hackneyfox Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 I honestly have no idea. Perhaps MON and Keane could do week about between Ireland and ourselves. We could **** Burnley up.
Webbo Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 We could **** Burnley up. If they get promoted he won't want to leave, if he doesn't get promoted he can't be good enough.
LCFC FOX Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 The fact we had Pantsil Ball Peltier Abe Vassel Beckford Danns Gallagher Wellens Johnson Fernandes All on big wages we would of been officially bankrupt now. Also none of them players would leave for free and would fight against us to owe them money
Kyle_Le_Don Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 I couldn't give 3 shits what anyone says... Pearson is the right man for the job! PERIOD!
Guest MattP Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 The fact we had Pantsil Ball Peltier Abe Vassel Beckford Danns Gallagher Wellens Johnson Fernandes All on big wages we would of been officially bankrupt now. Also none of them players would leave for free and would fight against us to owe them money You have to hand it to Sven really. It takes serious effort to look as shit as we did and spend that sort of money, genuinely think if you pulled a randomer off the street they would be half as good. That sign language guy from Mandelas funeral could have walked through the door, claimed he played for Ghana and ended up on 25k a week.
BNET Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 People say stability breeds success, does it really? Steve Bruce, Hull = 1 season promotion. Ian Hollway, Palace = less than a season. Sam Allaradyce, West ham = 1 season Promotion Neil Warnock, QPR = 1 season Promotion Brendan Rodgers Swansea = 1 season promotion. Even Paul Lambert and Nigel Adkins won promotion in their first full season after coming up from league one. His fans use any ol' rubbish to prove what a God like man he is. The only thing that counts is winning as i've said before, if he wins promotion, then he's done a good job, if he doesn't he must be and i'm sure he will be sacked. My opinion of him is known so l won't go on about it. Lets hope he wins promotion, but l would not put one penny on him doing it.
BNET Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 Spot on. It's bonkers some people seem to think Pearson would be more deserving of a new deal if we finished 6th with 60 pts and fluked the playoffs but wuld kick him out if we finished 3rd with 85pts and lost in them. It makes no sense. Pearson wasnt given a contract with one aim either, promotion is no doubt an aim but I'd hazard a guess cost cutting was just as big a part of his mandate. Little at least got to the finals, Pearson can't win Semi's, just saying….
Harry - LCFC Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 Little at least got to the finals, Pearson can't win Semi's, just saying…. Hmm good point, getting to the final makes all the difference - if you don't do that then you may as well ignore the other 46 games of the season. It's not like they're a greater reflection of his ability or anything.
BNET Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 Hmm good point, getting to the final makes all the difference - if you don't do that then you may as well ignore the other 46 games of the season. It's not like they're a greater reflection of his ability or anything. That was actually in response to the post saying we should have sacked Little after losing to Blackburn and Swindon, if we talk about sacking Pearson after getting into the play offs. Little went one step more than Pearson as, twice. Just pointing it out.
Harry - LCFC Posted 12 December 2013 Posted 12 December 2013 That was actually in response to the post saying we should have sacked Little after losing to Blackburn and Swindon, if we talk about sacking Pearson after getting into the play offs. Little went one step more than Pearson as, twice. Just pointing it out. And I was pointing out that IMO the extra step from semi final to final is not that significant, and therefore if we should've kept Little (as most people would agree, what with him getting us promoted and that) then surely we should keep Pearson given that their records at this stage are quite similar.
Guest MattP Posted 12 December 2013 Posted 12 December 2013 Little at least got to the finals, Pearson can't win Semi's, just saying…. He can't can he? If he got to the play offs 50 times he'd lose them all? Least if we get rid we can go back to mid table and not have to worry about losing in the play offs.
Guest MattP Posted 12 December 2013 Posted 12 December 2013 Btw after Swindon should we have sacked Little? After all he clearly couldn't win finals.
Strokes Posted 12 December 2013 Posted 12 December 2013 Btw after Swindon should we have sacked Little? After all he clearly couldn't win finals. You sack people if they fail to achieve expectation/targets, Little was not under the same pressure to achieve promotion.
Guest MattP Posted 12 December 2013 Posted 12 December 2013 You sack people if they fail to achieve expectation/targets, Little was not under the same pressure to achieve promotion. Disagree, if someone fails to take you to a target but shows they might be capable of doing so in the near future and you think he has a better chance of achieving it than what is avaliable then I don't think you do. That wasn't my memory of Little, he was under pressure at that time to go up, we threw away automatic promotion with two defeats last two games two years before and then had lost in the play offs again, a few names were being banded about towards the end of that season when we had another poor ending. Fans had far more patience back then though. Everywhere.
Fox92 Posted 12 December 2013 Posted 12 December 2013 I do love Nige. Got so much respect for him. Think he's done an excellent job during both spells at the club, not only on field but off field which some people fail to see. He's the sort of manager that I like; doesn't look like he's a pushover. I like the fact that he likes a more 'tighter' wage bill, and I like the fact he gets rid of the players which seem to release somesort of negative attitude. We didnt' 'fluke' getting to the play offs last season. A team might be able to fluke their way to a Cup final, because it's a knockout competition, but a team cannot fluke a season as it's played over 40+ games, which is why the best team always wins the league and the worst always finishes bottom.
dayday Posted 12 December 2013 Posted 12 December 2013 Nigel has done a fantastic job since he has come back,improved the squad,wages down etc,my only concern is whether he can get us over the line ,just as we look the real deal he then makes some bizaare team selections like Brighton on saturday. I sometimes think he complicants things when he just needs to back his side and let them do what they do best by pressing teams. If we dont get promoted the Thais will most likely draw the axe,they like most will see a manager capable of building promotion winning side but just has not got that final ingrediant.
BNET Posted 12 December 2013 Posted 12 December 2013 He can't can he? If he got to the play offs 50 times he'd lose them all? Stupid question ! Least if we get rid we can go back to mid table and not have to worry about losing in the play How do you work that out ? Back to childishness and silly defence of your demi God !
BNET Posted 12 December 2013 Posted 12 December 2013 Btw after Swindon should we have sacked Little? After all he clearly couldn't win finals. Did you see that game? lf you did you wouldn't talk so much rubbish. Have a look on youtube or somewhere you might find it interesting.
BNET Posted 12 December 2013 Posted 12 December 2013 And I was pointing out that IMO the extra step from semi final to final is not that significant, and therefore if we should've kept Little (as most people would agree, what with him getting us promoted and that) then surely we should keep Pearson given that their records at this stage are quite similar. That step is huge IMO.
Crinklyfox Posted 12 December 2013 Posted 12 December 2013 Most posters believe that NP has done a good job, there are some dissenting voices but there were a lot more last season, especially when we were on that horrendous run of results early in the year. If we are debating whether or not NP should be offered a new contract if we don't go up, it is worth considering what qualities we want in a manager, and whether NP has more of these than a potential replacement. I think that a manager should be able to do the following: 1. Identify players that can either perform at the level required, or who have that potential (preferably the potential to play at a higher level) and attract them to the club. 2. Motivate the players in the squad to give their best to maximize the number of good performances. 3. Select tactics for individual matches that will nullify the opposition and create the greatest opportunities for a win. My view is that NP has largely done well on point 1, with the help of his support staff; he has largely done well on point 2 and seems genuinely surprised when the performances aren't there; he has not always succeeded on point 3. Personally I would like to see NP at the club next year, no matter where we are, but this is a results-driven industry and if we drop down the table over the next few months I don't think that he will be offered a new contract.
BNET Posted 12 December 2013 Posted 12 December 2013 Nigel has done a fantastic job since he has come back,improved the squad,wages down etc,my only concern is whether he can get us over the line ,just as we look the real deal he then makes some bizaare team selections like Brighton on saturday. I sometimes think he complicants things when he just needs to back his side and let them do what they do best by pressing teams. If we dont get promoted the Thais will most likely draw the axe,they like most will see a manager capable of building promotion winning side but just has not got that final ingrediant. Are you a football fan or an accountants groupie ? Whats club finances got to do with supporting a football team, who cares, you wouldn't understand it any way, so why use it as plus points for the manager when you really have no idea if he is a genius number cruncher, which l would hazard a guess he's nothing of the sort. Jesus ! Next we'll be having, on things why we need to keep him, he keeps his trainers nice and clean Martin O'Niell and Brian Little didn't.
Guest MattP Posted 12 December 2013 Posted 12 December 2013 Did you see that game? lf you did you wouldn't talk so much rubbish. Have a look on youtube or somewhere you might find it interesting. Yes I was there.
Harry - LCFC Posted 12 December 2013 Posted 12 December 2013 That step is huge IMO. Well I must say I find that a quite ridiculous opinion to hold, sorry. Having been as damn close as we were in both ties and only going out on the narrowest of margins to say the step is 'huge' isn't fair at all. If penalties go differently on either occasion we've made a huge step forward? But have we really? Is scoring a few penalties really that big? I don't think it is, especially considering it has little to do with management - I find it hard to see how anyone could disagree with me on this specific point. The manager shouldn't get sacked over a handful of missed spot kicks.
Guest MattP Posted 12 December 2013 Posted 12 December 2013 Well I must say I find that a quite ridiculous opinion to hold, sorry. Having been as damn close as we were in both ties and only going out on the narrowest of margins to say the step is 'huge' isn't fair at all. If penalties go differently on either occasion we've made a huge step forward? But have we really? Is scoring a few penalties really that big? I don't think it is, especially considering it has little to do with management - I find it hard to see how anyone could disagree with me on this specific point. The manager shouldn't get sacked over a handful of missed spot kicks. It's probably the most ridiculous argument I've ever read. Effectively we are saying if the keeper chooses to dive the other way on a penalty we took we have taken a big step forward. It's 7am as well, I;d expect this at 2am on a Saturday night.
hackneyfox Posted 12 December 2013 Posted 12 December 2013 He can't can he? If he got to the play offs 50 times he'd lose them all? Least if we get rid we can go back to mid table and not have to worry about losing in the play offs. Well you posted this at 12:09 am so I suppose you're excused because it was late at night. Why would we go back to mid table if we got rid of NFP? You're assuming that all other options would be worse than NFP?
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