l444ry Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 Allardyce unlikely to be offered a new deal by West Ham so will be free in the summer... Probably a name to consider if Pearson does go. Would love to have him even if Pearson kept us up. Just the sort of fella we need.
Steven Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 Would love to have him even if Pearson kept us up. Just the sort of fella we need. Agree, a step up.
Webbo Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 If I was Pearson I'd be a bit offended at the idea that I had something to learn. He's 51 years old, he must have been in football for 40ish years. The idea that he knows enough tactics for the championship but not enough for the PL seems a bit silly to me, as does the idea that getting beat every week will endow him with wisdom and knowledge.
HankMarvin Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 If I was Pearson I'd be a bit offended at the idea that I had something to learn. He's 51 years old, he must have been in football for 40ish years. The idea that he knows enough tactics for the championship but not enough for the PL seems a bit silly to me, as does the idea that getting beat every week will endow him with wisdom and knowledge. Isn't the true test of a manager how they bounce back from defeats, when players are steam rolling opposition i'm sure the team-talk takes care of its self - motivate the troops etc .... arm round the shoulder.... don't have favourites... I think you need to look no further than how Albrightons wife tweeted she was happy when NP was given the alleged sacking. Drinkwater player of the year to a shadow of himself, 9 full 90 min apps in 25 games Dec 14 re: Brown Ideye Ideye" was absolute pants,a total waste of fresh air someone else could be inhaling in his place. A fantastic cross across the face of goal ripe for a centre forward's header and he goes at it like "Hong Kong Phooey" and misses it completely. I wouldn't pay him in washers. £10 million ffs,his agent must've seen us coming. Complete waste of money!!! Have to go along with this. I saw nothing today in his performance to make me think that he s going to be an asset to our side. He is too easily shrugged off the ball, his touch is poor and as for going for that cross with his foot; what was he thinking of? Rosenberg showed far more class in his few starts and just needed a goal. This bloke doesn't. I do hope I'm proved wrong. new manager 2 months later Brown Ideye...an apology! http://boards.footymad.net/forum.php?tno=550&fid=255&sty=2&act=1&mid=2110253020&page=1 Tony Pulis is using the same 'old school' management style he has employed for 23 years - and it's working out for West Brom Since taking over from Alan Irvine, Pulis has won five of his eight games His makes players feel valued and focuses on their strengths Brown Ideye has had his West Brom career turned around by the treatment "You make sure everybody knows what they are expected to do. You make sure everybody feels valued (Albrighton prime example) You ask people to do the things they are good at, and concentrate on making them better still, rather than obsess about their weaknesses." Which leaves the question does NP get the best out of his players?? Remember how good wood was at millwall before he joined
ADK Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 If I was Pearson I'd be a bit offended at the idea that I had something to learn. He's 51 years old, he must have been in football for 40ish years. The idea that he knows enough tactics for the championship but not enough for the PL seems a bit silly to me, as does the idea that getting beat every week will endow him with wisdom and knowledge. I don't think he will become a tactical mastermind, but the demands on a manager of conducting a premier league campaign with the target of securing safety are probably different to those for chasing promotion in a 2nd and 3rd tier side. I think he will have learned lessons over summer recruitment and the danger of sentimentality in keeping players who are not good enough. I do think their are doubts over his ability to grind out wins with sides in poor form. We managed to go on a dismal run with a promotion capable side, so I was a little nervous about him managing a side that would inevitably lose a few on the bounce. So far, as I feared he struggles to get us out of poor form, relying on blind luck to bail him out.
Corky Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 Allardyce unlikely to be offered a new deal by West Ham so will be free in the summer... Probably a name to consider if Pearson does go. Our fans couldn't cope with his arrogance if they struggle with Pearson's. I'd love him to cup his ear to the fans after a game and see the forum go into meltdown.
ADK Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 I'd be happy with Allardyce. Just the sort of manager we need and could potentially attract.
Guest Col city fan Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 I'd be happy with Allardyce. Just the sort of manager we need and could potentially attract. Why on earth would Allardyce want to leave West Ham to come to City? I'd be happy with Allardyce. Just the sort of manager we need and could potentially attract. Why on earth would Allardyce want to leave West Ham to come to City? I'd be happy with Allardyce. Just the sort of manager we need and could potentially attract. Why on earth would Allardyce want to leave West Ham to come to City?
l444ry Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 Why on earth would Allardyce want to leave West Ham to come to City? Why on earth would Allardyce want to leave West Ham to come to City? Why on earth would Allardyce want to leave West Ham to come to City? It's not a matter of Sam wanting to leave WHU. It's a matter of whether WHU will renew his contract, if today's media reports are to be believed.
Stevosevic Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 Why on earth would Allardyce want to leave West Ham to come to City? Why on earth would Allardyce want to leave West Ham to come to City? Why on earth would Allardyce want to leave West Ham to come to City? He's not going to have a choice about leaving West Ham. His contract is expiring and it would appear he won't be getting a new one.
Max Power Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 Allardyce would get a Prem job surely? Sunderland perhaps. Warburton is an interesting candidate for us.
ADK Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 Why on earth would Allardyce want to leave West Ham to come to City? Why on earth would Allardyce want to leave West Ham to come to City? Why on earth would Allardyce want to leave West Ham to come to City? Because there's a decent chance West Ham won't keep him. I'm not actually that enthralled by the idea but it's an awful lot better than some of the names we've had so far.
Stevosevic Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 Allardyce would get a Prem job surely? Sunderland perhaps. Warburton is an interesting candidate for us. He stepped down before to take the West Ham job who had just been relegated. It wouldn't be out of the question with backing i imagine.
Guest Col city fan Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 It's not a matter of Sam wanting to leave WHU. It's a matter of whether WHU will renew his contract, if today's media reports are to be believed. Ah..ok cheers Only just got in and hadn't heard..
AKCJ Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 You have to laugh if they don't give him a contract. West Ham fans have been whinging for ages that "they don't play good football" (an argument only heard when they're not winning games) and now that they've actually played some really exciting stuff they're not going to renew his contract
Guest Col city fan Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 You have to laugh if they don't give him a contract. West Ham fans have been whinging for ages that "they don't play good football" (an argument only heard when they're not winning games) and now that they've actually played some really exciting stuff they're not going to renew his contract I have to agree with this. The West Ham and Spurs fans seem the worst. They moan even more than City fans.
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 I'm neither completley pro or anti Pearson. Clearly he did a fantastic job last season, rebuilding from the mess that was the second part of the 12/13 season and romping the league at ease is nothing short of remarkable. Developing the likes of James, Drinkwater and Vardy into top class Championship players. We have played very well in a lot of games this season and been somewhat unlucky in a fair few too, not all of that can be blamed on Pearson. However, how many players can you realistically say have improved and made the step up. To name but a few, Drinkwater, Vardy, Nugent, Morgan, De Leat and Moore have all looked a shaddow of the players that they were last season; when you compare them to the likes of Joey Barton, Ashley Barnes, Scott Arfield etc, is there really that much difference in quality? A lot can be put down to the individual players themselves, but also Dyche's work (cannot stand the man). Furthermore, our signings have been, for the most part, average. Obviously NP only has so much of a say, but Simpson, Upson (a little unfair on him at this stage perhaps) and Albrighton (can't even get a game) have really offered nothing new to our game. Ulloa has brought goals, without which we may be even further adrift, but he's been somewhat of a hinderance in many games this season. If/when we do go down under NP, I think he will be able to stabalise the club again, ala West Brom of a few years back, but promotion within a year or two is not guarenteed by any stretch. We are in a losing habbit and that is very difficult to turn around, we will undoubtly lose the likes of Mahrez and Kramaric, and maybe even someone like Matty James for the right price - but Pearson has shown how astute he can be in the Championship market. However, I'm not hugely convinced he has the tactical knowhow for this division, similar to somebody like Mick Mccarthy in some respects. Clearly the big question is who would replace NP if he were to go. Out of work managers are certainly not particularly exciting and those in work are highly unlikely to be desperate to join a sinking ship. I do however think there are managers out there for the right price, and yes that will always be a gamble. Just look at what Gary Monk has done at Swansea, he was hardly considered the saviour prior to his appointment but has done a very decent job to date. Great post, very balanced view
Richard Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 Allardyce said he's good enough to manage Real.. How's that for arrogance?
ADK Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 I can see the logic though. They are moving into a new ground and trying to bring the club forward. I think Allardyce has taken them as far as he is capable of. He strikes me as a conservative, boring manager who does the basics right.
Callabinho Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 I can see the logic though. They are moving into a new ground and trying to bring the club forward. I think Allardyce has taken them as far as he is capable of. He strikes me as a conservative, boring manager who does the basics right. If take that over our current train wreck of a season.
Babylon Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 Isn't the true test of a manager how they bounce back from defeats, when players are steam rolling opposition i'm sure the team-talk takes care of its self - motivate the troops etc .... arm round the shoulder.... don't have favourites... I think you need to look no further than how Albrightons wife tweeted she was happy when NP was given the alleged sacking. Drinkwater player of the year to a shadow of himself, 9 full 90 min apps in 25 games Dec 14 re: Brown Ideye Ideye" was absolute pants,a total waste of fresh air someone else could be inhaling in his place. A fantastic cross across the face of goal ripe for a centre forward's header and he goes at it like "Hong Kong Phooey" and misses it completely. I wouldn't pay him in washers. £10 million ffs,his agent must've seen us coming. Complete waste of money!!! Have to go along with this. I saw nothing today in his performance to make me think that he s going to be an asset to our side. He is too easily shrugged off the ball, his touch is poor and as for going for that cross with his foot; what was he thinking of? Rosenberg showed far more class in his few starts and just needed a goal. This bloke doesn't. I do hope I'm proved wrong. new manager 2 months later Brown Ideye...an apology! http://boards.footymad.net/forum.php?tno=550&fid=255&sty=2&act=1&mid=2110253020&page=1 Tony Pulis is using the same 'old school' management style he has employed for 23 years - and it's working out for West Brom Since taking over from Alan Irvine, Pulis has won five of his eight games His makes players feel valued and focuses on their strengths Brown Ideye has had his West Brom career turned around by the treatment "You make sure everybody knows what they are expected to do. You make sure everybody feels valued (Albrighton prime example) You ask people to do the things they are good at, and concentrate on making them better still, rather than obsess about their weaknesses." Which leaves the question does NP get the best out of his players?? Remember how good wood was at millwall before he joined You think every manager gets on with all their players? If you think there aren't people at West Brom pissed off because they don't get a game you're kidding yourself. We get this all the time about Pearson, "he plays his favourites" of course he bloody does. He's not going to pick the players he doesn't think are good enough, or don't follow instructions, or are disruptive. You lot said all this about Danns, Beckford, Mills, SSL... that they were all great and he didn't know what he was doing. Turned out they were all shit and he did know what he was doing. The pathetic chucking about of made up shit like "only playing his mates" is just utter nonsense. This isn't just aimed at you, lots of people do the same thing and it's rubbish. There are enough quotes out there from ex players of his that give Pearson glowing reports, even from people who were no his plans like Berner and Gallagher. But no, that's not good enough. People need to dream up make believe scenarios to discredit him. If you have a problem with the team he puts out, just say so. There is no need for the other stuff as it just cheapens what might be a valid point.
Mark_w Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 Isn't the true test of a manager how they bounce back from defeats, when players are steam rolling opposition i'm sure the team-talk takes care of its self - motivate the troops etc .... arm round the shoulder.... don't have favourites... I think you need to look no further than how Albrightons wife tweeted she was happy when NP was given the alleged sacking. Drinkwater player of the year to a shadow of himself, 9 full 90 min apps in 25 games ... "You make sure everybody knows what they are expected to do. You make sure everybody feels valued (Albrighton prime example) You ask people to do the things they are good at, and concentrate on making them better still, rather than obsess about their weaknesses." Which leaves the question does NP get the best out of his players?? Remember how good wood was at millwall before he joined Has Tony Pulis never fallen out with a player then? I highly doubt that. I think you're massively underplaying how difficult it is for a manager to get teams 'steam rolling opposition', Nigel Pearson deserves an enormous amount of credit for what he did in basically every full season he's had at the club before this one is. And the reality is you don't know the ins and outs of the Albrighton situation, neither do I, none of us do. Without knowing why it's happening it's difficult to offer much of an opinion on the matter, but all I will say is when similar was being done to Matt Mills (though the Albrighton situation is clearly not to the same extent) and people were complaining it didn't do us too much harm in the long run. Obviously Nigel gets the best out of some players and not out of others. But I think the 2009/10 season tells you all you need to know about how much he is capable of getting out of a squad, bad managers do not get Chris Weale, Michael Morrison, Jack Hobbs, Wayne Brown, Bruno Berner, Paul Gallagher, Richie Wellens, Andy King, Llloyd Dyer, Matty Fryatt and Steve Howard to finish 5th in the Championship. Nor do bad man managers get 102 points in any season in any division, let alone one following an incredibly bad run and major disappointment the season before, it's not like you can just sit there 'put your arm round people' and watch as they demolish an entire division, it does actually take very good management.
Parafox Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 Yes but one must say it's also not worthy of abuse. I would not particularly complain if NP went now, I'd just find it very sad that a Manager who has given us so much be treated with such little respect by so many of our fans. Maybe one thing to learn from this is never, ever get attached to the Manager (or ever think he's the right man for the job) as you'll only ever end up disappointed. Stability is an unachievable ambition at this Club. Mmmm... F off and Die?... that and the failure to adequately explain dubious tactics, substitutions etc. in interviews when he knows fans who PAY GOOD MONEY are demanding explanations for the team they support being in the position they are currently in
Mark_w Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 Mmmm... F off and Die?... that and the failure to adequately explain dubious tactics, substitutions etc. in interviews when he knows fans who PAY GOOD MONEY are demanding explanations for the team they support being in the position they are currently in Why should Nigel Pearson explain every single decision he makes that people on Foxes Talk have an issue with, he'd never stop talking. Managers do not have to tell you every intricate little detail that's gone into the decision making process just to try and justify their own decisions. And 'fans' do not, as a whole, want to hear it. I certainly don't, some may do, but I don't see why your needs are any more important than mine, so the manager should be free surely to say as little or much as he pleases, there are always going to be fans in both camps and he can't please all of us. And he told one moron to F off and die, does that really matter?
Manwell Pablo Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 Why on earth would Allardyce want to leave West Ham to come to City? Why on earth would Allardyce want to leave West Ham to come to City? Why on earth would Allardyce want to leave West Ham to come to City? More importantly why on earth would Allardyce want to leave West Ham to come to Leicester City?
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