Drinkwater Cupping Ears at Fans After Goal

[Strokes]

Take a cup to the forthcoming games at the KP. If he scores and 'earcups', hold your cup to your ear by way of cup based witty banter.

Make sure your cup is empty first though, wouldnt want the st johns ambulance folk to miss any action.

[Dan]

Any excuse to get at Pearson eh?

 

Fair point I suppose but he consciously made the effort to turn round and face the fans at Middlesbrough. If it was for Pearson he would have just done it while walking away rather than directing it at the away end.

 

In his defence, he may have a point this time.

[Captain...]

Can't believe this debate is still going on.

 

Regards Drinkwater, nobody on here knows what abuse he has got off some of our "fans", and whilst he shouldn't be aiming it at all the fans, all the fans were celebrating his goal including those that have given him abuse, so the point is made. He has received a lot of abuse on here so he is clearly not popular with some of the fans, so it wouldn't be any surprise that some of this has filtered through to him on some level.

 

As for the abuse he gets, he gets a lot of criticism for playing negative football and only passing it short and back, does anyone else think that this negative approach could be because he is unwilling to take a risk and get abuse when it doesn't come off? If I know a mistake will have thousands of people groaning and giving me shit I would stop taking risks. You can say he shouldn't be affected by the fans, but he clearly is, as are the other players but I will come to that, and it can become a vicious circle and the relationship between fans and player breakdown.

 

Getting back to the other players, in recent years we have had more spats with the players than I can ever remember in the 20 years or so of following this club. Gallagher, Beckford, Konchesky, Marshall, now Drinkwater. Pearson also had an altercation with fans, and for those saying they don't hear this abuse, all of these happened in the stadium. Now either we have signed a lot of arrogant dickheads, or the problem is our fans.

[Bettsj2]

Can't believe this debate is still going on.

Regards Drinkwater, nobody on here knows what abuse he has got off some of our "fans", and whilst he shouldn't be aiming it at all the fans, all the fans were celebrating his goal including those that have given him abuse, so the point is made. He has received a lot of abuse on here so he is clearly not popular with some of the fans, so it wouldn't be any surprise that some of this has filtered through to him on some level.

As for the abuse he gets, he gets a lot of criticism for playing negative football and only passing it short and back, does anyone else think that this negative approach good be because he is unwilling to take a risk and get abuse when it doesn't come off? If I know a mistake will have thousands of people groaning and giving me shit I would stop taking risks. You can say he shouldn't be affected by the fans, but he clearly is, as are the other players but I will come to that, and it can become a vicious circle and the relationship between fans and player breakdown.

Getting back to the other players, in recent years we have had more spats with the players than I can ever remember in the 20 years or so of following this club. Gallagher, Beckford, Konchesky, Marshall, now Drinkwater. Pearson also had an altercation with fans, and for those saying they don't hear this abuse, all of these happened in the stadium. Now either we have signed a lot of arrogant dickheads, or the problem is our fans.

WHOAH THERE!!! You cant critisise the fans!!! We buy tickets and everything!

[5waller5]

Can't believe this debate is still going on.

 

Regards Drinkwater, nobody on here knows what abuse he has got off some of our "fans", and whilst he shouldn't be aiming it at all the fans, all the fans were celebrating his goal including those that have given him abuse, so the point is made. He has received a lot of abuse on here so he is clearly not popular with some of the fans, so it wouldn't be any surprise that some of this has filtered through to him on some level.

 

As for the abuse he gets, he gets a lot of criticism for playing negative football and only passing it short and back, does anyone else think that this negative approach could be because he is unwilling to take a risk and get abuse when it doesn't come off? If I know a mistake will have thousands of people groaning and giving me shit I would stop taking risks. You can say he shouldn't be affected by the fans, but he clearly is, as are the other players but I will come to that, and it can become a vicious circle and the relationship between fans and player breakdown.

 

Getting back to the other players, in recent years we have had more spats with the players than I can ever remember in the 20 years or so of following this club. Gallagher, Beckford, Konchesky, Marshall, now Drinkwater. Pearson also had an altercation with fans, and for those saying they don't hear this abuse, all of these happened in the stadium. Now either we have signed a lot of arrogant dickheads, or the problem is our fans.

 

 

Or the current manager's attitude towards fans effectively giving permission for the players to also fall out with them.

 

It's interesting that in 20 years i can't remember the fans ever falling out with a player either ..... but since NP returned with his "**** the fans" attitude there have been at least the 5 cases you state above.

[Corky]

Or the current manager's attitude towards fans effectively giving permission for the players to also fall out with them.

 

It's interesting that in 20 years i can't remember the fans ever falling out with a player either ..... but since NP returned with his "**** the fans" attitude there have been at least the 5 cases you state above.

 

What about Sven's reign? Chanting for Weale when Ricardo was in goal. Chanting for Waghorn when Yakubu played!?

[Guest ttfn]

What about Sven's reign? Chanting for Weale when Ricardo was in goal. Chanting for Waghorn when Yakubu played!?

Is that not indicative of the real problem though, which is the complete breakdown in the relationship between players and fans?

Fans see players rolling up to games in cars which cost more than the supporters make in 5 years, often mince about for 90 minutes in a shirt which means a hell of a lot more to the fan in the stand than the man on the pitch wearing it and then go home to a lifestyle they could only dream of.

Call it jealousy, call it understandable, call it whatever you want. But there is a total lack of respect on both sides.

It's no coincidence that the two examples Corky cites are of the crowd wanting hard-working, likeable, English pro's who, rightly or wrongly, the fans feel that they can relate to. They can certainly relate to them more than a Nigerian or Portugese mercenary (both of whom had the appearance, much like DD, of being very casual).

As for Drinkwater specifically, the most astonishing thing is that this appears to have been almost completely unprovoked. If Gallagher had done it I would get it but I actually think people have been incredibly patient with DD.

[Dan]

Or the current manager's attitude towards fans effectively giving permission for the players to also fall out with them.

 

It's interesting that in 20 years i can't remember the fans ever falling out with a player either ..... but since NP returned with his "**** the fans" attitude there have been at least the 5 cases you state above.

 

Seriously?

 

I'm only 20 years old and I can tell you there's been loads.

 

I think it's easier to 'fall out' with players now, as it were, because of Twitter. How much of this crap with Danns & Gallagher would've happened if it wasn't for Twitter?

 

It's six of one as far as I'm concerned. A lot of our fans are plebs who have complete unrealistic expectations and expect Xavi & Iniesta displays from our midfield every weak but Drinkwater as a 'pro' needs to stop also. Mind you - I'd take having this debate again if it means he's scored again.

[Corky]

Is that not indicative of the real problem though, which is the complete breakdown in the relationship between players and fans?

Fans see players rolling up to games in cars which cost more than the supporters make in 5 years, often mince about for 90 minutes in a shirt which means a hell of a lot more to the fan in the stand than the man on the pitch wearing it and then go home to a lifestyle they could only dream of.

Call it jealousy, call it understandable, call it whatever you want. But there is a total lack of respect on both sides.

It's no coincidence that the two examples Corky cites are of the crowd wanting hard-working, likeable, English pro's who, rightly or wrongly, the fans feel that they can relate to. They can certainly relate to them more than a Nigerian or Portugese mercenary (both of whom had the appearance, much like DD, of being very casual).

As for Drinkwater specifically, the most astonishing thing is that this appears to have been almost completely unprovoked. If Gallagher had done it I would get it but I actually think people have been incredibly patient with DD.

 

If anything, that's when there should be a breakdown in supporter/ player relations. Now, under Pearson, we have a young squad, mostly British (with a very popular and likeable Frenchman and a hero-worshipped Danish keeper) who are probably commanding nowhere near the wages of the Sven players. The Yakubu's, Ricardo's will have bigger cars and better lifestyles than the current squad.

 

A lot of it is frustration, due to our absence from the top flight for 10 years now, envy too I'm sure but I don't buy it that Pearson's manner means the players will fall out with the fans. I don't get the Drinkwater stuff, no idea where it's come from, maybe we are making more of it than is necessary?

[C-man]

Or the current manager's attitude towards fans effectively giving permission for the players to also fall out with them.

It's interesting that in 20 years i can't remember the fans ever falling out with a player either ..... but since NP returned with his "**** the fans" attitude there have been at least the 5 cases you state above.

Utter, utter bullsh1t.

What do you mean Pearson's attitude to the fans? He has, untold times, made comment about how important our fans are and praised our away support. Even on occasions when it has done nothing to deserve praise, in my opinion.

You are confusing Pearson's attitude to the media with his attitude with the fans.

Our fans have consistently found scapegoats. It's just nowadays they have more of an outlet to get across their frustration at being unfairly (sometimes fairly) criticised.

Some of our 'fans' are unbearably cretinous. I don't blame players for having a pop back.

[Guest ttfn]

If anything, that's when there should be a breakdown in supporter/ player relations. Now, under Pearson, we have a young squad, mostly British (with a very popular and likeable Frenchman and a hero-worshipped Danish keeper) who are probably commanding nowhere near the wages of the Sven players. The Yakubu's, Ricardo's will have bigger cars and better lifestyles than the current squad.

A lot of it is frustration, due to our absence from the top flight for 10 years now, envy too I'm sure but I don't buy it that Pearson's manner means the players will fall out with the fans. I don't get the Drinkwater stuff, no idea where it's come from, maybe we are making more of it than is necessary?

Agree with all of it you say albeit I think you slightly misinterpreted my comment on the foreigners. On the face of it, both Knockaert and Schmeichel don't have anything in common with most fans. I daresay Knockaert had never heard of Leicester 14 months ago.

But they both look like they want to play for the team, for the club and for the shirt. It's easy to make fun of PASSHHUN but it does mean a lot to a large percentage of our fans to see players motivated to play in our colours, in our stadium and for our team.

It's not a point about our fans being anti-foreigners, but it certainly doesn't helpmate the players relatable.

Just wanted to clear that up!

[Bert]

Utter, utter bullsh1t.

What do you mean Pearson's attitude to the fans? He has, untold times, made comment about how important our fans are and praised our away support. Even on occasions when it has done nothing to deserve praise, in my opinion.

You are confusing Pearson's attitude to the media with his attitude with the fans.

Our fans have consistently found scapegoats. It's just nowadays they have more of an outlet to get across their frustration at being unfairly (sometimes fairly) criticised.

Some of our 'fans' are unbearably cretinous. I don't blame players for having a pop back.

Some boy you, great post.

[Swiss_tony]

Utter, utter bullsh1t.

What do you mean Pearson's attitude to the fans? He has, untold times, made comment about how important our fans are and praised our away support. Even on occasions when it has done nothing to deserve praise, in my opinion.

You are confusing Pearson's attitude to the media with his attitude with the fans.

Our fans have consistently found scapegoats. It's just nowadays they have more of an outlet to get across their frustration at being unfairly (sometimes fairly) criticised.

Some of our 'fans' are unbearably cretinous. I don't blame players for having a pop back.

he's also said, if you don't like it, don't bother coming back ....

[C-man]

he's also said, if you don't like it, don't bother coming back ....

He's right as well. People's negative attitude at the stadium contributes to poor performances and completely spoils my enjoyment of the game. In sum, as far as I am concerned, they can fvck off.

[5waller5]

What about Sven's reign? Chanting for Weale when Ricardo was in goal. Chanting for Waghorn when Yakubu played!?

 

 

Good point - both were disgraceful and worse ........

 

COMPLETELY WRONG!! 

[Bettsj2]

he's also said, if you don't like it, don't bother coming back ....

Yes in response to a total bellend who went way over the top with the personal abuse he hurled at NP.

It amazes me how some fans think they can say whatever the hell they want in the ground regardless of how offensive it might be to a player or the manager, and the second any kind of response comes back, their fanny starts weeping.

[Captain...]

Is that not indicative of the real problem though, which is the complete breakdown in the relationship between players and fans?

Fans see players rolling up to games in cars which cost more than the supporters make in 5 years, often mince about for 90 minutes in a shirt which means a hell of a lot more to the fan in the stand than the man on the pitch wearing it and then go home to a lifestyle they could only dream of.

Call it jealousy, call it understandable, call it whatever you want. But there is a total lack of respect on both sides.

It's no coincidence that the two examples Corky cites are of the crowd wanting hard-working, likeable, English pro's who, rightly or wrongly, the fans feel that they can relate to. They can certainly relate to them more than a Nigerian or Portugese mercenary (both of whom had the appearance, much like DD, of being very casual).

As for Drinkwater specifically, the most astonishing thing is that this appears to have been almost completely unprovoked. If Gallagher had done it I would get it but I actually think people have been incredibly patient with DD.

 

Yup, that is what it comes down to, not just with the players, but the management, the owners, the club. I don't think it has too much to do with the lifestyle of the players, or the money they are on, I think it has just been a gradual breakdown. You can see on here how some fans will never forgive the owners for sacking Sven, and will never rate Pearson. Others won't trust the owners after the amount they allowed to be spent on the Sven project. The frustration has boiled over at our inability to perform on the pitch consistently and not turn up to games we should win. Pearson's main outlet to the fans is through Stringer, and radio Leicester and that sucks.

 

So we know the problem, how do we fix it?

[Dan]

Yup, that is what it comes down to, not just with the players, but the management, the owners, the club. I don't think it has too much to do with the lifestyle of the players, or the money they are on, I think it has just been a gradual breakdown. You can see on here how some fans will never forgive the owners for sacking Sven, and will never rate Pearson. Others won't trust the owners after the amount they allowed to be spent on the Sven project. The frustration has boiled over at our inability to perform on the pitch consistently and not turn up to games we should win. Pearson's main outlet to the fans is through Stringer, and radio Leicester and that sucks.

 

So we know the problem, how do we fix it?

 

Impossible. Football in England is beyond repair.

[hackneyfox]

Yes in response to a total bellend who went way over the top with the personal abuse he hurled at NP.

It amazes me how some fans think they can say whatever the hell they want in the ground regardless of how offensive it might be to a player or the manager, and the second any kind of response comes back, their fanny starts weeping.

People on here went ballistic at the time didn't they?

 

I don't use Facebook or twitter so I have no idea of how much abuse the players get via social media.

They get very little on the pitch when you consider some of the awful displays we've had to endure.

 

I can remember Gallagher getting stick and after he wimped out with that header against Chelsea he deserves all he gets imo.

Ricardo, idiots (many off here) chanting for Weale, that went well didn't it?

Yakubu idiots chanting for Waghorn.

 

Anymore?

[Corky]

It's definitely results based. If we were comfortable in the Premier League no-one would care about their lifestyle, car, house etc.

[svensson]

Yes in response to a total bellend who went way over the top with the personal abuse he hurled at NP.

It amazes me how some fans think they can say whatever the hell they want in the ground regardless of how offensive it might be to a player or the manager, and the second any kind of response comes back, their fanny starts weeping.

Haha brilliant post, couldn't agree more. We have some very precious fans

[5waller5]

It's definitely results based. If we were comfortable in the Premier League no-one would care about their lifestyle, car, house etc.

 

 

Exactly ..... results or equity ...... If the results justify the expenditure then the deal is equitable.

 

What seems unfair is when the results don't follow the outlay ... that's when the dissatisfaction boils over. 

[Bayfox]

Is that not indicative of the real problem though, which is the complete breakdown in the relationship between players and fans?

Fans see players rolling up to games in cars which cost more than the supporters make in 5 years, often mince about for 90 minutes in a shirt which means a hell of a lot more to the fan in the stand than the man on the pitch wearing it and then go home to a lifestyle they could only dream of.

Call it jealousy, call it understandable, call it whatever you want. But there is a total lack of respect on both sides.

It's no coincidence that the two examples Corky cites are of the crowd wanting hard-working, likeable, English pro's who, rightly or wrongly, the fans feel that they can relate to. They can certainly relate to them more than a Nigerian or Portugese mercenary (both of whom had the appearance, much like DD, of being very casual).

As for Drinkwater specifically, the most astonishing thing is that this appears to have been almost completely unprovoked. If Gallagher had done it I would get it but I actually think people have been incredibly patient with DD.

Good post.

A lot of it is perception.

I met knocky on the way back from charlton the other night. He took the train carridge singing at him in good nature. Shook everyones hand. Had a smile on his face and sat in cattle class with us. Happy to sign autographs etc.

Now i know he prob has a nice car etc. But he gives the impression he cares what the fans think.

Just 15 years or so ago. You could meet walshy, muzzy, lennon etc in a pub have a pint and a chat. But it would seem certain players are so far removed from what the clubs mean to fans.

Sometimes shouldn't they just be the bigger man and ignore it. Afterall it can't really affect their day to day lives. Unless they use Twitter to much.

If it bothered me that much i'd just ask to leave a club if i felt i wasn't wanted. Not like lcfc is his boyhood club.

[inckley fox]

He's right as well. People's negative attitude at the stadium contributes to poor performances and completely spoils my enjoyment of the game. In sum, as far as I am concerned, they can fvck off.

 

Rubbish. Anyone who suggests that a fan has to 'like' the sort of half-hearted, shambolic crap that was being served up earlier this year or 'fvck off' is living on another planet.

 

Pearson may have been right to confront one solitary idiot. To extend that criticism to anyone who didn't approve of the football we were playing at the time was foolish. If everyone who didn't 'like' the football we were playing back then had stopped coming then we'd have been playing in front of about fifteen people from Foxestalk and no-one else.

 

On balance he's been a decent manager for the club, albeit more so in his first spell. And you are right in feeling that football fans are fickle, but the degree of conflict between staff and fans has been extraordinary since Pearson's return - and has at times dipped below the professional. There are similarly fickle fans at other clubs, but you rarely see such a surly response from the playing and coaching staff.

 

It doesn't always have to be furiously pro or anti-Pearson, you know. What he said that night was wrong. What Konchesky, Marshall and perhaps Drinkwater have done is also wrong. The fact that so many fans (who, in many cases, do not boo Drinkwater, or Pearson, or the team) have taken exception is proof of that.

[5waller5]

Rubbish. Anyone who suggests that a fan has to 'like' the sort of half-hearted, shambolic crap that was being served up earlier this year or 'fvck off' is living on another planet.

 

Pearson may have been right to confront one solitary idiot. To extend that criticism to anyone who didn't approve of the football we were playing at the time was foolish. If everyone who didn't 'like' the football we were playing back then had stopped coming then we'd have been playing in front of about fifteen people from Foxestalk and no-one else.

 

On balance he's been a decent manager for the club, albeit more so in his first spell. And you are right in feeling that football fans are fickle, but the degree of conflict between staff and fans has been extraordinary since Pearson's return - and has at times dipped below the professional. There are similarly fickle fans at other clubs, but you rarely see such a surly response from the playing and coaching staff.

 

It doesn't always have to be furiously pro or anti-Pearson, you know. What he said that night was wrong. What Konchesky, Marshall and perhaps Drinkwater have done is also wrong. The fact that so many fans (who, in many cases, do not boo Drinkwater, or Pearson, or the team) have taken exception is proof of that.

 

This.