Wigan Post Match Thread 2 - 2

[_Fatboyslow_]

Im going to wade into this debate and keep my response nice and simple.

Given that option B has our beloved club all but promoted at the beginning of April in one of the most competitive leagues in the world, on a 20 game unbeaten run i would go for that.

How anyone can even dream to question or criticise Nig's approach over the course of the season completely baffles me.

And choose to ignore he was in hospital 10 days ago, who knows how this effected things ? Think Yeovil and yes we are still unbeaten on how many matchs and avoided defeat in three aways fixtures a lot had us down to lose. Are you lot really enjoying this season ?

[Libertine Dream]

Still unbeaten and got a point at a tough place to go. They do say win your home games and draw your away games so we did what is needed despite making 6 changes albeit they also made changes. Good game, a little nervy and we probably didn't deserve a point. Interesting to see that the Wigan fans on twitter and their forum saying how good we were and the best team they've seen blah blah blah, goes to show that even when we think it's poor, we're still a very good outfit

[The Doctor]

This....please wigan fluke a result against Man City and suddenly they are Barcelona/Bayern Munich rolled into one? With the team we played I will take a draw tonight however, let's not build Wigan up to a lavel they are not. Until Rosler came in they were in freefall and going nowhere. Freak results happen in football sometimes Wigan beating Man City was one of those.

Because coyle was a donkey. And 2 wins over man city in the last 2 starts to look less like a fluke, more like a good team

[Guest]

I was unable to watch the match last night but reading through the match thread already knowing the score was hilarious.

 

Some of the posters really need to shut up.

 

even if the team or players are having an off-night they is no need to savagely berate them. No team can win every game and as someone said you are going to have a miserable year next year. This is one of the greatest ever seasons in terms of wins in Leicester history.

 

Enjoy it while you can.

[bluesbrothers]

Great away day - Wigan was a suprisingly nice place and the locals were friendly folk. Speaks volumes that the only idiot I encountered was the speccy twat who didn't take kindly to me accidentally ending up in the two free seats next to him when I went up the wrong stairwell and decided to ignore the match for the 5 minutes up 'til Half time and have a go at me instead. I'm not complaining, because he was so busy being a seanut that he missed Kingy's equaliser. So much for the away day "family."

Anyway, another solid away point at a Wigan side with obvious quality in their ranks. McClean threatened to tear us a new one, and so I'm pleased with the job our centre backs did to negate the threat he posed. De Laet was MOTM, always dangerous going forward and never shrank away from a challenge. Konch was steady enough, though guilty of some sloppy passing when going forward - that said, I only recall him being caught out once when Antoine-Fortune managed to skin him and get to the byline, so not a bad showing for someone who I'd expect to be a lot more "rusty" after so long out of the matchday squad.

 

We need to sort out set-pieces, both defensively and attacking. Hammond deserves massive credit for showing some of the shrinking flowers in our midst how to attack a ball in the air, and he was probably the best of a midfield 4 who were by no means awful, but lacked the understanding and intuition you only get from building a long term partnership, a la Drinky & James + wingers.

 

Otherwise, a solid performance given the amount of changes we made. Thought we were toothless up-front to start with, and that only really changed once the Dad's Army came on - though Phillips needs to learn to read Taylor-Fletcher's playmaking better. Mahrez had a decent game from the bench, too, and can't be faulted for his delivery for our second.

Bottom line, we probably did tinker a little too much last night, but when what is now essentially our "second string" can grind out a result like that away from home, I've got no complaints.

[Manwell Pablo]

Because we weren't in the position we are now, then.

If that team last night had played against Yeovil and only got a point, you would have been spitting feathers just as you are now.

 

Well we were in a pretty decent position actually. the shit result against them is what dragged Burnley in closer and made that game so interesting in the first place. 

 

Last night was just baffling to me, to put your weak side out against the team that is most likely to beat you in  a congested run is just poor and or complacent management. The rest of you might have developed into brain washed sheep due to the fact that we're top of the league but I'll keep hold of my independent thought thank you. As you know I've defended the man to the hilt against people on here who have called for his head and he has done an out standing job here, that does not mean I'm not going to say anything if he does something that seriously goes against the way I think we should be approaching things. Anyway as I said, it's not a major gripe, as it's ultimately going to mean nothing. 

[Babylon]

Well we were in a pretty decent position actually. the shit result against them is what dragged Burnley in closer and made that game so interesting in the first place. 

 

Last night was just baffling to me, to put your weak side out against the team that is most likely to beat you in  a congested run is just poor and or complacent management. The rest of you might have developed into brain washed sheep due to the fact that we're top of the league but I'll keep hold of my independent thought thank you. As you know I've defended the man to the hilt against people on here who have called for his head and he has done an out standing job here, that does not mean I'm not going to say anything if he does something that seriously goes against the way I think we should be approaching things. Anyway as I said, it's not a major gripe, as it's ultimately going to mean nothing. 

[Father Ted]

I was unable to watch the match last night but reading through the match thread already knowing the score was hilarious.

 

Some of the posters really need to shut up.

 

even if the team or players are having an off-night they is no need to savagely berate them. No team can win every game and as someone said you are going to have a miserable year next year. This is one of the greatest ever seasons in terms of wins in Leicester history.

 

Enjoy it while you can.

I always knew you weren't one of us.

[Fez of Mahrez]

Don't really understand the criticism. Last night felt like a shot to nothing for me. There are going to be too many days of the week in this sentence but Saturday was massive, the Wednesday game on Friday is massive so to play the Tuesday away (again) against a team in good form packed with Premier League experience was always going to be tough.

We rest players, get a point and can go back to our usual style on Friday with almost everyone as fresh as you could reasonably expect.

It always had a "game in hand" feel, even on top of it being, on paper, about as tough a fixture as you get in this division.

For me, brilliant management and a brilliant result. Felt like a win.

[Captain...]

Don't really understand the criticism. Last night felt like a shot to nothing for me. There are going to be too many days of the week in this sentence but Saturday was massive, the Wednesday game on Friday is massive so to play the Tuesday away (again) against a team in good form packed with Premier League experience was always going to be tough.

We rest players, get a point and can go back to our usual style on Friday with almost everyone as fresh as you could reasonably expect.

It always had a "game in hand" feel, even on top of it being, on paper, about as tough a fixture as you get in this division.

For me, brilliant management and a brilliant result. Felt like a win.

 

So would you have been ok if we had lost that game?

[Guest]

Well we were in a pretty decent position actually. the shit result against them is what dragged Burnley in closer and made that game so interesting in the first place. 

 

Last night was just baffling to me, to put your weak side out against the team that is most likely to beat you in  a congested run is just poor and or complacent management. The rest of you might have developed into brain washed sheep due to the fact that we're top of the league but I'll keep hold of my independent thought thank you. As you know I've defended the man to the hilt against people on here who have called for his head and he has done an out standing job here, that does not mean I'm not going to say anything if he does something that seriously goes against the way I think we should be approaching things. Anyway as I said, it's not a major gripe, as it's ultimately going to mean nothing. 

 

2 gamesz in three days Manwell would you prefer the changes were made for Burnley or Wigan. NP seems to have planned it well and now those rested can come back and help get us 3 points against Sheff Wed. 7 points from those 3 games is a better than can be hoped for result.

 

I always knew you weren't one of us.

I'm not one of you. I'm an optimistic realist. Not a moaning twat.

[Guest]

So would you have been ok if we had lost that game?

 

Surely the choice of resting players is either against Burnley away or Wigan away. Burnley being in second and our biggest threat were rightly targetted as the more important game. The win there allowed us to rest players knowing that even a loss against wigan was not so much of a big deal.

[Fez of Mahrez]

So would you have been ok if we had lost that game?

Not "ok" but I'm loathed to criticise at the moment in the circumstances. And that's even taking into account the ticket, travel, food and drink, full day of annual leave. I just love supporting this club, especially at the moment. Love the team, love the management, it's just some of the moaning gits who hack me off a tiny bit.

I understand I'm different to some people though in the sense that I don't mind the odd defeat, I can cope with them better than some.

It did look like we were going to lose and I was surprised when we equalised, and I still wasn't spitting blood at half the team like some around me last night and some in the match thread on here.

[Father Ted]

2 gamesz in three days Manwell would you prefer the changes were made for Burnley or Wigan. NP seems to have planned it well and now those rested can come back and help get us 3 points against Sheff Wed. 7 points from those 3 games is a better than can be hoped for result.

 

I'm not one of you. I'm an optimistic realist. Not a moaning twat.

Funny how your tone has changed throughout the season and now you claim to be an optimist. 

[lcfcsnow]

I'm often the first to moan but for those few who can't let it go, Pearson did exactly this at the beginning of the year against Millwall and Stoke and following those games we were fresh and won another 5 in a row and we still haven't lost a single game since. If he hadn't, the chances are we'd have lost a few and we wouldn't be in the position we are now.

[RobHawk]

So would you have been ok if we had lost that game?

 

You can't win every game! But even if we had put our best 11 out last night theres no guarentee we would win it!

 

The championship is a marathon not a sprint! Last night was a good result no matter how it happened! If we could defend set pieces we might have won 2-0! Its all ifs and buts!

 

The facts of the matter are we drew away from home. In my opinion that is a good result no matter who played. The fact we are on a record unbeaten run suggests Nig knows what he is doing. You may not agree with last nights selection but it is 1 game of 46! And its where you are at the end of the 46 games that counts. As it is we are on for a club record points haul. Looking at one game and saying it was wrong is very very short sighted! 

 

Feel free not to agree with Nig but also see the bigger picture because we may never see a season such as this in our lifetimes so concentrating on a line up for 1 game when we still came away with a point just doesn't make sense.

 

In fairness to yourself, whilst i replied to your comment there are others in this thread that are far worse and just flat out deluded! I responded to you because at least you were asking questions and not just pretending to be a sports science expert with insider knowledge of the LCFC team.

[Guest]

Funny how your tone has changed throughout the season and now you claim to be an optimist. 

 

It is hard to be as foolish as you are?

 

I've always been an optimist as my posts in all threads all seasons show. I've ALWAYS stated that we'd be promoted. I find it amazing that you have taken my criticism of your childishness to heart for so long.

[Manwell Pablo]

2 gamesz in three days Manwell would you prefer the changes were made for Burnley or Wigan. NP seems to have planned it well and now those rested can come back and help get us 3 points against Sheff Wed. 7 points from those 3 games is a better than can be hoped for result.

 

I'm not one of you. I'm an optimistic realist. Not a moaning twat.

 

yeah because we never play Saturday Tuesday with the same team!

[Bert]

Let's remember that no team has any given right to win a game in this league, that includes us.

[Manwell Pablo]

I'm often the first to moan but for those few who can't let it go, Pearson did exactly this at the beginning of the year against Millwall and Stoke and following those games we were fresh and won another 5 in a row and we still haven't lost a single game since. If he hadn't, the chances are we'd have lost a few and we wouldn't be in the position we are now.

 

Millwall was fine, Millwall was exactly the kind of game we should be resting players, it's a game where it might even help us in a way.

[Captain...]

2 gamesz in three days Manwell would you prefer the changes were made for Burnley or Wigan. NP seems to have planned it well and now those rested can come back and help get us 3 points against Sheff Wed. 7 points from those 3 games is a better than can be hoped for result.

 

Or 3 in 6 Or 7 games in 24 days, it is not a choice of Burnley or Wigan to rest players, we have had weeks to manage their fitness, Yeovil, and Wednesday would have been better games to make a couple of changes, or a couple of changes in the games before Yeovil. 

 

Surely the choice of resting players is either against Burnley away or Wigan away. Burnley being in second and our biggest threat were rightly targetted as the more important game. The win there allowed us to rest players knowing that even a loss against wigan was not so much of a big deal.

 

See above comment.

Not "ok" but I'm loathed to criticise at the moment in the circumstances. And that's even taking into account the ticket, travel, food and drink, full day of annual leave. I just love supporting this club, especially at the moment. Love the team, love the management, it's just some of the moaning gits who hack me off a tiny bit.

I understand I'm different to some people though in the sense that I don't mind the odd defeat, I can cope with them better than some.

It did look like we were going to lose and I was surprised when we equalised, and I still wasn't spitting blood at half the team like some around me last night and some in the match thread on here.

 

I also don't mind the odd defeat, I was very positive despite the defeats at the start of last season as it seemed we were on the right track and the performances deserved better results. I also don't lose my head and criticise in the match thread, I generally avoid it. I just think it was an avoidable risk to jeopardise the game by making 6 changes, especially as those that came in hadn't been playing much, and risk our unbeaten run in the process.

 

I'm often the first to moan but for those few who can't let it go, Pearson did exactly this at the beginning of the year against Millwall and Stoke and following those games we were fresh and won another 5 in a row and we still haven't lost a single game since. If he hadn't, the chances are we'd have lost a few and we wouldn't be in the position we are now.

 

I criticised it then as well, how will you feel next season should NP do the same over Christmas but instead of against Millwall he does it against Man City?

You can't win every game! But even if we had put our best 11 out last night theres no guarentee we would win it!

 

The championship is a marathon not a sprint! Last night was a good result no matter how it happened! If we could defend set pieces we might have won 2-0! Its all ifs and buts!

 

The facts of the matter are we drew away from home. In my opinion that is a good result no matter who played. The fact we are on a record unbeaten run suggests Nig knows what he is doing. You may not agree with last nights selection but it is 1 game of 46! And its where you are at the end of the 46 games that counts. As it is we are on for a club record points haul. Looking at one game and saying it was wrong is very very short sighted! 

 

Feel free not to agree with Nig but also see the bigger picture because we may never see a season such as this in our lifetimes so concentrating on a line up for 1 game when we still came away with a point just doesn't make sense.

 

In fairness to yourself, whilst i replied to your comment there are others in this thread that are far worse and just flat out deluded! I responded to you because at least you were asking questions and not just pretending to be a sports science expert with insider knowledge of the LCFC team.

 

It doesn't matter whether we won lost or drew last night, I don't agree with it as an approach, it sends the wrong message to the fringe players, and risks whichever match he choses to do it in, by changing what has been a settled team and introducing players who haven't played for weeks, in some cases months, it is a risk.

 

If those players that came in had played more in recent weeks, particularly King and Hammond if they had played more than a handful of minutes since New Years Day, starting the odd match, getting a full second half, rather than the odd 10 minutes, I would have no problem with Pearson making 6 changes, but the fact not one of them had started a game for over a month, 22nd of Feb was the last time Dyer started, is a risk. This was also the first time Dyer and Moore had started after being out through injury, that is a risk on it's own, their fitness hadn't been fulled tested over 90 minutes.

 

It was an unnecessary and avoidable risk, and that is why I don't agree with it, anyway I'll leave it there for now.

[LCCFox96]

People need to relax a little bit in here. Yes last night was a sub-standard performance but given we made six changes (that back four haven't played together in ages) to a side steamrollering teams surely people expected a less fluid performance with a few hare em scare em moments. We got exactly that last night. But to round it off positively we got a great, Hard earned point in tough away game against a strong side. That's a good result in my book.

Regardless of the performance any points we took last night were a bonus because we got a win on Saturday. We just extended our lead, suring up 1st place and practically sealing automatics.

See it as another point ticked off the list and 1 step closer towards promotion.

[Guest Col city fan]

I'm thinking of doing the same

Bet you don't. .

[Dan]

Exactly how I feel. 

 

I honestly left the game feeling like we'd won. The thought of going up on Saturday when we aren't even playing frightens me. It would be the ultimate anti-climax.

[Number 6]

Do Nige and his team not have gps data on the players? So they would know if someone's pace had dropped 5% for example? My guess is they knew very well what they were doing and it was simply squad management. I also think the fact that it was a bit of a 'freebie' (no one would be gaining ground o the the night) played a part.

Anyway it worked, why are people moaning?