artursteppe Posted 2 June 2014 Posted 2 June 2014 Weren't you one of the ones calling yourself a realist whilst demanding Pearson got sacked. You're making that up. Pretty low way to make a point. Had your cage rattled by me again have you? Dream, go on, try it just dream. Don't be an absolute BORE all your life!
Babylon Posted 2 June 2014 Posted 2 June 2014 You're making that up. Pretty low way to make a point. Had your cage rattled by me again have you? Dream, go on, try it just dream. Don't be an absolute BORE all your life! You see there is a rather big difference between "weren't you" and "you were". If you weren't then I must have mistaken you for one of the other miseries. We will not make top two with Pearson and if we get to the play-offs, promotion will still be a long shot, when most opposition managers have more idea than Pearson. For those who do not understand what I am saying. When I say Pearson must go whether we get promoted or not actually means that I believe Pearson must be sacked whether we get promoted or not. The reason being is, as so many now seem to realise, he is tactically inept. I'll stick to how I am thanks if it means not coming out with shit like the above.
Nick Posted 2 June 2014 Posted 2 June 2014 If the maximum we could offer Barry was £30k per week, he won't come here. If it's £40K and a 3 year contract however....... He still won't come here.
Babylon Posted 2 June 2014 Posted 2 June 2014 If it's £40K and a 3 year contract however....... I saw the white bit, but jesus I hope we aren't offering anyone over 30 a three year contract. Especially not a 33 year old.
Fox Ulike Posted 2 June 2014 Posted 2 June 2014 If we sign Gareth Barry, are we going to: Drop Matty James? Put Gareth Barry on the bench? Play two defensive ‘anchormen’. Neither of those 3 options makes any sense. Option 3 might be worthwhile when we are away at the top four. But what are we going to do for the other 34 games of the season? Gareth Barry appears to have a really good agent who has managed to stir up interest from a range of clubs (Leicester, West Ham, Everton, Arsenal). Barry’s motivation in joining us seems to stem from a rumour that he wants to return to his Midlands base. If this were true, why would we want to sign a player whose only motivation in joining us was to reduce his daily commute. Forget it. I’ve said before, Midfield is our strongest area. Matty James will take to the Premiership like a duck to water. He doesn’t need replacing by a big-name player. So I don’t think this will happen either. Not even in my dreams. I don't dream of us playing two defensive midfielders and ending the season safe on 38 points from 38 nil-nil draws.
Fox Ulike Posted 2 June 2014 Posted 2 June 2014 You see there is a rather big difference between "weren't you" and "you were". If you weren't then I must have mistaken you for one of the other miseries. I'll stick to how I am thanks if it means not coming out with shit like the above. Oooooh game over. Babylon beats artursteppe in straight sets: 6-0, 6-0, 6-0.
gibbin82 Posted 2 June 2014 Posted 2 June 2014 I saw the white bit, but jesus I hope we aren't offering anyone over 30 a three year contract. Especially not a 33 year old. Some players such as Ryan Giggs manage to defy their age and continue to be worth a large contract well into their 30's, but I am not sure if Gareth Barry is one of them.
Happy Fox Posted 2 June 2014 Posted 2 June 2014 Gareth Barry isn't injury prone though, he has consistently played over 40 games a season for the past 10 years.
Babylon Posted 2 June 2014 Posted 2 June 2014 Some players such as Ryan Giggs manage to defy their age and continue to be worth a large contract well into their 30's, but I am not sure if Gareth Barry is one of them. I agree, even with Giggs, if you took him out of the Man Utd team and put him in a bottom half team facing a dog fight I'm not sure he'd have lasted so long.
MC Prussian Posted 2 June 2014 Posted 2 June 2014 I really do not know why we have so many fans who seem so frightened to dream. Such a bunch of no-hope pessimists. You do not have to respond by calling yourselves realists, I don't want to read your drivel. I prefer to hope and dream, the way some Man City fans did a few years ago when they just managed to beat Gillingham at Wembley. I don't know what a playoff win and subsequent promotion to the First Division now have in common with our potential transfer targets and our attempt at building/adding to a competitive squad. We're trying to establish ourselves in the top flight, the 1999 event was an utterly dramatic game that could've well gone in Gillingham's favour. Besides, Manchester City are and always have been bigger than us.
nickelbyfox Posted 2 June 2014 Posted 2 June 2014 The more I think about this, the more I think this would be a great signing. Barry to sit just in front the defence and marshal the midfield. Doubt we will match his wage demands though
Babylon Posted 2 June 2014 Posted 2 June 2014 If we sign Gareth Barry, are we going to: Drop Matty James? Put Gareth Barry on the bench? Play two defensive ‘anchormen’. Neither of those 3 options makes any sense. Option 3 might be worthwhile when we are away at the top four. But what are we going to do for the other 34 games of the season? I do think we need another quality CM to compete with those two but like you say Barry wouldn't make sense. He'd expect to start, with what he'd be earning you'd imagine he would do. And you could only play them all when going 451/433 which will only happen when we play the big boys IMO.
Mikey Posted 2 June 2014 Posted 2 June 2014 If we sign Gareth Barry, are we going to: Drop Matty James? Put Gareth Barry on the bench? Play two defensive ‘anchormen’. Neither of those 3 options makes any sense. Option 3 might be worthwhile when we are away at the top four. But what are we going to do for the other 34 games of the season? Gareth Barry appears to have a really good agent who has managed to stir up interest from a range of clubs (Leicester, West Ham, Everton, Arsenal). Barry’s motivation in joining us seems to stem from a rumour that he wants to return to his Midlands base. If this were true, why would we want to sign a player whose only motivation in joining us was to reduce his daily commute. Forget it. I’ve said before, Midfield is our strongest area. Matty James will take to the Premiership like a duck to water. He doesn’t need replacing by a big-name player. So I don’t think this will happen either. Not even in my dreams. I don't dream of us playing two defensive midfielders and ending the season safe on 38 points from 38 nil-nil draws. I wouldn't really class James as a defensive anchorman. A midfield of Drinkwater, James and Barry looks like it would have fantastic balance to me.
nickelbyfox Posted 2 June 2014 Posted 2 June 2014 I wouldn't really class James as a defensive anchorman. A midfield of Drinkwater, James and Barry looks like it would have fantastic balance to me. Yep I agree - Everton played it quite a bit with Osman & McCarthy last year to good effect
Banks Posted 2 June 2014 Posted 2 June 2014 If we signed Barry then it would be a massive coup, great player. He'd be perfect alongside Drinkwater and James.
Fox Ulike Posted 2 June 2014 Posted 2 June 2014 I wouldn't really class James as a defensive anchorman. A midfield of Drinkwater, James and Barry looks like it would have fantastic balance to me. I think James and Barry are too similar. They’d both be trying to occupy the same space, just sitting in the middle in front of the defence, 'pulling the strings'. They’d get in each other’s way like Lampard and Gerrard used to do for England over and over. With a 3 man midfield there’s only one up front. So unless we’re planning to defend for 90 minutes, the three man midfield needs to have a player capable of joining the attack. Drinkwater is good at bringing the ball forward, but he’s not an attacker. He’s not going to be making darting runs to support Vardy. That's not his game. OK we could play with two attacking wide players, but then we’re reliant on crosses for our goals, and it would be fairly easy to defend a cross with only Vardy (and maybe Drinkwater) attacking it. Plus, what happens if we go one down in a game? Would we need to make a substitution every single time? James and Barry together only works if the third midfielder is somebody like King or Nugent. So are we really wanting to drop Drinkwater to make room for Gareth Barry? Bad move all round.
muzzy1981 Posted 2 June 2014 Posted 2 June 2014 Barry would provide James and Drinky with an education in playing top half prem / international level football. He would be an amazing acquisition.
Mikey Posted 2 June 2014 Posted 2 June 2014 I think James and Barry are too similar. They’d both be trying to occupy the same space, just sitting in the middle in front of the defence, 'pulling the strings'. They’d get in each other’s way like Lampard and Gerrard used to do for England over and over. With a 3 man midfield there’s only one up front. So unless we’re planning to defend for 90 minutes, the three man midfield needs to have a player capable of joining the attack. Drinkwater is good at bringing the ball forward, but he’s not an attacker. He’s not going to be making darting runs to support Vardy. That's not his game. OK we could play with two attacking wide players, but then we’re reliant on crosses for our goals, and it would be fairly easy to defend a cross with only Vardy (and maybe Drinkwater) attacking it. Plus, what happens if we go one down in a game? Would we need to make a substitution every single time? James and Barry together only works if the third midfielder is somebody like King or Nugent. So are we really wanting to drop Drinkwater to make room for Gareth Barry? Bad move all round. Personally I see Barry more of a ball-winner than a playmaker that pulls the strings. James and Barry in a midfield, with Drinkwater more advanced is something I wouldn't mind seeing. I agree that's not totally his game but I've seen enough evidence of him being good enough in the final third for him to adapt to that and be successful in the Prem. Got a decent goal haul this year and that was playing in a two-man midfield. If we were to sign Barry and another attacking midfielder (Thorgan Hazard/Nick Powell would be ideal imo) then that would leave us 5 players (James, Drinkwater, Barry, King and new player) competing for 3 midfield spots which is healthy competition I think. Plus the fact Barrys experience would be invaluable for James and Drinkwater to learn off for a couple of years. He was an integral part off the 2nd or 3rd best team to watch in the Prem last year. If we were to play Knockaert and Mahrez as the wide players with Vardy up top I think that would work against the lesser teams. Vardy dragging the defenders out of position, with those 3 behind moving into the space. We're hardly a crossing team with those two playing anyway. With Albrighton being a better crosser of the ball than those two and the imminent arrival of a 'bigger' striker that gives a different options if our initial gameplan isn't working. I agree with you that it would give us a selection headache but thats definitely not a bad thing to have in a long season, where injuries are bound to play a part. Rather have a selection of quality as well Just out of interest, its obvious we need another midfielder at least, what 'type' would you want us to buy? Or just stick to James, Drinky, King and Hammond.
phillo Posted 2 June 2014 Posted 2 June 2014 Personally I see Barry more of a ball-winner than a playmaker that pulls the strings. James and Barry in a midfield, with Drinkwater more advanced is something I wouldn't mind seeing. I agree that's not totally his game but I've seen enough evidence of him being good enough in the final third for him to adapt to that and be successful in the Prem. Got a decent goal haul this year and that was playing in a two-man midfield. If we were to sign Barry and another attacking midfielder (Thorgan Hazard/Nick Powell would be ideal imo) then that would leave us 5 players (James, Drinkwater, Barry, King and new player) competing for 3 midfield spots which is healthy competition I think. Plus the fact Barrys experience would be invaluable for James and Drinkwater to learn off for a couple of years. He was an integral part off the 2nd or 3rd best team to watch in the Prem last year. If we were to play Knockaert and Mahrez as the wide players with Vardy up top I think that would work against the lesser teams. Vardy dragging the defenders out of position, with those 3 behind moving into the space. We're hardly a crossing team with those two playing anyway. With Albrighton being a better crosser of the ball than those two and the imminent arrival of a 'bigger' striker that gives a different options if our initial gameplan isn't working. I agree with you that it would give us a selection headache but thats definitely not a bad thing to have in a long season, where injuries are bound to play a part. Rather have a selection of quality as well Just out of interest, its obvious we need another midfielder at least, what 'type' would you want us to buy? Or just stick to James, Drinky, King and Hammond. what big striker
halpart Posted 2 June 2014 Posted 2 June 2014 Personally I see Barry more of a ball-winner than a playmaker that pulls the strings. James and Barry in a midfield, with Drinkwater more advanced is something I wouldn't mind seeing. I agree that's not totally his game but I've seen enough evidence of him being good enough in the final third for him to adapt to that and be successful in the Prem. Got a decent goal haul this year and that was playing in a two-man midfield. If we were to sign Barry and another attacking midfielder (Thorgan Hazard/Nick Powell would be ideal imo) then that would leave us 5 players (James, Drinkwater, Barry, King and new player) competing for 3 midfield spots which is healthy competition I think. Plus the fact Barrys experience would be invaluable for James and Drinkwater to learn off for a couple of years. He was an integral part off the 2nd or 3rd best team to watch in the Prem last year. If we were to play Knockaert and Mahrez as the wide players with Vardy up top I think that would work against the lesser teams. Vardy dragging the defenders out of position, with those 3 behind moving into the space. We're hardly a crossing team with those two playing anyway. With Albrighton being a better crosser of the ball than those two and the imminent arrival of a 'bigger' striker that gives a different options if our initial gameplan isn't working. I agree with you that it would give us a selection headache but thats definitely not a bad thing to have in a long season, where injuries are bound to play a part. Rather have a selection of quality as well Just out of interest, its obvious we need another midfielder at least, what 'type' would you want us to buy? Or just stick to James, Drinky, King and Hammond. Completely agree with the Albrighton part here. A mate of mine who's a Villa fan was telling me that whilst he rates Albrighton, he's almost entirely one-dimensional, and needs a Benteke-type figure to aim at, else he'll really struggle
80footgiraffe Posted 2 June 2014 Posted 2 June 2014 http://www.scunthorpetelegraph.co.uk/Everton-s-Gareth-Barry-Leicester-City-West-Ham/story-21172533-detail/story.html Why is this in the scunny local?
LAprice_ Posted 2 June 2014 Posted 2 June 2014 I may be naive but I believe Matty James can go on to be better than Gareth Barry. The guy's 22 and yet plays with the calmness of someone 10 years older. His stats are also incredible; he's lost 1 league game all season. He had a nasty injury a couple of years back, the recovery was long - If he had not picked up the injury, Manchester United would have probably tried a little bit harder to keep him Gareth Barry would be a great acquisition but I'm unsure as to how he would fit into the side. The obvious option would be to play a 3 man midfield with Barry sitting, but as someone has already mentioned, this may clash with James and even Drinkwater. Then there's the possibility of dropping James or Drinkwater. To perfectly honest, they'd be my first two names on the team sheet. Dropping them for anyone seems unimaginable to me! Barry would be on a substantial salary and yet I somehow think that by the end of season he would be regarded as 3rd best midfielder. I know he's seen as a short-term option; a player to help us through the first couple of seasons. I just wonder whether it's really necessary...
Happy Fox Posted 2 June 2014 Posted 2 June 2014 I may be naive but I believe Matty James can go on to be better than Gareth Barry. The guy's 22 and yet plays with the calmness of someone 10 years older. His stats are also incredible; he's lost 1 league game all season. He had a nasty injury a couple of years back, the recovery was long - If he had not picked up the injury, Manchester United would have probably tried a little bit harder to keep him Gareth Barry would be a great acquisition but I'm unsure as to how he would fit into the side. The obvious option would be to play a 3 man midfield with Barry sitting, but as someone has already mentioned, this may clash with James and even Drinkwater. Then there's the possibility of dropping James or Drinkwater. To perfectly honest, they'd be my first two names on the team sheet. Dropping them for anyone seems unimaginable to me! Barry would be on a substantial salary and yet I somehow think that by the end of season he would be regarded as 3rd best midfielder. I know he's seen as a short-term option; a player to help us through the first couple of seasons. I just wonder whether it's really necessary... He is better than James and Drinkwater, you cannot doubt that, it is a no brainer to bring in someone of his quality.
LAprice_ Posted 2 June 2014 Posted 2 June 2014 He is better than James and Drinkwater, you cannot doubt that, it is a no brainer to bring in someone of his quality. Yeah, I know he's better, at the moment. I would be happy if we signed him, I would also be happy if we didn't. Central-midfield isn't the most important area to strengthen, in my opinion.
Happy Fox Posted 2 June 2014 Posted 2 June 2014 Yeah, I know he's better, at the moment. I would be happy if we signed him, I would also be happy if we didn't. Central-midfield isn't the most important area to strengthen, in my opinion. Really! I think it is the most important alongside upfront imo, for me if we bring in Barry he would help us immensely. As much as Drinkwater and James are good they are still inexperienced and have never played in the prem, but Barry has at a consistently high level his invaluable experience as well as quality plus character (model professional) will only help us establish ourselves as a prem club of good standing. For me if there is an option to bring him in get it done Terry and Top.
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