AoWW Posted 26 March 2014 Share Posted 26 March 2014 My misses isn't striking. She'll be in the classroom, as usual, trying to teach 35 hyperactive little cretins whilst playing diplomat to the jumped-up, pampered animals and trying to avoid being kicked and bitten. She'll then have parents evening, during which a bunch of uneducated parents will tell her how to do her job and refuse to accept any comments about their children that contradict the idea that they are faultless angels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rincewind Posted 26 March 2014 Share Posted 26 March 2014 I remember my brother saying that a father once confronted him about striking his son and my brother told him because he lost his tember because the kid swore and lashed out at him. The lad was there and the father gave him a clout. My brother did say he regretted what he did as he thought it was a sign of weakness to retaliate. It was in his early days as a teacher back in the 70's when he would not have been charged with assault. I'm surprised he never did it more because he can lose patience at times. Done it with me a few times when he was explaining things and thought I was not listening and he also does not like being interrupted. Apart from that he makes a good teacher.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronnup Posted 26 March 2014 Share Posted 26 March 2014 I find it funny that a Governemt body who largely can afford and do use private education can de-value a public sector as important as education and the very people who will eventually suffer from inevitably falling standards support it so vehemently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooseBreath Posted 26 March 2014 Share Posted 26 March 2014 I find it funny that a Governemt body who largely can afford and do use private education can de-value a public sector as important as education and the very people who will eventually suffer from inevitably falling standards support it so vehemently. Because giving teachers long and luxurious retirements automatically improves education standards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronnup Posted 26 March 2014 Share Posted 26 March 2014 Because giving teachers long and luxurious retirements automatically improves education standards? Yes. That's what I said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raj Posted 26 March 2014 Share Posted 26 March 2014 Its only NUT striking aint it??/ Militant fcukers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 26 March 2014 Share Posted 26 March 2014 I've heard it all now, we need a "half decent pension and a little bit of holiday". You can have whatever pension you want as far as I'm concerned providing you pay for it yourself, expecting the productive sector of society to continue to be taxed more to top up yours is what we are against. Holidays?, I have no idea but I'd imagine that you get more than the standard 22 days most get, if the holidays bother you that much cancel the Easter school skiiing trip or the summer vacation to France. Can't be bothered to go through the rest, soon as I started reading about Mental Health Issues and that the grammar was poor as it was an Ipad being used it started to remind me of somebody else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rincewind Posted 26 March 2014 Share Posted 26 March 2014 You're in the wrong profession Matt. You have to make do with the Cayman Islands. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/revealed-conservative-peer-lord-blencathraslobbying-contract-for-tax-haven-cayman-islands-9211092.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 26 March 2014 Share Posted 26 March 2014 I've heard it all now, we need a "half decent pension and a little bit of holiday". You can have whatever pension you want as far as I'm concerned providing you pay for it yourself, expecting the productive sector of society to continue to be taxed more to top up yours is what we are against. Holidays?, I have no idea but I'd imagine that you get more than the standard 22 days most get, if the holidays bother you that much cancel the Easter school skiiing trip or the summer vacation to France. Can't be bothered to go through the rest, soon as I started reading about Mental Health Issues and that the grammar was poor as it was an Ipad being used it started to remind me of somebody else. So by referring to the private sector as the 'productive sector', I'm assuming that means giving kids an education or looking after peoples health isn't productive because it is in the public sector and doesn't produce material wealth. Right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 26 March 2014 Share Posted 26 March 2014 So by referring to the private sector as the 'productive sector', I'm assuming that means giving kids an education or looking after peoples health isn't productive because it is in the public sector and doesn't produce material wealth. Right. I meant productive in terms of creating wealth for the state, you know, so we can pay for schools and hospitals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronnup Posted 26 March 2014 Share Posted 26 March 2014 I meant productive in terms of creating wealth for the state, you know, so we can pay for schools and hospitals. God bless those bankers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted 26 March 2014 Share Posted 26 March 2014 God bless those bankers. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rincewind Posted 26 March 2014 Share Posted 26 March 2014 God bless those bankers. If it wasn't for the bankers investing overseas where would the MP's go for their Parliament recess holidays? (about the same length as teachers I believe ) Skeggy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sphericalfox Posted 26 March 2014 Share Posted 26 March 2014 I meant productive in terms of creating wealth for the state, you know, so we can pay for schools and hospitals. You are so backward it's not even funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 26 March 2014 Share Posted 26 March 2014 Is "it was da bankers dat caused da crash, kill da bankers innit" becoming the new Godwin's Law? Despite what Rincewind will try and tell you, I assure you the vast majority of Private Sector workers are not bankers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 26 March 2014 Share Posted 26 March 2014 You are so backward it's not even funny. Surprise, surprise. You pop in with a nothing contribution to the thread except a insult, the rest of us left that behind 12-18 months ago when all your mates left this place along with it. How er, well, predictable. No idea why I took you off ignore, back on you go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rincewind Posted 26 March 2014 Share Posted 26 March 2014 Never said they were. Some are their lawyers, advisers and friends in politics. Forgot the Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sphericalfox Posted 26 March 2014 Share Posted 26 March 2014 Surprise, surprise. You pop in with a nothing contribution to the thread except a insult, the rest of us left that behind 12-18 months ago when all your mates left this place along with it. How er, well, predictable. No idea why I took you off ignore, back on you go. I have contributed the amount that I choose to. I have agreed with points that have been eloquently made by people who seem to know what they are talking about. My post against yours perhaps should have a more detailed response against your ludicrous vantage point, but as you've put me on 'ignore', you'll never read it, so I guess I'd be wasting my time. At least I'm not at work today, so only my daughter will see me crying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alf Bentley Posted 26 March 2014 Share Posted 26 March 2014 Doesn't seem to be a strike at my daughters fee paying prep school. I'm surprised that you can afford the fees, Jon. Wasn't it you that was saying before how skint you were on a £65k salary or something? Apologies if I've mistaken you for some other whinging braggart! Mind you, I always forget that privilege is an entitlement for the super-rich. I meant productive in terms of creating wealth for the state, you know, so we can pay for schools and hospitals. Hmmm! I might be wrong, but I think healthy, educated workers and businesspeople will create more wealth than unhealthy, uneducated workers and businesspeople. Thus, education and health create wealth for the state....you just have to think a bit more long-term, Matt. I realise that you dream of a return to the days of Lords of the Manor (you'd be great in that role) holding a whip hand over a field full of serfs, but I don't think the wealth creation was quite as good in the Middle Ages. God bless those bankers. Absolutely! Then again, maybe they could give a little more back to society. We are all in this together, after all. Maybe people who use their education in a self-enriching manner by joining the private sector should pay back the full cost of their state education from their ill-gotten gains. The extra funds could be used to offer public servants like teachers the sort of pay and pensions that they deserve. Yes. How's about worthless spivs and social leeches like bankers, accountants, lawyers, estate agents, sales executives, insurance salespeople, advertising/marketing wankers and the purveyors of dodgy gambling web sites making a contribution to society for once, the bone idle, whining, money-grabbing, mean-minded stains on humanity! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted 26 March 2014 Share Posted 26 March 2014 Absolutely! Then again, maybe they could give a little more back to society. We are all in this together, after all. Maybe people who use their education in a self-enriching manner by joining the private sector should pay back the full cost of their state education from their ill-gotten gains. The extra funds could be used to offer public servants like teachers the sort of pay and pensions that they deserve. Yes. How's about worthless spivs and social leeches like bankers, accountants, lawyers, estate agents, sales executives, insurance salespeople, advertising/marketing wankers and the purveyors of dodgy gambling web sites making a contribution to society for once, the bone idle, whining, money-grabbing, mean-minded stains on humanity! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 26 March 2014 Share Posted 26 March 2014 I'm surprised that you can afford the fees, Jon. Wasn't it you that was saying before how skint you were on a £65k salary or something? Apologies if I've mistaken you for some other whinging braggart! Mind you, I always forget that privilege is an entitlement for the super-rich. Hmmm! I might be wrong, but I think healthy, educated workers and businesspeople will create more wealth than unhealthy, uneducated workers and businesspeople. Thus, education and health create wealth for the state....you just have to think a bit more long-term, Matt. I realise that you dream of a return to the days of Lords of the Manor (you'd be great in that role) holding a whip hand over a field full of serfs, but I don't think the wealth creation was quite as good in the Middle Ages. Absolutely! Then again, maybe they could give a little more back to society. We are all in this together, after all. Maybe people who use their education in a self-enriching manner by joining the private sector should pay back the full cost of their state education from their ill-gotten gains. The extra funds could be used to offer public servants like teachers the sort of pay and pensions that they deserve. Yes. How's about worthless spivs and social leeches like bankers, accountants, lawyers, estate agents, sales executives, insurance salespeople, advertising/marketing wankers and the purveyors of dodgy gambling web sites making a contribution to society for once, the bone idle, whining, money-grabbing, mean-minded stains on humanity! I'll be honest looking back at my education I don't actually think schools did as much of it as I once assumed, the early years are obviously very important with regard to Maths, English etc but after that I look back at a lot of it and think what was the point? A lot of it in Secondary school was brainwashing nonsense and I've learnt far more about History, the World, people and places from the travelling and making an effort to educate myself since, I sat next to a girl at a few years ago at Northcliffe Media who didn't know who Nelson Mandela or Adolf Hitler was, deadly serious. I don't understand how that can happen. And my Business side didn't develop until well into my 20's and I think I've pretty much done that myself. The bold bit! I have paid far more than my fair share and that's with some rather creative accounting at times! And this game is up now anyway and yours truly is back in the job market, speaking of which, with Mr Gove's new reforms making it easier for professionals to get into the teaching profession without having to do the University course, maybe I should look into it? We should certainly be providing a more diverse range of teachers for our youth I'm sure all would agree. While I've got you engaged I was going to mention to you anyway, are you up for a couple of pints after the QPR game, think we mentioned it the other week? Anyway, I've got a lot of work work today so this is me signing off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobHawk Posted 26 March 2014 Share Posted 26 March 2014 Absolutely! Then again, maybe they could give a little more back to society. We are all in this together, after all. Maybe people who use their education in a self-enriching manner by joining the private sector should pay back the full cost of their state education from their ill-gotten gains. The extra funds could be used to offer public servants like teachers the sort of pay and pensions that they deserve. Yes. How's about worthless spivs and social leeches like bankers, accountants, lawyers, estate agents, sales executives, insurance salespeople, advertising/marketing wankers and the purveyors of dodgy gambling web sites making a contribution to society for once, the bone idle, whining, money-grabbing, mean-minded stains on humanity! You forgot the leeches who pray on those in debt with unaffordable debt repayment schemes, payday loans who credit at rediculaous interest rates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 26 March 2014 Share Posted 26 March 2014 I meant productive in terms of creating wealth for the state, you know, so we can pay for schools and hospitals. I was going to reply, but Alf has already pretty much made my argument for me. Apologies if I appeared a bit chippy and confrontational in that first post btw - it's been a long day, I've been sick recently and so the private sector bleating about having to pay a little more to help maintain the future and health of the country amuses me less than it otherwise would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 26 March 2014 Share Posted 26 March 2014 I was going to reply, but Alf has already pretty much made my argument for me. Apologies if I appeared a bit chippy and confrontational in that first post btw - it's been a long day, I've been sick recently and so the private sector bleating about having to pay a little more to help maintain the future and health of the country amuses me less than it otherwise would. No problem at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeman's Wharfer Posted 26 March 2014 Share Posted 26 March 2014 Not everyone can be a teacher. To be a teacher you have to have qualifications and the ability to be able to teach. If we were talking about screwing lids on bottles as a profession then people could moan about how they have to work harder or do more physically demanding work or that their profession creates more money for the economy, because everyone can be a lid screwer. I could start work as a lid screwer with minimal training. To all of you that cast eyes enviously at teachers holidays and pensions ask yourself why, if it's all so great, not everyone wants to be a teacher?! You'll come to the answer either they don't want to (so it's obviously not as desirable as you first thought) or they can't because they don't have the ability/potential to teach. Like it or not, teachers are a commodity because they are doing a job that everyone else either can't or won't do, and as such they receive associated benefits. The harder the profession is to do the better the rewards will be. From cleaner to Premiership footballer, this is the way of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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