Charnwood Norris Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 I don't know why people think Uruguay are a great side and better than us. They only have a good attacker is Suarez. Cavani is decent but overrated. Forlan is past it and not noweher near the form he had in 2010 (voted best player of the tournamnet wasn't he?). They finished below Ecuador in qualifying. They have an aging defense and average midfield with no real names. I think Italy 1-0 England Uruguay 1-2 England England 3-1 Costa Rica We get through the group on 6 points and edge past Ivory Coast or Colombia in the last 16. We lose in the QF to Spain or somebody (same old same old)
StanSP Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 I don't know why people think Uruguay are a great side and better than us. They only have a good attacker is Suarez. Cavani is decent but overrated. Forlan is past it and not noweher near the form he had in 2010 (voted best player of the tournamnet wasn't he?). They finished below Ecuador in qualifying. They have an aging defense and average midfield with no real names. I think Italy 1-0 England Uruguay 1-2 England England 3-1 Costa Rica We get through the group on 6 points and edge past Ivory Coast or Colombia in the last 16. We lose in the QF to Spain or somebody (same old same old) Cristian Rodriguez Walter Gargano Alvaro Pereira Gaston Ramirez Alvaro Gonzalez They're quite capable players, especially Cristian Rodriguez. And their defence isn't ageing at all. It's better than what we have.
Dan Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 Italy 1-1 England Costa Rica 0-2 Uruguay Uruguay 2-1 England Italy 1-0 Costa Rica England 2-0 Costa Rica Uruguay 2-2 Italy 1. Uruguay, 7, +3 2. Italy, 5, +1 3. England, 4, +1 4. Costa Rica, 0, -5
Mike the Metal Ed Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 Italy 1-1 England Costa Rica 0-2 Uruguay Uruguay 2-1 England Italy 1-0 Costa Rica England 2-0 Costa Rica Uruguay 2-2 Italy 1. Uruguay, 7, +3 2. Italy, 5, +1 3. England, 4, +1 4. Costa Rica, 0, -5 Love an optimist. England will definitely need to find at least 5 points to get out of the group though. Might even be easier to steal two wins than go unbeaten with a win and two draws.
Dan Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 Italy do have a habit of choking in games they should win. I wouldn't put it past them to draw all three but at the same time, I wouldn't put it past them to win all three either. Costa Rica aren't actually a bad side either. Got some pretty decent players. It's the hardest to call group of the lot. I'd rank England as the third favourites from it but we do tend to get the results when it comes to the groups.
Manwell Pablo Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 I don't know why people think Uruguay are a great side and better than us. They only have a good attacker is Suarez. Cavani is decent but overrated. Forlan is past it and not noweher near the form he had in 2010 (voted best player of the tournamnet wasn't he?). They finished below Ecuador in qualifying. They have an aging defense and average midfield with no real names. I think Italy 1-0 England Uruguay 1-2 England England 3-1 Costa Rica We get through the group on 6 points and edge past Ivory Coast or Colombia in the last 16. We lose in the QF to Spain or somebody (same old same old) Stan has it bang on you couldn't be more wrong. Slag any side from South America off at your own peril this World Cup ( even ignoring the fact it's taking place in South America), Ecuador are a decent outfit and the Uruguayans have a good side, if you want to talk ageing look at our midfield and I wouldn't even describe our defense as average. Especially if someone gets injured
Uncle Albert Posted 12 December 2013 Posted 12 December 2013 I can see us taking 6 points from the group, cannot for the life of me see us beating Uruguay, we can't beat Chile at home on a cold night let alone Uruguay in them conditions.. I don't see why people are backing Italy against us, they're no better than us and if people honestly think they are then I worry about you. They qualified in the same manner as us in a much easier qualifying group, I think anyway. Pirlo will be 2 years older than the last time we played them and Balotelli is hardly setting the San Siro and Serie A up is he? I'm happy with this group, a few threads ago regarding England I remember saying history will tell us when we have had testing qualification games we have played better throughout the tournament and should have gone on further if it wasn't for heartbreaking moments.. Euro 96 - Switzerland, Scotland and Holland, we get to the Semi-Finals should have won in 90 minutes let alone Gazza's leg not being long enough at end of extra-time. World Cup 2002 - Sweden, Argentina and Nigeria, battered Denmark 3-0 in the last 16 and should of been about 6-0, then heartbreak v Brazil, Beckham shit to Carlos for Rivaldo to equalise and Ronaldinho spawned one.. Brazil then go to play Turkey in the Semi-Finals and proceed to winning it. Euro 2004 - France, Switzerland and Croatia, lost to France harshly if Beckham had put us 2-0 up from the spot we would have worst game and comfortably beat the other two. Then lost out to Portugal on Penalties, still maintain if Rooney hadn't got injured and the Ref didn't cheat to save the host nation then we would of gone on to the Semi-Finals v France. That's just in my lifetime as well, the other tournaments where we have had easier groups like WC's 2006 and 2010 haven't gave us tests and not got us out of first gear like the others have.. 2006 just beat Ecuador in the last 16 and lost to Portugal and 2010.. Needing to beat Slovenia in the last game to get out the group? In second place?! A group of USA, Algeria and Slovenia!! Roll on 2014..
Dan Posted 12 December 2013 Posted 12 December 2013 Italy are no better than us? You having a laugh? They're wrong as comparisons too. Those groups are easier than this one. Italy are definitely better than us in most areas, Uruguay edge it in a neutral for me, let alone in their notoriously difficult home continent. Costa Rica should be 3 points but I don't think they're a certainty to end on 0 (although I reckon they probably will).
Uncle Albert Posted 13 December 2013 Posted 13 December 2013 They weren't meant as comparisons to this group, all I'm saying is it is better to have testing teams in your group than the easier ones we have previously had. You get at the races quicker, you need to be at your best from the start, not your 4th or 5th game into the World Cup like the previous two disasters. Italy are no better than us, I'd like to see you prove me wrong and tell me how they are better actually..
Donut Posted 13 December 2013 Posted 13 December 2013 Going to the latter stages of major tournaments repeatedly in numerous generations including the present. Schooling us in the Euro's before beating us deservedly on penalties. Playing well in the confederations cup and unlucky not to go to the final. Qualified at a canter from their group and rested key players for their final couple of group games while we were desperately sweating over qualification. Barely missed out on a pot one seeding for the world cup while we were nowhere near one. I think its pretty safe to say Italy are better than England.
Manwell Pablo Posted 13 December 2013 Posted 13 December 2013 They weren't meant as comparisons to this group, all I'm saying is it is better to have testing teams in your group than the easier ones we have previously had. You get at the races quicker, you need to be at your best from the start, not your 4th or 5th game into the World Cup like the previous two disasters. Italy are no better than us, I'd like to see you prove me wrong and tell me how they are better actually.. Better than us all over the field. Only Cole would get in their back four and only Gerrard would get in their midfield. Hopefully Barkley can give us that bit of inspiration we need, the gap between the two teams is smaller than it was in 2012 but I'd still make them the better side on paper and will keep the ball better than us. Balotelli not setting Serie A alight Lofty........18 goals in 23 games not enough for you? Clear opinion of someone has glanced at the Serie A table and made judgement based on nothing else
Uncle Albert Posted 13 December 2013 Posted 13 December 2013 That much better than us though their qualification process was the same as ours, we scored 12 more goals, conceded 5 less and I would argue our group was a tough qualification campaign.. Yet they were unlucky not go into pot 1? Euro 2012 will be 2 years ago come the Wolrd Cup, they schooled us but couldn't score a goal? Absolute schooling that is! Yet what happened to them in the Final? Lost 4-0. Italy were a force many years ago, right now? They're the same as us. And Manwell as if Rooney wouldn't get in their side?! lol
Donut Posted 13 December 2013 Posted 13 December 2013 That much better than us though their qualification process was the same as ours, we scored 12 more goals, conceded 5 less and I would argue our group was a tough qualification campaign.. Yet they were unlucky not go into pot 1? Euro 2012 will be 2 years ago come the Wolrd Cup, they schooled us but couldn't score a goal? Absolute schooling that is! Yet what happened to them in the Final? Lost 4-0. Italy were a force many years ago, right now? They're the same as us. And Manwell as if Rooney wouldn't get in their side?! lol The goals we scored were irrelevant as flat track bullying San Marino doesnt count. And our group was woeful. And they did give us an absolute lesson in how to play at the Euros. it could have been 3 or 4 easily on another night. We barely had a kick in the game and couldnt pass the ball to save our lives.
Uncle Albert Posted 13 December 2013 Posted 13 December 2013 The goals we scored were irrelevant as flat track bullying San Marino doesnt count. And our group was woeful. And they did give us an absolute lesson in how to play at the Euros. it could have been 3 or 4 easily on another night. We barely had a kick in the game and couldnt pass the ball to save our lives. A woeful group? Bollocks. Yeah but what was the score after 120 minutes? 0-0! Another day England could win that on penalties. A lesson in football was probably what Italy recieved off Spain in the final.. If you school a team like you're say they did, they score past us, yet they couldn't. England could have had a goal or two in that quarter final. They seriously aren't no better than us and you'll see come the World Cup.
Guest MattP Posted 13 December 2013 Posted 13 December 2013 Have to admit I haven't watched Italy since our game with them but if they have declined to our standard something has gone seriously wrong for then. The game at the euros was embarrassing, no exaggeration to say it could have been 5-0.
ScouseFox Posted 13 December 2013 Posted 13 December 2013 but it was still NIL NIL. A DRAW. Two teams who both didn't score. We drew. WITH THE MIGHTY ITALY!! 0-0!!!! But it could've been 18-0 yano! But what was it? 0 (NIL) - 0 (NIL)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Guest MattP Posted 13 December 2013 Posted 13 December 2013 Yeah of course, but just because it was 0-0 doesn't mean you ignore the actual game of football and pretend we are on terms with them. Montenegro drew with us, we are better than them though.
ScouseFox Posted 13 December 2013 Posted 13 December 2013 So on paper they're marginally better than us now. 2 years ago they were even more better (I don't think that's proper English) than us and we drew 0-0. They battered us 0-0. We'll just have to wait and see but it's not a guaranteed battering like some of you are saying just because on paper a few of their players might pass the ball better than a few of ours.
Guest MattP Posted 13 December 2013 Posted 13 December 2013 Not saying it is. As I said I actually haven't watched Italy, just mentioning that if they are now at our level they must have seriously declined from the side two years ago that played us of the park and beat Germany comfortably in the semis.
Finnegan Posted 13 December 2013 Posted 13 December 2013 So on paper they're marginally better than us now. 2 years ago they were even more better (I don't think that's proper English) than us and we drew 0-0. They battered us 0-0. We'll just have to wait and see but it's not a guaranteed battering like some of you are saying just because on paper a few of their players might pass the ball better than a few of ours. You're a bright lad Scouse but this whole "forget what happened and cling to the score" argument is embarrassing. Were we better than Del Piero and co after we won in 03? You're only as good as your last result? Really? Making judgements on one off scores is silly.
ScouseFox Posted 13 December 2013 Posted 13 December 2013 You're a bright lad Scouse but this whole "forget what happened and cling to the score" argument is embarrassing. Were we better than Del Piero and co after we won in 03? You're only as good as your last result? Really? Making judgements on one off scores is silly. Aww, thanks Yeah I know I'm not saying that, or at least I'm not trying to. All I'm saying is that they were much better than us in 2012, they did outplay us and outpass us, but we drew 0-0. So to be writing us off or saying there's no chance for us at the World Cup because we play them again is silly. We've every chance they "outplay" us and batter us 0-0 again.
Guest MattP Posted 14 December 2013 Posted 14 December 2013 Aww, thanks Yeah I know I'm not saying that, or at least I'm not trying to. All I'm saying is that they were much better than us in 2012, they did outplay us and outpass us, but we drew 0-0. So to be writing us off or saying there's no chance for us at the World Cup because we play them again is silly. We've every chance they "outplay" us and batter us 0-0 again. I'm not arguing that, it's a game of football, anything can happen and often does.
Dan Posted 14 December 2013 Posted 14 December 2013 Yeh, the game was 0-0, that definitely proves how much better England are than Italy. I'm amazed we're having this discussion. If one team has regressed since Euro 2012 of the two it's England. I dislike the cvnt but Terry will be a big miss for us and we'll know about it. We haven't got a defender even close to him. at some of this. If that was France getting absolutely dominated by Italy in the way that we were then we'd have no trouble bringing it up. England's one saving grace from that game, and the campaign itself, was the defence. The defence is nowhere near the level it was even two years ago, I'd love to know how Italy have regressed more than us in that time. Italy have definitely regressed since since 2006 though. Their attack now compared to then is a staggering drop.
Bert Posted 14 December 2013 Author Posted 14 December 2013 Yeh, the game was 0-0, that definitely proves how much better England are than Italy. I'm amazed we're having this discussion. If one team has regressed since Euro 2012 of the two it's England. I dislike the cvnt but Terry will be a big miss for us and we'll know about it. We haven't got a defender even close to him. at some of this. If that was France getting absolutely dominated by Italy in the way that we were then we'd have no trouble bringing it up. England's one saving grace from that game, and the campaign itself, was the defence. The defence is nowhere near the level it was even two years ago, I'd love to know how Italy have regressed more than us in that time. Italy have definitely regressed since since 2006 though. Their attack now compared to then is a staggering drop. Surely it's the same for the other way round then?
Dan Posted 14 December 2013 Posted 14 December 2013 Surely it's the same for the other way round then? Was sarcastic - you've got people in here saying we're better than Italy and then bringing that up as an example. Credit to England for getting the 0-0 - but if anyone couldn't see the gulf in quality between the two teams on the day then so be it, I'm amazed. It's like when Forest beat us - no-one is seriously trying to suggest Forest looked a better side on that day? Credit to them for getting the result, but that game (and how seemingly delighted a lot of their fans were with the performance/result) made me confident we'd end up above them this season. I'd love to know how Italy have supposedly regressed since Euro 2012 more than England, who in that time have lost probably our best player.
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