Webbo Posted 28 March 2014 Share Posted 28 March 2014 I don't get why people care about our standing in "international league tables". Our kids don't revise for international exams, other countries do. Because it shows where we stand in the world educationally wise. We're going backwards and our competitors are going forward which isn't good whichever way you look at it. The educational establishment keep telling how they know better while making things worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADK Posted 28 March 2014 Share Posted 28 March 2014 Because it shows where we stand in the world educationally wise. We're going backwards and our competitors are going forward which isn't good whichever way you look at it. The educational establishment keep telling how they know better while making things worse. Did you not read what I wrote? We haven't been targeting the international tests like some other countries do. It is common knowledge that the Asian countries like China and Singapore use these tables as a source of national prestige and so they groom the children for these tests while we don't. So no, it doesn't show where we stand in the world educationally at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 28 March 2014 Share Posted 28 March 2014 Did you not read what I wrote? We haven't been targeting the international tests like some other countries do. It is common knowledge that the Asian countries like China and Singapore use these tables as a source of national prestige and so they groom the children for these tests while we don't. So no, it doesn't show where we stand in the world educationally at all. It's a standard test in writing and maths. You don't have to be groomed to pass a test to know basic maths and we don't know it as well as the foreign kids. It's also been proved that we're doing worse at these tests than we were 30 years ago so whatever excuse you come up with we are definitely going backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katieakita Posted 28 March 2014 Share Posted 28 March 2014 Webbo perhaps we can agree to disagree on somethings, think we need to look at parenting rather than teaching and don't know what line of work your in but some of my customers and their offspring can appear beyond hope and we can't blame the Mail and Times favourite politician for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADK Posted 28 March 2014 Share Posted 28 March 2014 It's a standard test in writing and maths. You don't have to be groomed to pass a test to know basic maths and we don't know it as well as the foreign kids. It's also been proved that we're doing worse at these tests than we were 30 years ago so whatever excuse you come up with we are definitely going backwards. I disagree. No matter the test, you will perform better if you practice and revise that style of test. I don't believe we are going backwards. I don't know how you can possibly conclude that is definite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merging Cultures Posted 2 April 2014 Share Posted 2 April 2014 Did the teachers get what they wanted??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AoWW Posted 2 April 2014 Share Posted 2 April 2014 Did the teachers get what they wanted??? Of course not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beliall Posted 2 April 2014 Share Posted 2 April 2014 Does AoWW stand for something or is it like "Aoww! I feel good! " ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AoWW Posted 2 April 2014 Share Posted 2 April 2014 Does AoWW stand for something or is it like "Aoww! I feel good! " ? It stands for something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beliall Posted 2 April 2014 Share Posted 2 April 2014 Fine. Keep your secrets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AoWW Posted 2 April 2014 Share Posted 2 April 2014 Fine. Keep your secrets I thought it was common knowledge! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beliall Posted 2 April 2014 Share Posted 2 April 2014 Probably. I havent heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itsthejoeker Posted 2 April 2014 Share Posted 2 April 2014 Probably. I havent heard. Another One of Walshies Women Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beliall Posted 2 April 2014 Share Posted 2 April 2014 Ah. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AoWW Posted 2 April 2014 Share Posted 2 April 2014 Another One of Walshies Women Wrong. That would make it AooWW, which sounds even more painful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stadt Posted 2 April 2014 Share Posted 2 April 2014 Wrong. That would make it AooWW, which sounds even more painful! I've always wondered, were you one of Walshie's women? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facecloth Posted 2 April 2014 Share Posted 2 April 2014 I've always wondered, were you one of Walshie's women? A lady never tells!So tell us AoWW, were you one of Walshie's women? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rincewind Posted 2 April 2014 Share Posted 2 April 2014 Another Old Washer Woman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 3 April 2014 Share Posted 3 April 2014 I've always been puzzled by what teachers do between their holidays, and their strikes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The God Emperor Posted 3 April 2014 Share Posted 3 April 2014 I've always been puzzled by what teachers do between their holidays, and their strikes? Indoctrinate our children with their marxist lies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADK Posted 3 April 2014 Share Posted 3 April 2014 Watch Netflix on their laptops and drink coffee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooseBreath Posted 22 April 2014 Share Posted 22 April 2014 http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/education-27087942 I wonder how reliable this is, given it is self reported, but even with that flaw this report disproves claims that teachers are working long into the night and all weekend. It shows that teachers work about 55 hours per teaching week. Add in the 12 weeks of holiday and they average considerably less hours over a year than other professions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parafox Posted 22 April 2014 Share Posted 22 April 2014 http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/education-27087942 I wonder how reliable this is, given it is self reported, but even with that flaw this report disproves claims that teachers are working long into the night and all weekend. It shows that teachers work about 55 hours per teaching week. Add in the 12 weeks of holiday and they average considerably less hours over a year than other professions. No. It shows that teachers work BETWEEN 55 and 63 hours per week depending on which level of teaching, primary, secondary, head. You can make a post and leave out the detail of a report to reflect your own thinking and hope that people will read what you say and believe it to be accurate without clicking the link, which in turn you hope will sway others to believe that teachers claims are spurious and unfounded. There are a number of teachers who post here that all say the same thing about working during holidays, making lesson plans (not just for one lesson but several in advance), marking (particularly secondary school teachers for GCSE's and mock exams) etc. Are you saying they are all being disingenuous? I don't know what you do as a job but I doubt you have to spend much, if any time, planning a months work in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rincewind Posted 22 April 2014 Share Posted 22 April 2014 I suppose it depends on what level you are. There may be some teachers that go into school do the minimum hours then go home. Others prepare lessons mark home work and do out of school activities. My brother when a teacher had to set out the program for the coming term and took after school classes for pupils that wanted them. This was his free time and unpaid. I expect there is less homework marking for woodwork than there is for English or Maths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooseBreath Posted 22 April 2014 Share Posted 22 April 2014 No. It shows that teachers work BETWEEN 55 and 63 hours per week depending on which level of teaching, primary, secondary, head. You can make a post and leave out the detail of a report to reflect your own thinking and hope that people will read what you say and believe it to be accurate without clicking the link, which in turn you hope will sway others to believe that teachers claims are spurious and unfounded. There are a number of teachers who post here that all say the same thing about working during holidays, making lesson plans (not just for one lesson but several in advance), marking (particularly secondary school teachers for GCSE's and mock exams) etc. Are you saying they are all being disingenuous? I don't know what you do as a job but I doubt you have to spend much, if any time, planning a months work in advance. No. Between 55 and 59 hours for teachers. 63 is for head masters, who aren't teachers. Add a dose of reality taking into account that this is self reported and teachers have an incentive to embellish their actual hours somewhat and it's clear they're not all working the ridiculous hours many claim. Even if we take the report on face value it shows that teachers arent working as much as they claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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