Fox92 Posted 20 November 2013 Posted 20 November 2013 Extremist morons from tiny pockets of Islam and tiny pockets of the British public who have a lot more in common than either side would care to admit will go on wasting police time with stupid little misguided marches to the general indifference of thousands? When something happens either way, be sure to let me know, won't you? Which have the potential to kill thousands... That's what I meant. Above, Finnegan, I don't disagree. I just don't get why they preach to hate the Western World so much.
Guest MattP Posted 20 November 2013 Posted 20 November 2013 They're just ****ing idiots, giving them the attention and scare mongering are what they want. Whether they accept it or not, the Daily Mail, the BNP etc are on the same side as the Islamic extremists. There's no danger of sharia law ever taking over the country and if these courts ever pop up here they should and probably will be dealt with as the illegal systems they are. Tha Daily Mail being compared to Islamic extremists, I think I've heard it all now Agree on the second point, shame they aren't.
Finnegan Posted 20 November 2013 Posted 20 November 2013 Which have the potential to kill thousands... That's what I meant. Above, Finnegan, yes I don't disagree. I just don't get why they preach to hate the Western World so much. KILL THOUSANDS!?!?!?! OF BRITS!? Are for ****ing insane? Tha Daily Mail being compared to Islamic extremists, I think I've heard it all now Agree on the second point, shame they aren't. Then that's a failing of our police system because, surely, any vigilante justice (which is what a sharia court would surely have to be considered?) should be wiped out immediately. Either way, it's not something that the average Brit in the street needs to stomp their feet and go marching about because it's ALREADY illegal to take the law in to your own hands. We don't NEED to be getting rowdy and giving a fractional minority of gobby shits any more attention.
Mike the Metal Ed Posted 20 November 2013 Posted 20 November 2013 Which have the potential to kill thousands... That's what I meant. Unless you're running in the London Marathon in a costume any time soon I wouldn't worry too much.
Fox92 Posted 20 November 2013 Posted 20 November 2013 KILL THOUSANDS!?!?!?! OF BRITS!? Are for ****ing insane? I might be getting confused actually, but are they not linked to terrorists? Is says in that article that man has been (at the time of the article) released from prison, after serving time for funding terrorism...?
Guest MattP Posted 20 November 2013 Posted 20 November 2013 Then that's a failing of our police system because, surely, any vigilante justice (which is what a sharia court would surely have to be considered?) should be wiped out immediately. Either way, it's not something that the average Brit in the street needs to stomp their feet and go marching about because it's ALREADY illegal to take the law in to your own hands. We don't NEED to be getting rowdy and giving a fractional minority of gobby shits any more attention. It's not, they are allowed to operate. Here's an article on the Leyton Sharia Council. The oldest and most active in the UK. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9975937/Inside-Britains-Sharia-courts.html The official Tory government explanation is a bit of a cop out that in reality means they don't have to do anything. Labour, well, I'm sure you imagine.... The previous government gave up on its attempt to investigate Sharia councils when they could not get proper access to them. This government’s view is that Sharia law is not law in England and Wales and existing legislation already deals with issues about Sharia councils raised by campaigners. If decisions made by these councils conflicts with national law, then national law will always prevail. Muslim women will just have to suck it up and take what they get, no one is remotly interested in defending their rights from all sides for various reasons.
Finnegan Posted 20 November 2013 Posted 20 November 2013 I might be getting confused actually, but are they not linked to terrorists? Is says in that article that man has been (at the time of the article) released from prison, after serving time for funding terrorism...? That's right, kid, get enraged before you even know what the issue is. Wow.
xHamzah Posted 20 November 2013 Posted 20 November 2013 I hope the "deport them all" part was a typo..
Finnegan Posted 20 November 2013 Posted 20 November 2013 It's not, they are allowed to operate. Here's an article on the Leyton Sharia Council. The oldest and most active in the UK. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9975937/Inside-Britains-Sharia-courts.html The official Tory government explanation is a bit of a cop out that in reality means they don't have to do anything. Labour, well, I'm sure you imagine.... Muslim women will just have to suck it up and take what they get, no one is remotly interested in defending their rights from all sides for various reasons. That just confirms what I'm saying, surely, Sharia law is NOT law hence national law prevails. If a Muslim woman (or anyone else being targeted by a so-called Sharia court) feels her human rights are in violation or she's being harassed or in any other way the victim of a breach of law she should approach the police. If the specific individuals feel that they can't go outside of their communities to seek help from our national police / legal system then of course that is a worrying problem and one that, as a society, we should look to address. But you're talking about far more private, secretive, family and community disputes. The EDL-esque idea that Sharia law will take over the country and that somehow a tiny, Islamic minority are going to bend the will of the huge bulk of British society that aren't in favour of Sharia is just straight-up, pure, unadulterated lunacy.
Guest MattP Posted 20 November 2013 Posted 20 November 2013 That just confirms what I'm saying, surely, Sharia law is NOT law hence national law prevails. If a Muslim woman (or anyone else being targeted by a so-called Sharia court) feels her human rights are in violation or she's being harassed or in any other way the victim of a breach of law she should approach the police. If the specific individuals feel that they can't go outside of their communities to seek help from our national police / legal system then of course that is a worrying problem and one that, as a society, we should look to address. But you're talking about far more private, secretive, family and community disputes. But it actually doesn't in reality does it? Hence the judges in these courts will openly tell them not to involves the National police force even when violence is used. These women clearly can't go outside of their communities, if they could they wouldn't be going to these sorts of places to settle disputes, I have a feeling that this is similar to the grooming scandals in the way that in a few years we'll realise the practice was far more widespread than we dared think and effected far more people than we dared think. You can be sure of one thing though, they'll always be a brush, carpet and bucket of sand if something is happining in the name of Islam that is causing misery to people.
Charl91 Posted 20 November 2013 Posted 20 November 2013 I'm currently teaching a class that is about 90% Muslim kids. If they're anything to go by, I don't see Sharia Law taking hold any time soon. It's more likely that the Muslims become westernised than the other way round.
Mike Oxlong Posted 20 November 2013 Posted 20 November 2013 Poor bastard! Not only ginger but can't drink or enjoy a bacon sandwich.
Finnegan Posted 20 November 2013 Posted 20 November 2013 I don't disagree that it's a concern and that we shouldn't stand by and let anyone use religion to indoctrinate and manipulate people in to unhappiness, anywhere in the world. I do think that we should be very careful about how we wade in and tell people how to live their lives, you tread a very fine line, given a vast amount of Muslims are born, raised and live and die happily contented by their faith in a completely harmless manner. But nobody's being "invaded", British culture isn't under threat in any way at all. The whole nature of the Sharia issue is that it is hugely isolated, it's not "taking over", there aren't "Sharia zones" that "we" need to be fearful of. We're talking about small, insular communities policing themselves according to their own moral values, not passing judge and jury over the rest of us. I'd be interested to know how many people who are militantly against Sharia courts raised a smile at film Harry Brown.
Guest MattP Posted 20 November 2013 Posted 20 November 2013 Poor bastard! Not only ginger but can't drink or enjoy a bacon sandwich. Needs his balls cutting off this bloke. Seen him on a few TV shows.
Guest MattP Posted 20 November 2013 Posted 20 November 2013 Is the middle one "No Crowd Surfing?" No Music More concerned about the no heels one, one of the delights of summer is seeing a girl walking down the street ina skirt and heels, beautiful.
Guest Bilo Posted 20 November 2013 Posted 20 November 2013 Needs his balls cutting off this bloke. Seen him on a few TV shows. With looks like this, he's unlikely ever to need them to procreate or shit.
Finnegan Posted 20 November 2013 Posted 20 November 2013 All jokes aside, though, this is exactly what I'm talking about. How the **** is Britain's 5% Islamic population (that's assuming the full 5% would ever be in favour of a Shariah Britain, which is beyond ridiculously unlikely) ever going to force the rest of us to stop wearing heels, listening to music and getting shitfaced? I really just don't see the threat to British culture on any level, anywhere. The only threat is to their own communities and, yes, we should perhaps take that more seriously as a country than we do but standard far-right approach that we're "all" in danger is just barmy. I'd go so far as to say I'm about 350000% more afraid of half of Zingari and Empty's theories coming true than that ugly, ginger scrotum ever imposing on my human rights.
Captain... Posted 20 November 2013 Posted 20 November 2013 Ffs, 2 year old news that has been discussed to death on here. Just because you repeat yourself over and over again doesn't make it any more true and neither does saying that anyone who is not terrified of a handful of extremists from a minority religion taking over one of the most powerful nations in the world is just sweeping it under the carpet. We will not ever be under Sharia law, they will never take over and they aren't invading. We should also give some credit to our intelligence agency that any and all known and potential extremists are being monitored. Personally I'm going to sleep soundly tonight.
I am Rod Hull Posted 20 November 2013 Posted 20 November 2013 With looks like this, he's unlikely ever to need them to procreate or shit. Looks dont come into it in arranged marriages
Guest Bilo Posted 20 November 2013 Posted 20 November 2013 Looks dont come into it in arranged marriages Well, I hope lube is halal. A face like that would make even Jordan's fanny like the Atacama Desert.
Rincewind Posted 20 November 2013 Posted 20 November 2013 I am surprised that a high quality newspaper like the Daily Mail would publish a sensationlised story such as this. i mean do they really expect their intellrgent readership to believe it? Are they trying to match the Sun or Star's quality in news reporting?
Webbo Posted 20 November 2013 Posted 20 November 2013 I am surprised that a high quality newspaper like the Daily Mail would publish a sensationlised story such as this. i mean do they really expect their intellrgent readership to believe it? Are they trying to match the Sun or Star's quality in news reporting? Could you quote some sections from that article to illustrate your point?
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