Soar Fox Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 People say stability breeds success, does it really? Steve Bruce, Hull = 1 season promotion. Ian Hollway, Palace = less than a season. Sam Allaradyce, West ham = 1 season Promotion Neil Warnock, QPR = 1 season Promotion Brendan Rodgers Swansea = 1 season promotion. Even Paul Lambert and Nigel Adkins won promotion in their first full season after coming up from league one.
thybluefox Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 I seriously don't know how Pearson is still splitting opinions. At present, he's the best man, and I feel only man for the job. He's responsible, sensible and the players obviously play for him. I wouldn't want it any other way at present and I really struggle why anybody would want anybody else in charge. Its as simple as that no matter what he does, some people will never like him because of his (perceived) personality. Best manager we've had in years, done wonders in the aftermath of Sven, got us ready for FFP while still moving us forward as a team.
thybluefox Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 People say stability breeds success, does it really? Steve Bruce, Hull = 1 season promotion. Ian Hollway, Palace = less than a season. Sam Allaradyce, West ham = 1 season Promotion Neil Warnock, QPR = 1 season Promotion Brendan Rodgers Swansea = 1 season promotion. Even Paul Lambert and Nigel Adkins won promotion in their first full season after coming up from league one. Pretty much all these managers inherited teams playing well, or with Premiership quality in them? Pearson inherited a squad of overpaid, overrated players who didn't really care for the club. There's a bit of a difference.
Corky Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 People say stability breeds success, does it really? Steve Bruce, Hull = 1 season promotion. Ian Hollway, Palace = less than a season. Sam Allaradyce, West ham = 1 season Promotion Neil Warnock, QPR = 1 season Promotion Brendan Rodgers Swansea = 1 season promotion. Even Paul Lambert and Nigel Adkins won promotion in their first full season after coming up from league one. It doesn't, it's an excuse. Could very nearly have included Pearson in that from 2010.
MooseBreath Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 Anyone who would seriously want Pearson out this summer if he gets us into the playoffs has not learnt anything from history? When were we last successful? Under O'Neill's 5 year reign? How many managers have we had in our slide from the Premiership since? 11. Stability breeds success, look how we have improve from last year. We should only get rid of Pearson if we drop into the bottom half and give him at least 5 games to turn it round if we do (and its not going to happen) MON already had us up and winning trophies by this time in his reign. There is no comparison there. I think Cardiff is the best comparison, they went from bottling it season after season to winning the league at a canter after a change of manager which wasn't all that popular with the fans. And they have nothing like our history of success at this level. Pearson's Leicester has bottled it twice already and nothing about the way we've fallen apart almost apologetically after finding ourselves three points clear at the top suggests that we aren't going to bottle it again. That'll be three cases of close, but not close enough. Cardiff acted at about that stage and were rewarded instantly
MattyFromLE Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 People say stability breeds success, does it really? Steve Bruce, Hull = 1 season promotion. Ian Hollway, Palace = less than a season. Sam Allaradyce, West ham = 1 season Promotion Neil Warnock, QPR = 1 season Promotion Brendan Rodgers Swansea = 1 season promotion. Even Paul Lambert and Nigel Adkins won promotion in their first full season after coming up from league one. Very true but: Steve Bruce, Hull = 1 season promotion. - Inherited a very good Hull side. Ian Hollway, Palace = less than a season. - Inherited a good side formed by Dougie Freedman. Sam Allaradyce, West ham = 1 season Promotion - Inherited a Premiership team, scraped through the play offs. Neil Warnock, QPR = 1 season Promotion - This may be an exception. Brendan Rodgers Swansea = 1 season promotion. - I really rate Rodgers, but even so, Swansea had a decent team already. Even Paul Lambert and Nigel Adkins won promotion in their first full season after coming up from league one. It's quite simple, that people just expect far too much. A lot of City fans I see dwell on the past. We didn't get promotion last season, so we have to be positive about this season - because we are in an excellent position.
hackneyfox Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 'A lot of City fans dwell on the past' Don't they just, constantly going on about how poor the last 10 years have been. Just because we replaced one poor manager with another doesn't mean we'll do the same again should we not extend NFP's contract. If we didn't get promoted and Pearson stayed he's be looking to bring in new players anyway. If we truly have one of the best squads in the division then any new manager would be mad to change things too much.
Dan Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 MON already had us up and winning trophies by this time in his reign. There is no comparison there. I think Cardiff is the best comparison, they went from bottling it season after season to winning the league at a canter after a change of manager which wasn't all that popular with the fans. And they have nothing like our history of success at this level. Pearson's Leicester has bottled it twice already and nothing about the way we've fallen apart almost apologetically after finding ourselves three points clear at the top suggests that we aren't going to bottle it again. That'll be three cases of close, but not close enough. Cardiff acted at about that stage and were rewarded instantly Cardiff came 6th and lost in the play-off semis in Mackay's first full season. Leicester came 6th and lost in the play-off semis in Pearson's first full season. Cardiff won the league in Mackay's second season. Leicester... Definitely the best comparison although the one that seriously goes against Pearson sadly, is Steve Bruce.
hackneyfox Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 I'm hoping that come the end of the Christmas period we'll be top by at least 3 points and in the semis of the League Cup. I'm mentioning this before some idiot accuses me of wanting us to lose because I'm a hater.
Happy Fox Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 Promotion is the only thing that is going to save this club, I dread to think what is going to happen next season if we are still in this division.
Babylon Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 MON already had us up and winning trophies by this time in his reign. There is no comparison there. I think Cardiff is the best comparison, they went from bottling it season after season to winning the league at a canter after a change of manager which wasn't all that popular with the fans. And they have nothing like our history of success at this level. Pearson's Leicester has bottled it twice already and nothing about the way we've fallen apart almost apologetically after finding ourselves three points clear at the top suggests that we aren't going to bottle it again. That'll be three cases of close, but not close enough. Cardiff acted at about that stage and were rewarded instantly Laughable that people now class the season after promotion anything other than a decent year. Losing on pennos to a team who had invested heavily year after year, with a team mostly made up of free transfers, yet we're bottle jobs and failures.
Guest Col city fan Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 People say stability breeds success, does it really? Steve Bruce, Hull = 1 season promotion. Ian Hollway, Palace = less than a season. Sam Allaradyce, West ham = 1 season Promotion Neil Warnock, QPR = 1 season Promotion Brendan Rodgers Swansea = 1 season promotion. Even Paul Lambert and Nigel Adkins won promotion in their first full season after coming up from league one. Spot on. This 'stability' thing is mythical. A good enough manager will turn a club around pretty quick. If he's good enough.
Babylon Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 Promotion is the only thing that is going to save this club, I dread to think what is going to happen next season if we are still in this division. Well what awful thing do you see happening? Even after losing those out of contract players and not buying a single player the team could look like this. Even if we failed to meet FFP we could still get players in over the summer as the embargo doesn't start until the January window. Logan De Laet Moore (Youth Team Player) Schlupp James Drinkerwater King Knockaert Vardy Wood
Mark_w Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 Spot on. This 'stability' thing is mythical. A good enough manager will turn a club around pretty quick. If he's good enough. Okay so how many of those examples are 'good enough managers turning a club around pretty quick'? Is Ian Holloway who took Palace from an Automatic Promotion position to a Play-Off spot with an awful run a good enough manager who turned a club around pretty quickly? Is Sam Allardyce who took a West Ham team that was far too good for the division with significant investment to a Play-Off place a good enough manager who turned a club around pretty quickly? Did Steve Bruce and Brendan Rodgers really have anything to turn around? Pearson had an average squad that cost a ridiculous amount, cut costs and got us into the Play-Offs. Is that really less of an achievement than what Holloway or Allardyce did?
hackneyfox Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 He didn't get us promoted which is what he was employed to do. He's had 2 chances already, this is his 3rd, failure surely means no new contract.
GingerrrFox Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 If we failed to get promotion this season I would still want Nigel to sign a new contract. However I wouldn't be bothered about offering any of the players new contracts except Kasper, Wes and Wasilewski. I'd be perfectly happy going into next season with this as a starting team. Logan De Laet Moore Wasilewski Schlupp Drinkwater James King Knockaert Vardy Wood
Dan Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 Okay so how many of those examples are 'good enough managers turning a club around pretty quick'? Is Ian Holloway who took Palace from an Automatic Promotion position to a Play-Off spot with an awful run a good enough manager who turned a club around pretty quickly? Is Sam Allardyce who took a West Ham team that was far too good for the division with significant investment to a Play-Off place a good enough manager who turned a club around pretty quickly? Did Steve Bruce and Brendan Rodgers really have anything to turn around? Pearson had an average squad that cost a ridiculous amount, cut costs and got us into the Play-Offs. Is that really less of an achievement than what Holloway or Allardyce did? Palace went up despite Holloway rather than because of him. Holloway deserves a lot of credit for what he did with Blackpool, but with Palace? I've never ever seen a poorer promotion.
Guest Col city fan Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 The proponents of the 'stability' theory are simply fans of Pearson. If we had had a crap manager at the club for as long as Pearson has been here, the same faces would be crying for change. Change is called for, they would shout... get rid, get rid.... Pearson isn't a bad manager, to be fair, so people are willing to give him longer. I fear that a lack of promotion this season though, would herald a change. Regarding Steve Bruce...I think he did a great job at Hull. Not so much in changing many of the players, but in getting them playing a system would suited them just right. Very good manager is Bruce who got them up in one season. All credit to the man.
Dan Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 Yes because sticking with a crap manager is lunacy. Sticking with a manager who has built for the longer term, improved us in the shorter term and actually done it cutting a budget, isn't lunacy, or blindly supporting a prat.
hackneyfox Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 But he has yet to get us promoted. People want him kept on next season should we just miss out, what happens if we just miss out again next season? Someone even wanted him kept on should we drop into the bottom half.
Monsell1976 Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 I seriously don't know how Pearson is still splitting opinions. At present, he's the best man, and I feel only man for the job. He's responsible, sensible and the players obviously play for him. I wouldn't want it any other way at present and I really struggle why anybody would want anybody else in charge.Until the man brings success to the club he will split opinions.The man has been given a very well paid 3 year contract, with one main aim, promotion, and his first two season back at leicester has been very frustrating, he's has assembled a team which on its day can beat the best of them at a canter, and a team that is prone to inconsistent performances and results over a season, being beaten by teams towards the lower end of the table. Then there are fans like me, given the choice I wouldn't have had him back, and at the time of the Sven sacking would have liked a fresh face in, but when he came back still supported him. But the most underlying split in wanting him here is wether you think he has what it takes to bring success to the club, this season will tell, again we have seen the best and worse of Nigel Pearson side, and I truly hope he will finally keep the players at their best for the whole season, and be successful, if after getting us in a very strong position again, and then if they bottling it, blow it, how ever you prefer to call it, the man will have proved over 3 years and 3 million pounds in wages, he hasn't got what it takes. But for the sake of our club, I wish the bloke luck, and hope he has a great, successful season, rounded off by promotion.
Guest Col city fan Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 Until the man brings success to the club he will split opinions. The man has been given a very well paid 3 year contract, with one main aim, promotion, and his first two season back at leicester has been very frustrating, he's has assembled a team which on its day can beat the best of them at a canter, and a team that is prone to inconsistent performances and results over a season, being beaten by teams towards the lower end of the table. Then there are fans like me, given the choice I wouldn't have had him back, and at the time of the Sven sacking would have liked a fresh face in, but when he came back still supported him. But the most underlying split in wanting him here is wether you think he has what it takes to bring success to the club, this season will tell, again we have seen the best and worse of Nigel Pearson side, and I truly hope he will finally keep the players at their best for the whole season, and be successful, if after getting us in a very strong position again, and then if they bottling it, blow it, how ever you prefer to call it, the man will have proved over 3 years and 3 million pounds in wages, he hasn't got what it takes. But for the sake of our club, I wish the bloke luck, and hope he has a great, successful season, rounded off by promotion. Excellent, fair and balanced post. The only thing I'd disagree with is not wanting Pearson back at City. I did.
Monsell1976 Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 Yes because sticking with a crap manager is lunacy. Sticking with a manager who has built for the longer term, improved us in the shorter term and actually done it cutting a budget, isn't lunacy, or blindly supporting a prat.I agree dan him and the d.o.f have cut the wages, but you talk about long term plans, the Pearson sides since return have been consistently inconsistent up until now, so if we fail to get promotion from another strong position, how long would you give him, taking into the fact that it would have been 3 years by the end of the season.This is not a dig as you support the man, but out of interest, taking into account the debts the club has, and the continued rise in that debt, so how many more season do you think would be reasonable for him if he continues to fail to reach his targets ?
Babylon Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 The proponents of the 'stability' theory are simply fans of Pearson. If we had had a crap manager at the club for as long as Pearson has been here, the same faces would be crying for change. Change is called for, they would shout... get rid, get rid.... Pearson isn't a bad manager, to be fair, so people are willing to give him longer. I fear that a lack of promotion this season though, would herald a change. Regarding Steve Bruce...I think he did a great job at Hull. Not so much in changing many of the players, but in getting them playing a system would suited them just right. Very good manager is Bruce who got them up in one season. All credit to the man. Stability for the sake of stability is obviously stupid, stability when you are actually moving forward would seem to me fairly logical. Bruce is a good manager, I said as much when many on here scoffed when he took over at Hull. He did take over the core of a decent hardworking team, I highlight team as I think that's something Pearson never took over here. Hull then spent massively last year and ran up losses of £28m in the process of backing him.
suffolk fox Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 Until the man brings success to the club he will split opinions. The man has been given a very well paid 3 year contract, with one main aim, promotion, and his first two season back at leicester has been very frustrating, he's has assembled a team which on its day can beat the best of them at a canter, and a team that is prone to inconsistent performances and results over a season, being beaten by teams towards the lower end of the table. Then there are fans like me, given the choice I wouldn't have had him back, and at the time of the Sven sacking would have liked a fresh face in, but when he came back still supported him. But the most underlying split in wanting him here is wether you think he has what it takes to bring success to the club, this season will tell, again we have seen the best and worse of Nigel Pearson side, and I truly hope he will finally keep the players at their best for the whole season, and be successful, if after getting us in a very strong position again, and then if they bottling it, blow it, how ever you prefer to call it, the man will have proved over 3 years and 3 million pounds in wages, he hasn't got what it takes. But for the sake of our club, I wish the bloke luck, and hope he has a great, successful season, rounded off by promotion. Excellent post. I agree every word.
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