Guest Col city fan Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 But he has yet to get us promoted. People want him kept on next season should we just miss out, what happens if we just miss out again next season? Someone even wanted him kept on should we drop into the bottom half. I think there are just some who like Nigel Pearson, the man. Sometimes, I wonder if these people maybe look back in fondness at the League 1 promotion season? Following this, you do have to say that Nige did really well. To get us into the play offs with the squad we had after we went up was no mean feat. HOWEVER... Pearson's record when he took over from Sven was no better than Sven's apparently? I, clearly wrongly, expected him to take Sven's squad and to get us at least into the play offs that season which subsquently never materialised. Then last season.... brilliance and awfulness in equal measure, leading to an inexplicable run of such poor form. Now this season...improvements yes, but again some pretty stinky results and performances. Is Nige the 'real deal'? Time will tell. I think he still could be, but its gotta be this season IMO. If we don't go up, I think he will leave.
Dan Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 I agree dan him and the d.o.f have cut the wages, but you talk about long term plans, the Pearson sides since return have been consistently inconsistent up until now, so if we fail to get promotion from another strong position, how long would you give him, taking into the fact that it would have been 3 years by the end of the season. This is not a dig as you support the man, but out of interest, taking into account the debts the club has, and the continued rise in that debt, so how many more season do you think would be reasonable for him if he continues to fail to reach his targets ? Too hard to say. I do think if we'd won at Wednesday this whole discussion wouldn't even be going on. I can see him being released if we don't go up this year - I just think the owners are would be a bit deluded to demand promotion when we're cutting costs. It isn't wrong to aim for promotion even with our circumstances, but if, given our situation, we were to say promotion or gone, we'd get absolutely nowhere. Thankfully they may have gone for the former - hence why the bloke's still in a job.
Corky Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 I think there are just some who like Nigel Pearson, the man. Sometimes, I wonder if these people maybe look back in fondness at the League 1 promotion season? Following this, you do have to say that Nige did really well. To get us into the play offs with the squad we had after we went up was no mean feat. HOWEVER... Pearson's record when he took over from Sven was no better than Sven's apparently? I, clearly wrongly, expected him to take Sven's squad and to get us at least into the play offs that season which subsquently never materialised. Then last season.... brilliance and awfulness in equal measure, leading to an inexplicable run of such poor form. Now this season...improvements yes, but again some pretty stinky results and performances. Is Nige the 'real deal'? Time will tell. I think he still could be, but its gotta be this season IMO. If we don't go up, I think he will leave. I like him, he took over a mess of a club with a chairman who loved to hire and fire and comedy managers who loved a one-liner, telling fans to chill out in the middle of a relegation battle (fifth in a row) and to make the training ground flowers look pretty whilst producing god-awful football and taking us to new depths. Pearson came in, didn't mess about and nearly got two promotions. Had integrity off the field and our highest attendances since 2004. Doesn't mean he's our greatest ever, he can certainly been improved upon but he'll leave us in a far healthier financial state and has produced some fantastic football, mixed in with inept rubbish I grant you. He must improve on last season, sixth place from here on in isn't good enough. We are capable of top two. Hopefully he'll deliver it.
Babylon Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 But he has yet to get us promoted. People want him kept on next season should we just miss out, what happens if we just miss out again next season? Someone even wanted him kept on should we drop into the bottom half. Completely depends on the seasons we have. As I have always said, what I expect from a manager is improvement. When we stop improving (unless there are exceptional circumstances) then it's time to look at a replacement. Everyone seems to be saying a good manager would have us promoted within a year, does that mean we sack the next manager who comes in if they don't have us promoted within a year?
Monsell1976 Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 Too hard to say. I do think if we'd won at Wednesday this whole discussion wouldn't even be going on. I can see him being released if we don't go up this year - I just think the owners are would be a bit deluded to demand promotion when we're cutting costs. It isn't wrong to aim for promotion even with our circumstances, but if, given our situation, we were to say promotion or gone, we'd get absolutely nowhere. Thankfully they may have gone for the former - hence why the bloke's still in a job. The bloke still has a talented squad, and one of the bigger budgets in the league though.I can't agree it's just down to the Wednesday result, we backed it up with a worse result at Brighton, equally as poor against forest and Doncaster. These results in the early season can be forgiven as we have made a great start, and if it's nipped in the bud, but the performances more than the results are giving cause for concern, rather than overreacting to the results, and for me the performances have had a lot of last season about them.
WhispyWizard Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 Very true but: Steve Bruce, Hull = 1 season promotion. - Inherited a very good Hull side. Ian Hollway, Palace = less than a season. - Inherited a good side formed by Dougie Freedman. Sam Allaradyce, West ham = 1 season Promotion - Inherited a Premiership team, scraped through the play offs. Neil Warnock, QPR = 1 season Promotion - This may be an exception. Brendan Rodgers Swansea = 1 season promotion. - I really rate Rodgers, but even so, Swansea had a decent team already. Even Paul Lambert and Nigel Adkins won promotion in their first full season after coming up from league one. It's quite simple, that people just expect far too much. A lot of City fans I see dwell on the past. We didn't get promotion last season, so we have to be positive about this season - because we are in an excellent position. Would like to add to these: Steve Bruce, Hull = 1 season promotion. - Inherited a very good Hull side which Nigel Pearson built. Nigel Adkins won promotion in their first full season after coming up from league one. and is not doing the same with Reading at the moment Ian Hollway, Palace = less than a season. - Inherited a good side formed by Dougie Freedman. and scraped through the playoffs against arguably a much better squad. Would hate to see him get sacked, no other managers going to do so well with such a low budget imo, but its a good point made that some players will be out of contract anyway.
davieG Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 So after losing to Blackburn & Swindon in the play-offs we should have sacked Brian Little. Stability with a shit manager who has made no progress is a no no. There are far more example of clubs that have changed managers making no appreciable improvement and there's plenty were the club has actually regressed. Changing your manager is a lottery and is no more guaranteed to succeed even if they've previously had some success, in fact most of them are available because they've failed elsewhere or have only succeeded at a lower level.
Babylon Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 So after losing to Blackburn & Swindon in the play-offs we should have sacked Brian Little. Team of bottlers DG... apparently.
sylofox Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 To be honest I am a little worried about this. He's missed a vital point out that makes me wonder if everything is rosey in the camp. There is no mention if his xmas box from the owners will be some new white trainers.
ealingfox Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 Fact of the matter is, if you took Pearson's results and tenure here and imagined it as another manager at another Club, you would say he was doing a good job. The way some of you are going to ever greater and more desperate lengths to avoid admitting he's a good manager is frankly embarrassing.
foxfanazer Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 He was very good in his first tenure but the second time around he really has worked wonders. He has got rid of the big time charlies on ludicrous wages and reolaced them with a good mixture of hungry young players and the odd old head. We aren't the finished article and I'm sure he knows that but in the reasonably short time since he rejoined we are in a far better place than under Sven. He was very good in his first tenure but the second time around he really has worked wonders. He has got rid of the big time charlies on ludicrous wages and reolaced them with a good mixture of hungry young players and the odd old head. We aren't the finished article and I'm sure he knows that but in the reasonably short time since he rejoined we are in a far better place than under Sven.
cityfanlee23 Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 Forgive me if I am speaking out of turn here, but with regards to previous posters giving Pearson full support and thanking him for what he has done for us, Will your loyalty run true if come may we do NOT get promoted, My Foxestalk instinct would suggest NO. Pearson has done a great job at Leicester city, He has brought stability to the club, and has improved a team with less money, It takes a good manager, I'll go on record now to say, If pearson fails to get us promoted, He should be given atleast another 1 Year extension to have a final push, but if he was sacked. I wouldn't be too dishearted, Plenty of managers better than him. And Yes there are plenty of managers better who would come to us.... Not available right now, but will be come may. I hope he succeeds with us, Because if not I am afraid the business instinct of our owners will pull the chain. This is an investment, not a hobby for them.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 He has done a great job, not only in taking control of the team but also by helping to sort out the club on a whole. Such a responsible man, well done Nigel. Don't let's forget that other people have been doing their bit, not solely Pearson.
Guest MattP Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 Does he have to say that? Isn't it obvious to everybody now? Pretty much what I thought. Not a single area of the football club is in a worse position than we he arrived.
Guest MattP Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 He didn't get us promoted which is what he was employed to do. He's had 2 chances already, this is his 3rd, failure surely means no new contract. Surely the question would be "Is Nigel Pearson the best man to lead us to a promotion or is someone else avaliable who we think is better equipped to?" rather than a black and white "No promotion = No Deal" It's obtuse thinking to get rid of someone is no one out there is capable of getting us closer on the same budget.
Guest MattP Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 So after losing to Blackburn & Swindon in the play-offs we should have sacked Brian Little. Stability with a shit manager who has made no progress is a no no. There are far more example of clubs that have changed managers making no appreciable improvement and there's plenty were the club has actually regressed. Changing your manager is a lottery and is no more guaranteed to succeed even if they've previously had some success, in fact most of them are available because they've failed elsewhere or have only succeeded at a lower level. Spot on. It's bonkers some people seem to think Pearson would be more deserving of a new deal if we finished 6th with 60 pts and fluked the playoffs but wuld kick him out if we finished 3rd with 85pts and lost in them. It makes no sense. Pearson wasnt given a contract with one aim either, promotion is no doubt an aim but I'd hazard a guess cost cutting was just as big a part of his mandate.
Lionheart Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 Promotion is the only thing that is going to save this club, I dread to think what is going to happen next season if we are still in this division. We'll be f***ed is what!
Number 6 Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 He's done a great job and we are close to being the real deal. Promotion is not the be all and end all of how I'll judge this season. If we continue to challenge the autos then I'd still keep NP, even if we ultimately missed out.
Dickov22 Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 I'm hopeful he knows what he is doing and we'll get promoted. Should we not then there is no way he should get another contract imo, even if we lose on penalties at Wembley. Who would you prefer?
hackneyfox Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 Surely the question would be "Is Nigel Pearson the best man to lead us to a promotion or is someone else avaliable who we think is better equipped to?" rather than a black and white "No promotion = No Deal" It's obtuse thinking to get rid of someone is no one out there is capable of getting us closer on the same budget. When you get rid of your current manager other managers currently in a job will make it known they are interested in the job. They won't do that while a manager is still in place. The idea that the only managers who would be available are those currently out of a job is wrong.
Guest MattP Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 When you get rid of your current manager other managers currently in a job will make it known they are interested in the job. They won't do that while a manager is still in place. The idea that the only managers who would be available are those currently out of a job is wrong. So you seek out managers in a job and see if they are interested, I know you aren't supposed too, but we all know it happens.
hackneyfox Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 Who would you prefer? I don't know who is/would be available and I'm not the DOF or the owners.
hackneyfox Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 So you seek out managers in a job and see if they are interested, I know you aren't supposed too, but we all know it happens. Well I'd hope that should the worst case scenario happen and we don't go up that the owners and DOF will have an idea of who they want and can get. Unlike the last time when we binned Sven.
Dickov22 Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 I don't know who is/would be available and I'm not the DOF or the owners. And there was me thinking you were Top in disguise! Was a genuine question, not a dig.
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