De Laet - 4 year deal

[chris_lcfc_85]

Some quality sidestepping of the point there

 

Whatever i say, you'll disagree.

 

I think you know what i meant. Answer me this then, why do you believe he isnt worth giving a go to? We've signed him, he's proven and our current RB (who i rate) is not in prime form?

[chris_lcfc_85]

Thank goodness, a sensible post amongst a load of tripe

 

I agree too but if you look at back at my posts on this topic, then I defend De Laet also. Im shocked at the abuse he gets

[MrSpaM]

Whatever i say, you'll disagree.

I think you know what i meant. Answer me this then, why do you believe he isnt worth giving a go to? We've signed him, he's proven and our current RB (who i rate) is not in prime form?

Because I value the management's opinion over somebodies on an Internet forum?

[chris_lcfc_85]

Because I value the management's opinion over somebodies on an Internet forum?

 

And that to be fair is a decent shout and to a point, im happy Pearson has kept faith in De Laet rather than just dropping him after 1 poor game.

However, if he doesnt pick Simpson soon then he's essentially admitting he's made a poor signing as he doesnt rate him.... i guess we'll see

[inckley fox]

Let's not kid ourselves, De Laet has looked like a distinctly weak link this season. It's sensible to point out that all of our full backs have looked questionable (save for Schlupp in the last game, Konchesky in the first few games) at times, but he has looked consistently questionable. His distribution and positioning have been exceptionally poor and Leicester should really be coming to the same conclusion that United and Norwich came to as regards his top flight credentials.

 

That said, the system clearly has not helped. Plenty of full backs thrive within 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1, even 4-1-2-1-2, but he hasn't, and that's not going to be purely down to him, it's also going to be down to the way in which we employ those systems. But don't forget that there were a lot of question marks hanging over De Laet in the second tier and it was far from beyond argument that he was the best or second right back in the division last season.

 

I believe, even at 25, that he can continue to adapt and improve and become a valuable bit-part player. And I'm not convinced either that Simpson is any magical solution, though he has a lot more experience at this level. But as a newly promoted club we're going to have plenty of players who turn out to be more Championship than Premier League standard, and I'm not surprised to see eyebrows raised at one of our players who currently looks out of his depth being given a four year deal. I imagine there is a very hefty relegation wage drop factored into that deal.

[Corky]

Simpson was brought in because our reserve right back was James Pearson. Doesn't necessarily mean he's going to play every week, we needed stronger cover in that area.

[chris_lcfc_85]

Let's not kid ourselves, De Laet has looked like a distinctly weak link this season. It's sensible to point out that all of our full backs have looked questionable (save for Schlupp in the last game, Konchesky in the first few games) at times, but he has looked consistently questionable. His distribution and positioning have been exceptionally poor and Leicester should really be coming to the same conclusion that United and Norwich came to as regards his top flight credentials.

 

That said, the system clearly has not helped. Plenty of full backs thrive within 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1, even 4-1-2-1-2, but he hasn't, and that's not going to be purely down to him, it's also going to be down to the way in which we employ those systems. But don't forget that there were a lot of question marks hanging over De Laet in the second tier and it was far from beyond argument that he was the best or second right back in the division last season.

 

I believe, even at 25, that he can continue to adapt and improve and become a valuable bit-part player. And I'm not convinced either that Simpson is any magical solution, though he has a lot more experience at this level. But as a newly promoted club we're going to have plenty of players who turn out to be more Championship than Premier League standard, and I'm not surprised to see eyebrows raised at one of our players who currently looks out of his depth being given a four year deal. I imagine there is a very hefty relegation wage drop factored into that deal.

 

Suitable points but again, its 11 games in..... he deserves time to adapt

[inckley fox]

And that to be fair is a decent shout and to a point, im happy Pearson has kept faith in De Laet rather than just dropping him after 1 poor game.

However, if he doesnt pick Simpson soon then he's essentially admitting he's made a poor signing as he doesnt rate him.... i guess we'll see

 

Yes, it was also his opinion that he needed to spend money on a new right back.

 

I don't buy all of this 'what do we know, we're not involved in football' nonsense, which is largely fed by the sort of rhetoric managers come out with, understandably, to protect themselves. Plenty of managers have come from non-footballing backgrounds (Bassett, Graham Taylor, Mourinho, Villas Boas) and there are plenty of occasions - and have been in this club's history - when fans have made very valid observations that managers have entirely missed. You could apply that same logic to the early part of the last decade when fans were raising eyebrows at Taylor replacing Lennon and Collymore with Lewis and Akinbiyi and Benjamin, or Levein restructuring his squad with SPL players, or Sven giving long-term deals to the likes of Gallagher. 

 

It's not always the footballing insider who turns out to know what he's doing!

 

Then again, De Laet could sort out his distribution, his positioning and go on to have a great season at right back. Or Simpson, or Moore. You have to hope that the manager knows what he's doing!

[inckley fox]

Suitable points but again, its 11 games in..... he deserves time to adapt

 

Yes, I agree with you. He could go on to be a very useful player at this level (though I remember saying the same about Curtis!). I suppose the trick is to give him as many chances as possible, but to know where to draw the line if his form is affecting our results.

[Benji]

I don't know why anyone would ever want to be a right / left back.  It's such a no-win position which is often under the most pressure from the better attacking players.

[dannythefox]

Shocked with a 4 year deal I'm starting to wonder does Pearson even have a little say on contracts? Because we can do better, and to be fair I think Simpson is better he was good at Newcastle. This is what happens when you get a directer of football!

[babylad92]

i got blocked from lcfc page on facebook yesterday after i had a go at some bloke who was giving rdl beef 

 

hes been overcriticized this season imo yes he has had bad games but what he does well gets over looked 

[ktfox59]

What the f--k is Pearson up to? RDL is a plastic player! I am coming to believe that Pearson has totally lost the plot, and is a plastic manager. What a bloody w----r! Maybe it is time for him to go, after all.

Is it Pearson giving the contracts tho? Or is the DOF in charge of all these negotiations. Just like in reverse is nige at fault for transfer policy and funds. Just a thought.7

[Dickov22]

Pearson sees Simpson and De Laet in training EVERY day. Suggests to me De Laet is probably the better player.

[ktfox59]

Shocked with a 4 year deal I'm starting to wonder does Pearson even have a little say on contracts? Because we can do better, and to be fair I think Simpson is better he was good at Newcastle. This is what happens when you get a directer of football!

sorry mate. Didnt get to your post. Virtually repeated it.

[roger the dodger]

why ?

[Fox92]

I don't know why anyone would ever want to be a right / left back.  It's such a no-win position which is often under the most pressure from the better attacking players.

 

Depends if you're actually a good full back I guess.

[Bettsj2]

why ?

The Thais are playing a really odd Brewsters Millions type game with NP and TR.

Its the only explanation.

[yorkie1999]

Its all about keeping value in the player, not whether he's any good or not. He's a young premiership defender and other clubs may see some  potential and if someone came in for him in January or at the end of the season, without a long term contract he'd be worthless to us. That four year deal could put 3 or 4 million on his worth and if no-one comes in for him we've still got a potentially good player on the books.  

[marbelladave]

Greetings from a cool and cloudy southern Spain.

 

One way or another I have seem most of our games this season, though sadly none in person.

 

From what I have seen I think De Laet has been one of our better players. He is often our only player that gets quickly out of defence and offers a rhreat going forward, he is however handicapped in defence primarily for 2 reasons.

 

 

He has rarely had much cover in front of him, irrespective of the formation we play.

 

Morgan, when he plays on the right, is very reluctant to come out and clean up in wide positions.

 

 

I accept that he is an attacking player and will get caught out of position some times, that is not his fault. We should make provisions, as a team, to cover this but we don't. If the opposition get behind him there is no cover from midfield and Morgan will not come wide, the attacker is given way to much space. Wasilewski has made a huge difference in the last couple of games, his willingness to cover behind De Laet is a big plus.

 

It is just one of several issues that we are suffering from right now, all of them a consequence of not setting up with our best players in their best positions and playing to a plan that they all understand and 'buy into'.

[matty98]

In the premier league this season De Laet has won the 8th most tackles. 

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

Are you serious?

If so maybe ''what a bloody w***** " is accurate,just aimed in the wrong direction.

 

Are you serious?

If so maybe ''what a bloody w***** " is accurate,just aimed in the wrong direction.

No sonny, it was certainly aimed in the right direction, but if it offends you, then tough titties.

 

You've got to get used to hearing it like it is on this site, and if you don't like maybe you should go away. Shit flies in all directions on  "Foxes Talk", so keep your head down.   

 

 

 

 

 

 

[AdamN]

I think people are deluding themselves if they think RDL is particularly good at Premiership level. It was clear in the Everton game that he needs a midfielder in front of him to support him defensively. Knockaert sadly let him down on the day.

You have to be an EXCEPTIONALLY good defender to effectively deal with two wingers by yourself, so to discredit him on the fact that he needs help from his teammates is more than a tad unfair. Defending is a team game, which, unfortunately for the laziest of wingers, does also rely on the contributions of the wide midfielder as well. If a full back is left 2v1, then he's got 2 choices:

1. Attempt to make a tackle, which can easily be countered by a quick pass to the other winger, who'll now have a clear run into the space that the full back has just left by stepping up. You better hope he makes that tackle (easier said than done against players with quick feet - see Hazard, Sanchez, Di Maria...) or the midfielder in front of him has provided some cover in behind.

2. Stand off entirely and allow them to pass it between themselves, holding up the play a bit and relying on them making a mistake or one of your team mates to nip in and provide some extra pressure or nicking the ball. This method isn't a fan favourite - often accompanied by cries from the stands of "GET A FOOT IN", but it won't leave you as hopelessly exposed if one of them runs in behind. It does however mean that if they don't make a mistake, or nobody gives you support, then they're likely to carve out a chance.

Such a situation is likely to come about time and time again if De Laet (or Schlupp/Konchesky for that matter) doesn't have that cover in front of him, which obviously is a big problem with the current diamond system. He can't do it all by himself.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

Is it Pearson giving the contracts tho? Or is the DOF in charge of all these negotiations. Just like in reverse is nige at fault for transfer policy and funds. Just a thought.7

Well, it's a thought. I would certainly expect the manager to sort the length of player's contracts out.

 

Having backed Pearson, I just can't see that he has learn't anything constructive since the season began. He appears confused, and unable to determine, such basics as formation, and what players to use. He apparently stated that he put out his "best team", against Southampton.

 

RDL has struggled all season, and will never be a Premiership standard player, only a decent Championship player, and to give him a four year contract, is disturbing. Could it be that Pearson is planning for next season, and playing in the Championship again?

[Guest Col city fan]

Well, it's a thought. I would certainly expect the manager to sort the length of player's contracts out.

Having backed Pearson, I just can't see that he has learn't anything constructive since the season began. He appears confused, and unable to determine, such basics as formation, and what players to use. He apparently stated that he put out his "best team", against Southampton.

RDL has struggled all season, and will never be a Premiership standard player, only a decent Championship player, and to give him a four year contract, is disturbing. Could it be that Pearson is planning for next season, and playing in the Championship again?

Bizarre as it sounds, I've actually had this thought too. Only tentatively as its so soon into the season.

Would relegation actually be so bad financially? I am assuming we could use the parachute payments to strengthen the squad further to then have a stronger squad to get promotion again?

I don't know, of course..and this could be a bollox theory. And I doubt that the owners would sanction such a 'plan'?

But I am surprised that we've spent bugger all money in the summer to REALLY strengthen our squad. It's almost as though the Thais are being so financially prudent that they wouldn't mind too much if such a scenario developed. And would it be so bad?

Those with better knowledge than I will probably crucify this theory and fair play if they do. But it is a thought that has crossed my mind. Genuinely, we don't look any better per se than we were last season. Dyer has gone, Knockaert (who had an excellent season last term) isn't even featuring and our 'Marquee signing' in Cambiasso, is no improvement on last season's excellent duo of James and Drinkwater, in my opinion.

As I said, this theory might be utter gubbins..but it might hold some water also?