jonthefox Posted 2 June 2014 Posted 2 June 2014 http://www.scunthorpetelegraph.co.uk/Everton-s-Gareth-Barry-Leicester-City-West-Ham/story-21172533-detail/story.html Why is this in the scunny local? Coz we iz massive?.
Guest Papasmurf Posted 2 June 2014 Posted 2 June 2014 I may be naive but I believe Matty James can go on to be better than Gareth Barry. The guy's 22 and yet plays with the calmness of someone 10 years older. His stats are also incredible; he's lost 1 league game all season. He had a nasty injury a couple of years back, the recovery was long - If he had not picked up the injury, Manchester United would have probably tried a little bit harder to keep him Gareth Barry would be a great acquisition but I'm unsure as to how he would fit into the side. The obvious option would be to play a 3 man midfield with Barry sitting, but as someone has already mentioned, this may clash with James and even Drinkwater. Then there's the possibility of dropping James or Drinkwater. To perfectly honest, they'd be my first two names on the team sheet. Dropping them for anyone seems unimaginable to me! Barry would be on a substantial salary and yet I somehow think that by the end of season he would be regarded as 3rd best midfielder. I know he's seen as a short-term option; a player to help us through the first couple of seasons. I just wonder whether it's really necessary... Not sure Barry was even playing centre midfield when he was that age.
Kitchandro Posted 2 June 2014 Posted 2 June 2014 He is better than James and Drinkwater, you cannot doubt that, it is a no brainer to bring in someone of his quality. It's not a no brainer when this bloke is nearly in his mid 30s. Eventually players fall off a cliff. I wouldn't mind Barry here but I agree with people saying they wouldn't start him in a lot of games, certainly not to the detriment of Drinky or James, who have formed a hugely effective and coherent partnership. Experience is overrated, there are players in our side who will get better the more they play in the top flight. Barry has been a good top flight player but we know for a certainty he isn't getting any better. We'd do well not to go for too many of this type of move. At the right price though Barry would have something to offer. Maybe this would seem like a better option had we not already got Upson and extended Taylor-Fletcher's contract.
Sharpe's Fox Posted 2 June 2014 Posted 2 June 2014 Gareth Barry is a massive step up on anything we have now. He would certainly start every game if fit ahead of James, King and Hammond. You don't sign a player of that quality and bench him with the excuse that "he is here for experience." Anyway all of this is just hypothetical and it's unlikely he would come here.
Happy Fox Posted 2 June 2014 Posted 2 June 2014 It's not a no brainer when this bloke is nearly in his mid 30s. Eventually players fall off a cliff. I wouldn't mind Barry here but I agree with people saying they wouldn't start him in a lot of games, certainly not to the detriment of Drinky or James, who have formed a hugely effective and coherent partnership. Experience is overrated, there are players in our side who will get better the more they play in the top flight. Barry has been a good top flight player but we know for a certainty he isn't getting any better. We'd do well not to go for too many of this type of move. At the right price though Barry would have something to offer. Maybe this would seem like a better option had we not already got Upson and extended Taylor-Fletcher's contract. Why not he has played 40 odd games a season for the past 15 years. Yeah he may be regressing cannot get into Manchester City's team fair enough but they are the f**king champions we are a newly promoted team, he has consistently played in the Top 6 of the prem if that isn't good enough I don't know what the f**k is.
Stadt Posted 2 June 2014 Posted 2 June 2014 Why not he has played 40 odd games a season for the past 15 years. Yeah he may be regressing cannot get into Manchester City's team fair enough but they are the f**king champions we are a newly promoted team, he has consistently played in the Top 6 of the prem if that isn't good enough I don't know what the f**k is. Well he will naturally regress because of his age, he's already very slow and eventually he'll have to retire because his leg will go.
LAprice_ Posted 2 June 2014 Posted 2 June 2014 Not sure Barry was even playing centre midfield when he was that age. I can't imagine Gareth Barry ever being 22. It seems like he's been a 33 year old for his entire career
MC Prussian Posted 2 June 2014 Posted 2 June 2014 Since when is a CDM's play based on speed in the first place? Gareth Barry isn't the youngest anymore in footballing terms and one of his legs might have been gone already, but just imagine how much safety we could get with him based between Drinkwater and James in defensive midfield and how reassuring his presence would be on all the "younger" players. Allegedly, he's just had one of his best seasons ever... and that at the ripe age of 33. If that isn't a sign of quality, then what? He's got a vast amount of experience and if he's truly in for the game, he'll also join by tolerating a bigger paycut. I mean, he's played on a top level, both domestically and internationally. His workrate is (still) phenomenal and he'd be a great role model to have on and off the pitch.
65RosesFox Posted 2 June 2014 Posted 2 June 2014 It's not a no brainer when this bloke is nearly in his mid 30s. Eventually players fall off a cliff. I wouldn't mind Barry here but I agree with people saying they wouldn't start him in a lot of games, certainly not to the detriment of Drinky or James, who have formed a hugely effective and coherent partnership. Experience is overrated, there are players in our side who will get better the more they play in the top flight. Barry has been a good top flight player but we know for a certainty he isn't getting any better. We'd do well not to go for too many of this type of move. At the right price though Barry would have something to offer. Maybe this would seem like a better option had we not already got Upson and extended Taylor-Fletcher's contract. I don't understand some of these comments, saying he shouldn't be playing ahead of Drinkwater or James. No one is guaranteed their shirt, so if Barry is out performing either of them then he starts. If for some reason King gets an opportunity due to injury or suspension and plays well, then he deserves to carry on playing. Yes James and Drinkwater were fantastic last season and i think they will do just as well this season and more than likely be our middle partnership. However it doesn't mean we can't have better quality fighting for their places. If Barry does sign, he will bring his experience and knowledge which help the likes of James and Drinkwater and for games against the top sides both home and away someone with his experience in the middle of the park could be vital in picking up points against them. It seems like a lot of fans have their favourites, which is understandable, and they don't want them being replaced regardless.
Kitchandro Posted 2 June 2014 Posted 2 June 2014 I don't understand some of these comments, saying he shouldn't be playing ahead of Drinkwater or James. No one is guaranteed their shirt, so if Barry is out performing either of them then he starts. If for some reason King gets an opportunity due to injury or suspension and plays well, then he deserves to carry on playing. Yes James and Drinkwater were fantastic last season and i think they will do just as well this season and more than likely be our middle partnership. However it doesn't mean we can't have better quality fighting for their places. If Barry does sign, he will bring his experience and knowledge which help the likes of James and Drinkwater and for games against the top sides both home and away someone with his experience in the middle of the park could be vital in picking up points against them. It seems like a lot of fans have their favourites, which is understandable, and they don't want them being replaced regardless. Yes but we know it doesn't always work like that. If he's not an improvement on them (which I don't think he is necessarily) then there becomes the risk of him playing on reputation and because he's the 'safe' option. As for not wanting them to be replaced regardless, well in this case I think that's fair to some extent. Barry is a short term solution at best, you need to give young players some leeway if you want them to fulfill potential. It's too easy for managers to go for the tried and tested old boys who have experience rather than showing belief in talent - it's why England have failed to progress in the last 10 years. I'm not against Barry signing as such but if he's starting at the end of the season ahead of James or Drinkwater I'd suggest it would be a bad thing.
Kitchandro Posted 2 June 2014 Posted 2 June 2014 Since when is a CDM's play based on speed in the first place? Gareth Barry isn't the youngest anymore in footballing terms and one of his legs might have been gone already, but just imagine how much safety we could get with him based between Drinkwater and James in defensive midfield and how reassuring his presence would be on all the "younger" players. Allegedly, he's just had one of his best seasons ever... and that at the ripe age of 33. If that isn't a sign of quality, then what? He's got a vast amount of experience and if he's truly in for the game, he'll also join by tolerating a bigger paycut. I mean, he's played on a top level, both domestically and internationally. His workrate is (still) phenomenal and he'd be a great role model to have on and off the pitch. That point has some merit but you can't think back to the 2010 World Cup and tell me he didn't suffer from being slow as owt on the international stage. There comes a point when lack of mobility does become a weakness at certain levels and in certain matches. Interesting that you use the word safety, see my post above. Safety is important in moderation but it mustn't take priority over positivity and development in the long run. I do think he could be a good addition but we need to be careful we don't fall into the trap of collecting older players and playing them because they're old enough to have had the opportunity to play in the top flight for several years. If he's good for us it will be because he's a good player, experience will have little to do with it.
Bettsj2 Posted 2 June 2014 Posted 2 June 2014 Players in their mid 20's with bags of Prem experience aint comin here. At this moment in time, this is exactly the sort of player we can look at and feasibly get.
sylofox Posted 2 June 2014 Posted 2 June 2014 Yes but we know it doesn't always work like that. If he's not an improvement on them (which I don't think he is necessarily) then there becomes the risk of him playing on reputation and because he's the 'safe' option. As for not wanting them to be replaced regardless, well in this case I think that's fair to some extent. Barry is a short term solution at best, you need to give young players some leeway if you want them to fulfill potential. It's too easy for managers to go for the tried and tested old boys who have experience rather than showing belief in talent - it's why England have failed to progress in the last 10 years. I'm not against Barry signing as such but if he's starting at the end of the season ahead of James or Drinkwater I'd suggest it would be a bad thing. If he is starting infront at the end of the season (unless for injuries) that say's to me it was right to bring him in. Yes DD n James had a great season but they have not played in the prem. And know we don't have time for them to find there legs the whole team has to hit the ground running. If not we go down and the owners don't want that no club does thats why they buy the finished product. Also If DD n James where as good as some make out we would have had prem clubs sniffing and making bids. Whatever anyone says the prem is a different league and as good as we was last season that team would not last in the prem.
dayday Posted 2 June 2014 Posted 2 June 2014 Looking good So it's happening?,I hope so,get a big name in the rest will follow.
CollinsLCFC Posted 2 June 2014 Posted 2 June 2014 I can't say I can see this happening. I think it would be good for the club, to get decent premiership experience in the squad. Especially a defensive midfielder. Realistically, we are going to be on the wrong end of attacks majority of the season, a ball winning midfielder like Baz would help us out perfectly on and off the field. It's just the wages that are concerning, although I can imagine as he gets older, his wages will decrease knowing that he cant get top dollar anymore with his age. Anybody concur?
LCFC31 Posted 2 June 2014 Posted 2 June 2014 I can't say I can see this happening. I think it would be good for the club, to get decent premiership experience in the squad. Especially a defensive midfielder. Realistically, we are going to be on the wrong end of attacks majority of the season, a ball winning midfielder like Baz would help us out perfectly on and off the field. It's just the wages that are concerning, although I can imagine as he gets older, his wages will decrease knowing that he cant get top dollar anymore with his age. Anybody concur? I don't like you calling him Baz.
CollinsLCFC Posted 2 June 2014 Posted 2 June 2014 I don't like you calling him Baz. Sorry. Gaz Barry.
theessexfox Posted 2 June 2014 Posted 2 June 2014 Would love Barry here, was calling for a player like Sidwell and he is a step up from that. However, reports saying that we'll 'blow West Ham and Everton out of the water' make me fear a little for our wage structure and squad harmony and balance, especially if the reports are true that West Ham were lining up 65k a week for him... Hopefully such reports are nonsense.
sylofox Posted 2 June 2014 Posted 2 June 2014 That point has some merit but you can't think back to the 2010 World Cup and tell me he didn't suffer from being slow as owt on the international stage. There comes a point when lack of mobility does become a weakness at certain levels and in certain matches. Interesting that you use the word safety, see my post above. Safety is important in moderation but it mustn't take priority over positivity and development in the long run. I do think he could be a good addition but we need to be careful we don't fall into the trap of collecting older players and playing them because they're old enough to have had the opportunity to play in the top flight for several years. If he's good for us it will be because he's a good player, experience will have little to do with it. That has to be the lol lol comment on here ever. Experience is one of the reasons he is a good player. If he kicked a ball against a wall for 10 years he would never get any better. All players learn from coaches each other and match experience.
Simmo86 Posted 2 June 2014 Posted 2 June 2014 Therealfbloke (Man City itk) tweeted to someone 2hrs ago. He expects Gaz Baz to Leicester along with Joleon.
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