Strokes Posted 18 May 2015 Share Posted 18 May 2015 Turns out the blue moon really is banned this time but recommended I read, then re-share his blog for an update to members on here if anyone can re find the link https://leicesterlongstopper.wordpress.com/2015/04/06/13-years-of-hurt-remastered-for-2015/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderbyFox Posted 19 May 2015 Share Posted 19 May 2015 "Miss Boon, who gave birth to her son Freddie last August, also posted about Tony Blair and Osama Bin Laden, saying 'them are the only prime ministers I no [sic]'. She later referred to Barack Obama as a terrorist, but argues that she 'got him and bin Laden the wrong way round'." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 19 May 2015 Share Posted 19 May 2015 "Miss Boon, who gave birth to her son Freddie last August, also posted about Tony Blair and Osama Bin Laden, saying 'them are the only prime ministers I no [sic]'. She later referred to Barack Obama as a terrorist, but argues that she 'got him and bin Laden the wrong way round'." "I don't vote, I don't even know how to." Maybe we should incorporate text voting, its a shame valuable members of society like miss boon, are excluded from taking part because putting a x in a box is too complex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilo Posted 19 May 2015 Share Posted 19 May 2015 https://leicesterlongstopper.wordpress.com/2015/04/06/13-years-of-hurt-remastered-for-2015/ It was crap the first 30 times it was posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 19 May 2015 Share Posted 19 May 2015 What a bunch of bellends the SNP are. Who goes into a new place of work of the first day and starts trying to bully the older members of the house like Denis Skinner? Are they just going to run around behaving like children and stamping their feet until they get independence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilo Posted 19 May 2015 Share Posted 19 May 2015 What a bunch of bellends the SNP are. Who goes into a new place of work of the first day and starts trying to bully the older members of the house like Denis Skinner? Are they just going to run around behaving like children and stamping their feet until they get independence? Utterly classless jibes against the other parties to boot. Whether people agree or disagree with Skinner, he's more or less universally respected by all sides. This is a flash in the pan anyway, SNP will do a Lib Dems when they can't deliver on their promises in 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADK Posted 19 May 2015 Share Posted 19 May 2015 It's rubbish having MP's that actually care about the people they represent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voll Blau Posted 19 May 2015 Share Posted 19 May 2015 What a bunch of bellends the SNP are. Who goes into a new place of work of the first day and starts trying to bully the older members of the house like Denis Skinner? Are they just going to run around behaving like children and stamping their feet until they get independence? Yeah, not smart. The Labour "awkward squad" are the folks in that room most likely to agree with them on many things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 19 May 2015 Share Posted 19 May 2015 Utterly classless jibes against the other parties to boot. Whether people agree or disagree with Skinner, he's more or less universally respected by all sides. This is a flash in the pan anyway, SNP will do a Lib Dems when they can't deliver on their promises in 2020. They didn't seem to realise that this really wasn't the time or the place for what they were doing or what Angus Robertson was saying. Can't agree with you on the last line mind, they won't have to deliver anything, they won't take any responsibility that means they couldn't blame something on Westminster. Until they leave us this lot are here to stay unfortunately, the 45% aren't going to be voting for anyone else and the only way they could be kept out would to be for all the others to form a Unionist party in Scotland to stop splitting the vote. It's rubbish having MP's that actually care about the people they represent. You need to kick an 83 year old man out of his seat to show you care about the people you represent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerrrFox Posted 19 May 2015 Share Posted 19 May 2015 Mhairi Black is a fish out of water in the House of Commons. She hasn't got a clue and the SNP are a classless bunch of *****. I mean come on the butch lezza is taking great pride in "photo bombing" behind Harriet Harman. Pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 19 May 2015 Share Posted 19 May 2015 Mhairi Black is a fish out of water in the House of Commons. She hasn't got a clue and the SNP are a classless bunch of *****. I mean come on the butch lezza is taking great pride in "photo bombing" behind Harriet Harman. Pathetic. Refusing to use a knife and fork as well in the canteen as she was asked to by another person eating rather than scoff with her hands. Power to the people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilo Posted 19 May 2015 Share Posted 19 May 2015 They didn't seem to realise that this really wasn't the time or the place for what they were doing or what Angus Robertson was saying. Can't agree with you on the last line mind, they won't have to deliver anything, they won't take any responsibility that means they couldn't blame something on Westminster. Until they leave us this lot are here to stay unfortunately, the 45% aren't going to be voting for anyone else and the only way they could be kept out would to be for all the others to form a Unionist party in Scotland to stop splitting the vote. You need to kick an 83 year old man out of his seat to show you care about the people you represent? The question is what happens when the SNP are outclassed by the Tories on the question of funding. As VB has said, they've managed to alienate their only likely allies on Day 1 by attacking the awkward squad of Labour MPs to make a childish point. If that wasn't enough, Robertson's pathetic jibes against the Lib Dems, Scottish Labour and Scottish Conservatives will do nothing to earn them any friends in Westminster. There might be 56 of them, but they'll be isolated and friendless for the whole five years. The SNP have left themselves isolated - they can't ally with Labour and allying with the Tories would be political suicide as it was in 1979. Undoubtedly their best brain, Sturgeon, is in Holyrood while Mhairi 'out of her depth' Black resides in Westminster planning her next grammatically incoherent Tweet about Celtic. Lord Jones, who worked in the Brown government, has already spoken of giving the SNP fiscal autonomy purely to call their bluff; as the SNP know they couldn't accept the end of the Barnett formula upon which they're so dependent and would have to go it alone. The tide of nationalism would therefore be turned against them - accept it and quite probably bankrupt Scotland or reject it and have their 'Scotland can go it alone' rhetoric completely discredited, either way the SNP lose if they're offered fiscal autonomy. If these were intelligent and well-prepared politicians, the SNP could survive this but they were so ill-prepared that Sturgeon herself laughed off the notion of them gaining 50 seats even when the exit poll came in. They've now been granted vastly more MPs than they planned for, many of whom will be embarrassingly out of their depth and just waiting to be outclassed by the big beasts in the Sassenach parties. They'll be a victim of their own success - can't wait for the shitstorm. Changing the subject slightly, Skinner's one of the good guys. 45 years serving the same constituency, 83 years old and almost universally respected if not necessarily agreed with and in Parliament every single day. I really wouldn't piss him off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilo Posted 19 May 2015 Share Posted 19 May 2015 Refusing to use a knife and fork as well in the canteen as she was asked to by another person eating rather than scoff with her hands. Power to the people. Jesus Christ. Her last job was in a chippy as well. I thought we'd have been badly off if our 22 year old UKIP PPC had won, but at least he'd been a councillor for two years. He looks like a political heavyweight next to this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rincewind Posted 19 May 2015 Share Posted 19 May 2015 Rule one. Don't upset Dennis Skinner. Rule two read rule one. He may be the only friend they have. He dislikes a lot of the Labour MP's as much as the Tories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSi13 Posted 19 May 2015 Share Posted 19 May 2015 Ahh so it appears that the SNP have outstayed their welcome already eh? I'd actually love it if the entire house regularly ganged up on them and actually put them under some real pressure at long last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 20 May 2015 Share Posted 20 May 2015 What a bunch of bellends the SNP are. Who goes into a new place of work of the first day and starts trying to bully the older members of the house like Denis Skinner? Are they just going to run around behaving like children and stamping their feet until they get independence? They were democratically voted in to represent their consituents not you. Let the Scots complain if they want to. Refusing to use a knife and fork as well in the canteen as she was asked to by another person eating rather than scoff with her hands. Power to the people. Why should someone have the right to insist she eats with a knife and fork? It's not Victorian times. Next you'll expect her to point her little finger when she drinks tea or use a handkerchief instead of snorting her snot onto the floor. Your upperclass,Tory twit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stadt Posted 20 May 2015 Share Posted 20 May 2015 Why should someone have the right to insist she eats with a knife and fork? It's not Victorian times. Next you'll expect her to point her little finger when she drinks tea or use a handkerchief instead of snorting her snot onto the floor. Your upperclass,Tory twit! lol I hope that's a shit joke and not an actual opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 20 May 2015 Share Posted 20 May 2015 lol I hope that's a shit joke and not an actual opinion I've learned to keep 'em guessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilo Posted 20 May 2015 Share Posted 20 May 2015 You know it's a British election when use of cutlery becomes an issue. :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 20 May 2015 Share Posted 20 May 2015 The question is what happens when the SNP are outclassed by the Tories on the question of funding. As VB has said, they've managed to alienate their only likely allies on Day 1 by attacking the awkward squad of Labour MPs to make a childish point. If that wasn't enough, Robertson's pathetic jibes against the Lib Dems, Scottish Labour and Scottish Conservatives will do nothing to earn them any friends in Westminster. There might be 56 of them, but they'll be isolated and friendless for the whole five years. The SNP have left themselves isolated - they can't ally with Labour and allying with the Tories would be political suicide as it was in 1979. Undoubtedly their best brain, Sturgeon, is in Holyrood while Mhairi 'out of her depth' Black resides in Westminster planning her next grammatically incoherent Tweet about Celtic. Lord Jones, who worked in the Brown government, has already spoken of giving the SNP fiscal autonomy purely to call their bluff; as the SNP know they couldn't accept the end of the Barnett formula upon which they're so dependent and would have to go it alone. The tide of nationalism would therefore be turned against them - accept it and quite probably bankrupt Scotland or reject it and have their 'Scotland can go it alone' rhetoric completely discredited, either way the SNP lose if they're offered fiscal autonomy. If these were intelligent and well-prepared politicians, the SNP could survive this but they were so ill-prepared that Sturgeon herself laughed off the notion of them gaining 50 seats even when the exit poll came in. They've now been granted vastly more MPs than they planned for, many of whom will be embarrassingly out of their depth and just waiting to be outclassed by the big beasts in the Sassenach parties. They'll be a victim of their own success - can't wait for the shitstorm. Changing the subject slightly, Skinner's one of the good guys. 45 years serving the same constituency, 83 years old and almost universally respected if not necessarily agreed with and in Parliament every single day. I really wouldn't piss him off. That's the problem though, the SNP aren't going to accept everything that makes them look bad, they even had no comeback to the accusations to the fact they underspent on health just so they could blame things on 'austerity' and 'Westminster' last year but their voters just don't want to hear it. They will be out of their depth but that won't stop people voting for them as I'd imagine 95% of the people who vote SNP won't ever bother to watch them being shown up as out of their depth. I mean who are they going to vote for now instead of the SNP? The sort who vote for them never voted Tory anyway, and the ones who didn't now see Labour as the same as the Tories, these idiots are here to stay unfortunately unless we cut them free. They've become a cult and when the Scots rally around something after they have felt aggrieved they don't let go. Why should someone have the right to insist she eats with a knife and fork? It's not Victorian times. Next you'll expect her to point her little finger when she drinks tea or use a handkerchief instead of snorting her snot onto the floor. Your upperclass,Tory twit!B If she is in her own home she can do what she wants, in a public place you show some respect and at least try not behave like something off Benefits Street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilo Posted 20 May 2015 Share Posted 20 May 2015 The main thing that needs to happen north of the border is for Labour to make themselves electable again. They dominated politics in Scotland for decades, and just getting a foothold there is crucial to giving the party a chance to return to power in 2020/2025. Scottish Labour would probably be best served run completely separately from the main party - going more left in Scotland and highlighting SNP failures. The chances are that the SNP will piss Scottish voters off, either through losing arguments and being out negotiated by the far more canny Tories or by ending up working with the Tories on some issues. What Labour need to do is return them to the point where only the Braveheart mentality are staunch SNP voters. What's obvious is that the SNP managed to convert many who were staunch Labour voters for decades. Labour need to show they're a viable party of government who are willing to boost Scotland in a way that the isolated and largely incompetent SNP MPs will not be able to. If Labour can be wiped out north of the border in one night after generations of dominance, and the Lib Dems can lose 50 of their MPs in one evening, it seems presumptuous to rule out Labour doing the same to the SNP and claiming seats again in Scotland. I don't think the SNP will be down to the point where you can fit all of their Westminster MPs in a Smart car in 2020, but losing 20-30 MPs to Labour is very possible if Labour learns the lessons of 2015 and regroups. This'll be hard work, but impossible? Far from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADK Posted 20 May 2015 Share Posted 20 May 2015 Everybody is falling apart except for the Tories. Be interesting what Labour does but I'm not sure anyone is capable of leading a coherent opposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilo Posted 20 May 2015 Share Posted 20 May 2015 Everybody is falling apart except for the Tories. Be interesting what Labour does but I'm not sure anyone is capable of leading a coherent opposition. Burnham has to be a unifying leader, almost from the get go if there's to be a coherent opposition. At least the changes to Labour's voting system reduces the influence of the unions on the process, and ought to avoid the Union Candidate claims that so dogged Miliband. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 21 May 2015 Share Posted 21 May 2015 With a majority government it really doesn't matter if the opposition isn't coherent for about 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alf Bentley Posted 21 May 2015 Share Posted 21 May 2015 With a majority government it really doesn't matter if the opposition isn't coherent for about 3 years. I think that it does matter, even if they're nowhere near power. Part of the reason they lost in 2015 is that they lost important public arguments over the previous 5 years. Notably, the public ended up accepting the idea that the deficit was Labour's fault, that Labour couldn't be trusted with the economy and that the Tories were a "safe pair of hands" getting the economy back on track. The lack of a coherent opposition was a problem as early as 2010, due to the previous leadership contest (& Harman being useless as temporary leader in 2010). Plus there's no guarantee the Tory majority will persist until 2020. Major won a bigger majority in 1992 and was in a mess well before 1997, having lost various byelections, rebel MPs voting against him etc. Europe is one of several issues that could cause internal divisions in Tory ranks over the coming years. If that happens - or even if it doesn't and the majority is sustained until 2020 - Labour needs to convince the public it's a credible alternative government ready to take over if they lose faith with the Tories some time between now and 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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