leicsmac Posted 13 December 2014 Posted 13 December 2014 If the Tories won an election under electronic voting you can bet that some people would claim it was fixed. They'd blame the company that designed,built or installed the machines of being Tory billionaire doners who want to spite poor people. And I'm sure if Labour won with that system in place the Tories and their chums in the right wing press would be looking for evidence of Labour Party donations from the company that built it too. Let's not pretend there's a moral high ground here.
marbelladave Posted 13 December 2014 Posted 13 December 2014 Maybe if all the idiots voted then the government would spend more time ensuring there were less idiots in the country and more educated people capable of making informed decisions. Rather than celebrity obsessed vapid morons who are more concerned with their appearance than the state of the nation. That is completely arse about face. The less informed the electorate are, the less likely they are to vote in anyway that might actually change anything, this suits the ruling/political class to a 'T'. It absolves those in power of responsibility as they are never required to answer for the awful decisions that have brought this country to it's current state of penury. You can't force someone to be interested in something. Anyway the problem of people not voting runs deeper than them not being bothered to go to the polls No it doesn't. Most people have no idea of the issues, like Russell Brand they proudly assert that they 'don't understand graphs' or any other issue for that matter. Do you really want people whose only criteria is to vote for party that will give them the biggest handouts to have a big say in your and your families future. Jon the Hat, on 13 Dec 2014 - 12:29 AM, said: Then they are not paying attention Ken. Of course they are not, so why let them vote?
marbelladave Posted 13 December 2014 Posted 13 December 2014 That's right. Apathy changes nothing. That being said, as I have mentioned many times before I would really like to see some voting reform to allow representation to be a little bit better. If you want a genuinely representative parliament, scrap voting for 'regular' MPs and pick them by ballot. Given the numbers, 500-600 MPs out of an adult population of 40+ million, statistically speaking a ballot would give a truly representative parliament.
ADK Posted 13 December 2014 Posted 13 December 2014 http://www.ukpolitical.info/Turnout45.htm I didn't realise there was such a fall in voter turn out between 1997 and 2001. It still strikes me as odd, I don't actually know anyone who claims not to vote and yet 1 in 3 people apparently don't vote. I wonder if it's apathy or a result of the first past the post system and people feeling their vote "won't count".
lavrentis Posted 14 December 2014 Posted 14 December 2014 http://www.ukpolitical.info/Turnout45.htm I didn't realise there was such a fall in voter turn out between 1997 and 2001. It still strikes me as odd, I don't actually know anyone who claims not to vote and yet 1 in 3 people apparently don't vote. I wonder if it's apathy or a result of the first past the post system and people feeling their vote "won't count". Blair just put people off voting
pSinatra Posted 14 December 2014 Posted 14 December 2014 I'm 43 & have only ever voted once in my life. Not because I'm lazy, but because I find it impossible to actively support one particular party. It's much of a muchness as far as I'm concerned. I would never vote Tory & even though I consider myself socialist, I can't see myself voting for Labour anytime soon. What other options do I have? Any vote I make would be vote 'against' the other parties rather than a vote 'for' anyone I actually support. I don't see that as a reason to vote. Fair play to the guys on here (MattP, Alf, MB, Webbo, etc) whose discussions I find interesting. You seem to be able to pick the bones out of the broader political discussion & present it in a way I am able to appreciate......rather than the diatribe, bullshit & towing of the party line I see being presented by the politicians. I would like to vote, but I want to vote for someone........not against the others.
Strokes Posted 14 December 2014 Posted 14 December 2014 I'm 43 & have only ever voted once in my life. Not because I'm lazy, but because I find it impossible to actively support one particular party. It's much of a muchness as far as I'm concerned. I would never vote Tory & even though I consider myself socialist, I can't see myself voting for Labour anytime soon. What other options do I have? Any vote I make would be vote 'against' the other parties rather than a vote 'for' anyone I actually support. I don't see that as a reason to vote. Fair play to the guys on here (MattP, Alf, MB, Webbo, etc) whose discussions I find interesting. You seem to be able to pick the bones out of the broader political discussion & present it in a way I am able to appreciate......rather than the diatribe, bullshit & towing of the party line I see being presented by the politicians. I would like to vote, but I want to vote for someone........not against the others. I'm afraid a socialist doesnt have a lot of choice at the moment, greens You should still spoil your ballot paper though, it let's them know you will vote if they represent you.
pSinatra Posted 14 December 2014 Posted 14 December 2014 I'm afraid a socialist doesnt have a lot of choice at the moment, greens You should still spoil your ballot paper though, it let's them know you will vote if they represent you. I've never actually known how to 'spoil' your ballot paper. Draw a massive cock on it? If there was a box 'They're all shit', I would probably tick that one.
Guest Kopfkino Posted 14 December 2014 Posted 14 December 2014 I've never actually known how to 'spoil' your ballot paper. Draw a massive cock on it? If there was a box 'They're all shit', I would probably tick that one. Create that box then
leicsmac Posted 14 December 2014 Posted 14 December 2014 I've never actually known how to 'spoil' your ballot paper. Draw a massive cock on it? If there was a box 'They're all shit', I would probably tick that one. Do both of these.
davieG Posted 14 December 2014 Posted 14 December 2014 I've never actually known how to 'spoil' your ballot paper. Draw a massive cock on it? If there was a box 'They're all shit', I would probably tick that one. Isn't voting all about picking the biggest cock on the list? Well they seem to all end up in Parliament. :xmastongue:
Guest MattP Posted 14 December 2014 Posted 14 December 2014 Thsts actually what most people do. I know a few people who have worked on the counts and it's usually just "*****" scrawled across it or "Gordon Brown is a willy puller" all over the paper. Ironically the who spoil seem to take their own pen rather than use the provided pencil.
Strokes Posted 14 December 2014 Posted 14 December 2014 I've never actually known how to 'spoil' your ballot paper. Draw a massive cock on it? If there was a box 'They're all shit', I would probably tick that one. , I'm serious though. They won't represent you if you don't show up.
leicsmac Posted 14 December 2014 Posted 14 December 2014 Thsts actually what most people do. I know a few people who have worked on the counts and it's usually just "*****" scrawled across it or "Gordon Brown is a willy puller" all over the paper. Ironically the who spoil seem to take their own pen rather than use the provided pencil. That figures...spoiling your paper is often more of a statement of intent than actually voting is so you can imagine the people doing it would bring along their own kit to do so.
Guest MattP Posted 19 December 2014 Posted 19 December 2014 Even Diane Abbott saying on This Week she thinks we are heading for a hung parliament :xmaslaugh: Just last month she was still guaranteeing a Labour majority.
johnny the fox Posted 19 December 2014 Posted 19 December 2014 Even Diane Abbott saying on This Week she thinks we are heading for a hung parliament :xmaslaugh: Just last month she was still guaranteeing a Labour majority. I thought she said she wanted a well hung parliament ?
Rincewind Posted 19 December 2014 Posted 19 December 2014 While the newspapers were speculating about life on Mars this happened on Planet Earth about life in Britain. Last weekend, we saw conclusive proof that the Tories are planning to buy the election in five months' time.As reported in the Sunday papers, they've just quietly changed the law to raise the ceiling on how much money they can spend on trying to cling onto power.Their changes mean they are free to funnel huge amounts of cash from their wealthy donors — up to £32.7 million — into the fight to decide who wins the next election.
Guest MattP Posted 19 December 2014 Posted 19 December 2014 At least the Tories aren't trying to buy the election with state money like Gordon Brown did. Whatever happened to the Tories being taken to court for breaking the human rights act anyway regarding the disabled? You posted it from all sorts of dodgy blogs last year and said the wheels were in motion?
Buce Posted 20 December 2014 Posted 20 December 2014 Labour lead stretches to 7 point gap over the Tories; UKIP down 3 points. If replicated at the General Election, Labour would have an 80 seat majority. Can't link it, but it's on the grauniad website if anyone wishes to confirm it.
SMX11 Posted 20 December 2014 Posted 20 December 2014 Labour are the only party that can get a majority, however I don't think they will.
Guest Kopfkino Posted 20 December 2014 Posted 20 December 2014 Labour lead stretches to 7 point gap over the Tories; UKIP down 3 points. If replicated at the General Election, Labour would have an 80 seat majority. Can't link it, but it's on the grauniad website if anyone wishes to confirm it. That's scary
Rincewind Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 800 fewer people in Blackburn claiming Jobseeker’s Allowance link 1 ,,,,,http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/…/11688250.800_fewer_…/ 500,000 Sanctioned Jobseekers ‘Disappeared’ From Unemployment Figures link 2 ...http://www.welfareweekly.com/500000-sanctioned-jobseekers-…/ As someone said there are lies dammed lies and statistics.
Buce Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 As someone said there are lies dammed lies and statistics. http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/lies-damned-lies-and-statistics.html Merry Xmas, Ken.
Guest Kopfkino Posted 8 January 2015 Posted 8 January 2015 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30726499 Cameron refuses to take part in the debates if the Green Party aren't included.
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