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Uncle Albert

Paul Scholes or Steven Gerrard?

By Uncle Albert, in General Football and Sport

  

172 members have voted

  1. 1. Who would you have in your side?

    • Steven Gerrard
      75
    • Paul Scholes
      97

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Simmo86

Simmo86

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Both great players and different types of players, so judging which is better is very tough.

 

But Scholes for me, done it year in year out at the highest level.

ousefox

ousefox

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I think this is a common misconception.  Alonso was the orchestrator of that Liverpool team, not Gerrard.  Gerrard, as great a player as he is (and he is one of the Premier League's best ever), was not and has never been a one-man team.  True, he got the headlines because he was in the positions of glory.  However,  Alonso was the reason he was able to get the headlines as he was the player who kept the ball ticking over and played the passes through to Gerrard.

 

Look at Liverpool's Premier League finishes:

 

With Alonso:                            Alonso goes to Real Madrid:

2005: 5                                    2010: 7

2006: 3                                    2011: 6

2007: 3                                    2012: 8

2008: 4                                    2013: 7

2009: 2

 

In my opinion, I think that if Liverpool had Scholes rather than Alonso, they would have won the league.

Those years with Alonso also happened to be when Gerrard was in his prime, Torres was firing them in, and Benitez was manager. Liverpool have had a shite team since 2010 and have only just begun to recover.

The Year Of The Fox

The Year Of The Fox

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PFA Team of the Year

Gerrard - 7 (2000-01, 2003-04, 2004-05, 2005-06, 2006-07, 2007-08, 2008-09)

Scholes - 2 (2002-03 & 2006-07)

F me you love your stat don't you?

I'd sooner hear what the world class players say about a player than one who gets voted for by the likes of Joey Barton and Jimmy bullard.

The fact is that Gerrard is a brilliant player who stood out like balls on a bulldog due to the rest of the liverpool players (mostly) being pretty shit.

Scholes was the opposite.

Corky

Corky

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PFA Team of the Year

Gerrard - 7 (2000-01, 2003-04, 2004-05, 2005-06, 2006-07, 2007-08, 2008-09)

Scholes - 2 (2002-03 & 2006-07)

 

 

Oh, not including Honorary Degrees and BBC Sports Personality of the Year third placings in your arguments now?

Jimothy

Jimothy

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Curveball

 

Louis Saha just said Scholes was better than Zidane having played with them both!

Louis Saha isn't world class though, so we shouldn't listen to him. We should only listen to World Class players on this subject, not the Louis Saha's of this world.

Danno

Danno

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Scholes. Gerrard captaining a team to victory after AC Milan fell asleep in the second half is hardly fantastic.

Bert

Bert

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Both shit.

None of them know how to control a midfield, unlike our very own Danny Drinkwater.

The same Drinkwater you slated last season.
Simmo86

Simmo86

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Louis Saha isn't world class though, so we shouldn't listen to him. We should only listen to World Class players on this subject, not the Louis Saha's of this world.

 

Need to get a world class footballer on Fantasy Football Club then

Merchant

Merchant

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Gerrard every time for me. Scholes has matured brilliantly and managed to maintain such a high standard but if we're comparing them both at their prime Gerrard is the better player.

 

I think I'd rather have Lamps than Scholes as well but that's besides the point :thumbup:

sdb

sdb

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Tough - Gerrard had the legs & energy but Scholes was a considerably better thinker, passer, mover. I went Scholes. Gerrard could be a bit of a headless chicken sometimes, although Scholes' tackling...

Guest ttfn

Guest ttfn

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I voted Gerrard but I wish I hadn't.

 

Completely different players. The two of them in a midfield as part of a 3 with a more defensive-minded player would have been ridiculous. Both incredible players.

 

I've always thought it to be a peculiarly English tragedy that Gerrard and Lampard's careers have overlapped so completely. They may not be exactly the same player in style but they occupy the same area of the pitch and are both wonderful players. If only one of them had been a more defensive character.

 

As for Scholes, United-supporting mates of mine will eulogise about his last 3 or 4 years at the club above the earlier times. The later days when his role was to take the ball from anybody in possession and simply re-distribute it. But for me, the Scholes I will remember was the Scholes of 1997-2004 - the Scholes who had a wonderful, crafty range of passing but also chipped in with 12-20 goals a season. Long rangers, headers, tap-ins - the lot. 

 

But in my humble opinion Roy Keane was better than both of them. He was basically good at everything. Except not being a twat

Pride_Of_The_Midlands

Pride_Of_The_Midlands

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I understand what you're saying, but I always think of the PFA team of the year as a fashionable item (perhaps unfairly), where votes are based on trends or fashionable picks, rather than absolute ability.  So on this basis, the likes of James Milner got picked in 2010 for Aston Villa because he was performing well and stood out in the Villa team.  Now he's at a bigger better team in Man City, he's nowhere near getting in the PFA team of the year as he doesn't stand out or garner headlines.

 

Another example is Xabi Alonso.  I maintain that he was the brains behind the Liverpool team when he played, yet never got into the PFA team of the year, whereas Gerrard did as he got the headlines.

 

Edit: Interestingly (and to back up my point), Gerrard has failed to make a PFA team of the year since Alonso left Liverpool in 2009.   

 

Exactly.

 

Since he's gone to Man City he hasn't performed anywhere near the level he did for Villa in 2009-10 (mostly because he's been played out wide) and this is reflected in the fact that he has got nowhere near the PFA Team of the Year.

Pride_Of_The_Midlands

Pride_Of_The_Midlands

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F me you love your stat don't you?

I'd sooner hear what the world class players say about a player than one who gets voted for by the likes of Joey Barton and Jimmy bullard.

The fact is that Gerrard is a brilliant player who stood out like balls on a bulldog due to the rest of the liverpool players (mostly) being pretty shit.

Scholes was the opposite.

 

Why exactly? I guess you'd sooner have Maradona over Jose Mourinho as manager of your club then.

Pride_Of_The_Midlands

Pride_Of_The_Midlands

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Oh, not including Honorary Degrees and BBC Sports Personality of the Year third placings in your arguments now?

 

No but I could include Ballon d'Or Bronze, UEFA Club Footballer of the Year, FWA footballer of the year, PFA Players' Player of the Year, UEFA Team of the Year and FIFPro World XI awards.

 

Well not for Scholes since he has none of these.

Louis Saha isn't world class though, so we shouldn't listen to him. We should only listen to World Class players on this subject, not the Louis Saha's of this world.

 

:thumbup:

Soar Fox

Soar Fox

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Are you Gerrard's dad or something?

PFA Team of the Year

Gerrard - 7 (2000-01, 2003-04, 2004-05, 2005-06, 2006-07, 2007-08, 2008-09)

Scholes - 2 (2002-03 & 2006-07)

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