Mark_w Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 Warburton to leave the Brentford at the end of the season If Brentford got promoted surely his achievements as manager would outshine smug bollocks Would love to have him even if Pearson kept us up. Just the sort of fella we need. Agree, a step up. Before I launch into a rant about how stupid that is, are you all joking?
Guest MattP Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 Allardyce? Some people are in cloud cuckoo land. He'll be having offers left right and centre from top flight clubs. Assuming we do go down as well Big Fat Sam made it look a lot harder getting out of the championship than Nigel Pearson did despite again having a far bigger budget.
SpacedX Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 Why should Nigel Pearson explain every single decision he makes that people on Foxes Talk have an issue with, he'd never stop talking. Managers do not have to tell you every intricate little detail that's gone into the decision making process just to try and justify their own decisions. And 'fans' do not, as a whole, want to hear it. I certainly don't, some may do, but I don't see why your needs are any more important than mine, so the manager should be free surely to say as little or much as he pleases, there are always going to be fans in both camps and he can't please all of us. And he told one moron to F off and die, does that really matter? So long as it is football related - has a bearing on the club -(and not pertaining to his daughter), why should he be reticent? I think the answer to that is that his decision making process is seriously flawed...irrational and based upon favouritism and misplaced loyalty, and due to that, he finds it very difficult to justify. Managers should be accountable for their actions. It comes with the job.
Manwell Pablo Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 Before I launch into a rant about how stupid that is, are you all joking? It's knee jerk. I'd hesitate to cal it stupid, Getting Brentford to where they are is certainly more of an achievement than getting Leicester City into the Premier League.
MC Prussian Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 Before I launch into a rant about how stupid that is, are you all joking? I can only assume most people had never ever heard of Warburton before he took over at Brentford. Now that they're in seventh spot in the Championship and punching above their weight, he's suddenly become some kind of a messiah for all the passionate Pearson critics. Funny how the people calling for a replacement for Pearson with PL experience now turn to such a no-name (pardon me the exaggeration).
Callabinho Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 Forget his conduct this season both on and off the pitch, it's not the swearing at fans or strangling players that are the reasons he needs to go, it's Sunday, Sunday was a prime example of how out of his depth he actually is, he IS tactically inept at this level, this man decided that playing five defenders against a side that has scored only 11 goals all season was the right thing to do....that ladies and gentlemen is why he needs to go.
Mark_w Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 It's knee jerk. I'd hesitate to cal it stupid, Getting Brentford to where they are is certainly more of an achievement than getting Leicester City into the Premier League. I disagree, getting Brentford to 7th in the Championship is a great achievement certainly, but let's not make the mistake of thinking that just because they're not a big name he didn't inherit a pretty decent Championship standard side (they've got and had some really good players there), and with the momentum of promotion behind them, having them challenging in and around the play-offs, while a very good achievement, is not an absolute miracle. Early signs do suggest he's a good manager, but he's what two years into his first managerial job? He's not achieved more than Nigel Pearson has, and it's very early to tell just how good he is. When we've got a manager with a proven incredibly strong record in the Championship over numerous seasons already, it seems pretty baffling that people want to replace him with someone who has had 14 pretty good months but is still very much unproven.
Babylon Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 Before I launch into a rant about how stupid that is, are you all joking? The last two were talking about Fat Sam were they not?
Guest Col city fan Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 I disagree, getting Brentford to 7th in the Championship is a great achievement certainly, but let's not make the mistake of thinking that just because they're not a big name he didn't inherit a pretty decent Championship standard side (they've got and had some really good players there), and with the momentum of promotion behind them, having them challenging in and around the play-offs, while a very good achievement, is not an absolute miracle. Early signs do suggest he's a good manager, but he's what two years into his first managerial job? He's not achieved more than Nigel Pearson has, and it's very early to tell just how good he is. When we've got a manager with a proven incredibly strong record in the Championship over numerous seasons already, it seems pretty baffling that people want to replace him with someone who has had 14 pretty good months but is still very much unproven. I completely agree with this. Warburton could go on to do good things elsewhere but could just as easily fade away into managerial obscurity. I'd see him as no obvious improvement over Pearson, although, fair play, he's taken Brentford and improved them. If we do go on to replace Pearson, I'd want someone coming in either young, fresh and with a point to prove OR someone with plenty of experience at this type of level. For me, the former candidate would be someone like Eddie Howe (who always seems to speak lots of sense, but who would be risky in terms of managing a 'bigger' club), or Neil Lennon who did well at Celtic and is doing good things at Bolton. I could see various merits in either of those two..but if asked to pick (if it comes to that), I'd choose Lenny.
Babylon Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 It's knee jerk. I'd hesitate to cal it stupid, Getting Brentford to where they are is certainly more of an achievement than getting Leicester City into the Premier League. I thought Bretford had been backed a bit financially, the Saddler I work with seemed to think so... or I might be confusing them with someone else. My lower league knowledge is flawed!
Mark_w Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 The last two were talking about Fat Sam were they not? Oops Sorry. Still Sam Allardyce is not coming here, I think believing for a second that he would in the event of us going down is probably worse.
iancognito Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 Hahahaha! Warburton?!?!?! Yeah, it was an achievement for Holloway to get a small town like Blackpool up but he came here and was boll0cks. The knee-jerkery on here is untrue. A few wins and Warburton's a genius, one bad season and Pearson's a clown. If Pearson left I'd love Allardyce to come here. The place would go into a meltdown - more so - every time he defended his side, cupped his ear to criticism or didn't play Christiano Albrightio. The "Sackims" would love Sam arrogance just as much as Pearson's.
Guest Col city fan Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 Hahahaha! Warburton?!?!?! Yeah, it was an achievement for Holloway to get a small town like Blackpool up but he came here and was boll0cks. The knee-jerkery on here is untrue. A few wins and Warburton's a genius, one bad season and Pearson's a clown. If Pearson left I'd love Allardyce to come here. The place would go into a meltdown - more so - every time he defended his side, cupped his ear to criticism or didn't play Christiano Albrightio. The "Sackims" would love Sam arrogance just as much as Pearson's. Good post.
Babylon Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 I completely agree with this. Warburton could go on to do good things elsewhere but could just as easily fade away into managerial obscurity. I'd see him as no obvious improvement over Pearson, although, fair play, he's taken Brentford and improved them. If we do go on to replace Pearson, I'd want someone coming in either young, fresh and with a point to prove OR someone with plenty of experience at this type of level. For me, the former candidate would be someone like Eddie Howe (who always seems to speak lots of sense, but who would be risky in terms of managing a 'bigger' club), or Neil Lennon who did well at Celtic and is doing good things at Bolton. I could see various merits in either of those two..but if asked to pick (if it comes to that), I'd choose Lenny. Howe, Karanka, McClaren and Mick McCarthy are obviously the standout candidates from that league (Christ even I'm talking like he's gone now). Warburton, it would have been interesting to see how he did after the first season bounce wore off that happens so often. Lennon, he'll be interesting to monitor a bit longer to see where they finish. A top 9 finish for him would be a great showing from where they were. Quite a few candidates there who have taken over teams and improved them without huge investment. I think Boro have spent a few quid out of them. I think Mick McCarthy has done a great job at Ipswich, he's had to make massive financial cut backs I believe and spent very little. To have them where they are is top draw. I love a miserable bleeder in charge... I'd love to see Stringers face if we swapped Pearson for Mick
Guest MattP Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 Why is Lennon being considered? Had he not played for us I don't think he'd be getting a mention. The bloke was struggling to win 2 out of 3 trophys a year in Scotland despite being given the league and Rangers being three divisions lower. Imagine if someone won the championship this year with 102 points having took over the club in mid table? Would anyone fancy a bloke like that if charge if we had to play in that division again?
johnny the fox Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 Warburton to leave the Brentford at the end of the season If Brentford got promoted surely his achievements as manager would outshine smug bollocks We have no chance .. looks like he has been headhunted by one of our rivals. http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threads/54063-A-manager-that-has-a-proven-record-with-limited-resources
Guest Col city fan Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 Howe, Karanka, McClaren and Mick McCarthy are obviously the standout candidates from that league (Christ even I'm talking like he's gone now). Warburton, it would have been interesting to see how he did after the first season bounce wore off that happens so often. Lennon, he'll be interesting to monitor a bit longer to see where they finish. A top 9 finish for him would be a great showing from where they were. Quite a few candidates there who have taken over teams and improved them without huge investment. I think Boro have spent a few quid out of them. I think Mick McCarthy has done a great job at Ipswich, he's had to make massive financial cut backs I believe and spent very little. To have them where they are is top draw. I love a miserable bleeder in charge... I'd love to see Stringers face if we swapped Pearson for Mick All of them are pretty good shouts. I don't get this about McCarthy having 'failed' in the Prem? Well if we go down and stick with Nige, there's plenty saying that he would have learnt from his mistakes, so why not the same with McCarthy? He's done wonders really with Ipswich. Weren't they bottom three when he took over, he's not spent much at all, and are now really competing.
Mark_w Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 I completely agree with this. Warburton could go on to do good things elsewhere but could just as easily fade away into managerial obscurity. I'd see him as no obvious improvement over Pearson, although, fair play, he's taken Brentford and improved them. If we do go on to replace Pearson, I'd want someone coming in either young, fresh and with a point to prove OR someone with plenty of experience at this type of level. For me, the former candidate would be someone like Eddie Howe (who always seems to speak lots of sense, but who would be risky in terms of managing a 'bigger' club), or Neil Lennon who did well at Celtic and is doing good things at Bolton. I could see various merits in either of those two..but if asked to pick (if it comes to that), I'd choose Lenny. Yeah I'm with Matt. I think Lennon is in a similar position to Warburton really if we look at it without getting sentimental about his time here as a player. He did well at Celtic, but no better than any competent football manager would have done. Scottish Football is a Celtic monopoly at the moment. And he's doing a decent job at Bolton but I wouldn't call it anything more than that. I'd probably rather gamble on Warburton than Lennon, but the fact is it would be a gamble when we've got a proven Championship manager at the club already. Don't think there's any chance of Eddie Howe coming here, if he jumps ship he'll go to a decent Prem side.
Babylon Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 Why is Lennon being considered? Had he not played for us I don't think he'd be getting a mention. The bloke was struggling to win 2 out of 3 trophys a year in Scotland despite being given the league and Rangers being three divisions lower. Imagine if someone won the championship this year with 102 points having took over the club in mid table? Would anyone fancy a bloke like that if charge if we had to play in that division again? Being considered and actually choosing him are two different things. I'd be watching him if I were the owner of a club, especially a club he does have strong links with. As I said, a finish of top 9 would be a good achievement with where they started. It might be a season too early to take a punt on him though.
Guest Col city fan Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 Why is Lennon being considered? Had he not played for us I don't think he'd be getting a mention. The bloke was struggling to win 2 out of 3 trophys a year in Scotland despite being given the league and Rangers being three divisions lower. Imagine if someone won the championship this year with 102 points having took over the club in mid table? Would anyone fancy a bloke like that if charge if we had to play in that division again? I'm not at all bothered that he's played for us. If he can succeed at Celtic (and I don't only mean winning trophies there, but managing a very big club, with massive expectation and 40 odd thousand loud Glaswegians every other week), I think he could manage Leicester City. And he's turning things around at Bolton, albeit gradually. Yoive nailed your colours to the mast regarding Pearson Matt..fair enough...but that doesn't preclude discussing other options should he get the push.
Mark_w Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 All of them are pretty good shouts. I don't get this about McCarthy having 'failed' in the Prem? Well if we go down and stick with Nige, there's plenty saying that he would have learnt from his mistakes, so why not the same with McCarthy? He's done wonders really with Ipswich. Weren't they bottom three when he took over, he's not spent much at all, and are now really competing. True but when they're in similar positions why not stick with the one who is already here, has already done the difficult job of assembling a strong Championship squad and who a lot of us have a fairly strong attachment to. None of these suggestions (at least not the ones that are at all realistic) are an improvement on Nigel Pearson.
Guest MattP Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 I'm not at all bothered that he's played for us. If he can succeed at Celtic (and I don't only mean winning trophies there, but managing a very big club, with massive expectation and 40 odd thousand loud Glaswegians every other week), I think he could manage Leicester City. And he's turning things around at Bolton, albeit gradually. Yoive nailed your colours to the mast regarding Pearson Matt..fair enough...but that doesn't preclude discussing other options should he get the push. Let's be honest though not a single manager in football wouldn't win the league with Celtic now, didn't Inverness Caledonian Thistle finish second one of the years he won it. The bookies give them a 50 point handicap on the betting odds If he does a good job at Bolton over time I'd look at him as a prospect, I can't seriously judge anything done up there though given the current state of the SPL. Although if people want a manager sacked for abusing fans Lenny might not be the one they want in given his record
Guest Col city fan Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 Let's be honest though not a single manager in football wouldn't win the league with Celtic now, didn't Inverness Caledonian Thistle finish second one of the years he won it. The bookies give them a 50 point handicap on the betting odds If he does a good job at Bolton over time I'd look at him as a prospect, I can't seriously judge anything done up there though given the current state of the SPL. Although if people want a manager sacked for abusing fans Lenny might not be the one they want in given his record That's why I said managing Celtic isn't only about getting points and winning the Scottish Prem. It's more than that. It's about managing expectation and a club with a huge fanbase and a global brand. I maintain, if you do that, you can manage Leicester. I can't argue with the last sentence though, however I think you can say he was properly provoked..
Mayofox Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 Warburton to leave the Brentford at the end of the season This could actually work. Been reading about him, turns out he was an apprentice with us in 1977/78, a year behind a G Lineker. At Brentford, albeit in League 1, he started with 5 wins on the trot, and went 19 league games unbeaten. Could we cope with that kind of success?
Babylon Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 Could we cope with that kind of success? We managed in league one and last season ok.
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