOHNSTEADER; Posted 11 March 2013 Share Posted 11 March 2013 So did Jimmy Savile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seenitall Posted 11 March 2013 Share Posted 11 March 2013 Thing is Nigers, the Sven brought us about 1.54 points a game which was borderline play offs. The mighty unbeatable, cost effective and generally more talented and hirsuit Nige has averaged a mighty, wait for it, 1.59 points with longer to do it, inheriting a mid table team, not one bottom and all but relegated. This master plan would generate a whole 2 points a season more extrapolated across a whole season. I just think after the hulaballooo we were expecting a litlle more (well those of us who think of Leicester City as a 'big' club (how could we?). Its just a bit sad really, and this after people would die for the man. Its just not all that, is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jace Posted 11 March 2013 Share Posted 11 March 2013 Thing is Nigers, the Sven brought us about 1.54 points a game which was borderline play offs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetintedspecs Posted 11 March 2013 Share Posted 11 March 2013 Thing is Nigers, the Sven brought us about 1.54 points a game which was borderline play offs. The mighty unbeatable, cost effective and generally more talented and hirsuit Nige has averaged a mighty, wait for it, 1.59 points with longer to do it, inheriting a mid table team, not one bottom and all but relegated. This master plan would generate a whole 2 points a season more extrapolated across a whole season. I just think after the hulaballooo we were expecting a litlle more (well those of us who think of Leicester City as a 'big' club (how could we?). Its just a bit sad really, and this after people would die for the man. Its just not all that, is it? when a post loses credibility, seenitall, this loathing of NP is starting to unhinge you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickm Posted 11 March 2013 Share Posted 11 March 2013 I think it just proves what a clown Sven was. A manager that doesn't care about the clubs long term future unlike this guy ffs get out of his arsehole! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospero Posted 11 March 2013 Share Posted 11 March 2013 Not Svens fault whatsoever even if he did negotiate transfers and wages it still would not be his fault the final decision comes down to the club owners and directors to sanction the funds. It was very heavily speculated when Sven left that the owners main concern with why things didn't work out with him is because he didn't attract enough big name players for the plan to work Actually this is an astute comment. The owners seem to have given gave Sven carte blanche to suggest players in order to build a league winning team, with substantial financial backing. Rumors of Beckham’s arrival flattered to deceive. Sven tried to recruit the best players available. He was sacked because he had not attracted enough of the star players that the owners expected – given the investment. Their expectations of him proved unrealistic: the team did not glitter and he could not guarantee an immediate return to the premier league. Once bitten, twice shy with the next manager. However, it is perfectly true that Sven saved us from relegation again and the potential of his reign remain unrealised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPH Posted 11 March 2013 Share Posted 11 March 2013 Eriksson is right. The manager doesn't offer wages, the club negotiates that with players and agents. The money men may inform the manager that a given player will take a chunk out of his wage budget, but no more. Only the owners are to blame for the amounts spent. It's their cash. They can say no any time they like. Unless Sven is spending all his time chasing women and drinking champagne on the deck of expensive boats then he would of had a vague idea of the type of player he was putting on that list. He would also be very aware that these were not 5,000 quid a week players with a transfer fee of 100k. It also means that the players he wanted at the club were the players who did NOT perform..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleckneymike Posted 11 March 2013 Share Posted 11 March 2013 I think we're failing to appreciate the difference between managers in Britain and coaches on the continent. It's only in the UK that we expect a man whose sole job should be to improve a player and organise a team to also be a business man and financial wizard. I'm not making excuses for Sven but when he arrived the scouting system consisted of him and the coaching staff consisted of him, Chris Powell and Mike Stowell. Mandaric had gutted the club behind the scenes, consequently when Sven recommended a player there was no buffer between him and the board, no one to appraise his suggestions. This current side wasn't bought with buttons and string, they cost a hell of a lot by championship standards and, just as with Sven, we should be getting a hell of a lot more from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan LCFC Posted 12 March 2013 Share Posted 12 March 2013 The others aren't blameless but Sven had the power to stop this happening - but didn't. The bloke's a fraud, I don't care how he comes across in interviews and how good his manners are, the bloke's interest in Leicester City is a fraction of Pearson's and always was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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