ADK Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 The logic that says we should keep him to get us up would indicate that we should sack him if he does so. Not really.
john ridley Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Think if we don't beat Hull that will be it for Pearson , more and more are getting pissed off every game , and once the majority start voicing it especially at home there's no going back for him . He's bought it on himself , only himself to blame .
ADK Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Really. The only managers to achieve a re-promotion I can think of recently are Curbishley, Bruce and Reid. All then stayed up. Hardly logical to assume Pearson will be the exception and pre-emptively sack him.
tickler28 Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Seems as though everyone makes the same point on here that I did re...if Pearson got us back up...would we keep him?....I for oner am beginning to really dislike the bloke and not just for the constant shit he delivers on the pitch but his arrogance and obnoxious demeanour. The bloke knows he's not the right man to take us forward... he has no idea how to motivate the players, get us playing good football least of all winning games. If we keep him and we go down I for one would love us to take a gamble on someone like Hasselbaink or Howe (assuming Bournemouth haven't been promoted) . Fresh start that's what we need
cityfanlee23 Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Seems as though everyone makes the same point on here that I did re...if Pearson got us back up...would we keep him?....I for oner am beginning to really dislike the bloke and not just for the constant shit he delivers on the pitch but his arrogance and obnoxious demeanour. The bloke knows he's not the right man to take us forward... he has no idea how to motivate the players, get us playing good football least of all winning games. If we keep him and we go down I for one would love us to take a gamble on someone like Hasselbaink or Howe (assuming Bournemouth haven't been promoted) . Fresh start that's what we need
Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Becoming more and more frustrating with his team selections and tactics, no doubt about that.
Strokes Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Mick McCarthy was embarrassing and incapable in his first stint in the prem. Survived 2 and a half in his second stint, just saying. Good championship manager, average prem manager.
inckley fox Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Yeah when the target is promotion the last person we need in charge is someone with a strong record of promotions. I get the feeling if we go down some people want a sacking for punishment rather than thinking what might actually be best for the football club and it's upcoming target. I thought the aim was for us to establish ourselves as a top flight club, no? If not this time, then next time around. Not so long ago Pearson said that building a top flight side doesn't take place over the course of the summer, it takes years. With that in mind, and the fact that this squad of players is ageing fast and clearly well short of Premier League quality, why would you leave the job to him all over again? Add to that the fact that it took him two-and-a-half years to achieve promotion last time, and even if we do go up there's no reason to believe he'll be able to take us any further. Which means that, even if he did strike gold next season, we'd either have to sack Pearson instantly, or allow him to plan for the top flight even though we know that we'll probably have to fire him after 10-15 games. Unless he's got massively better at being a PL manager during a year or two outside the top flight, in spite of the fact that he showed no signs of improvement whatsoever over the course of the year he did actually spend in that league. It's hardly convincing stuff.
SecretPro Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 A few people on here suffer from that aswell. A few? **** me thats an understatement.
SecretPro Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Think if we don't beat Hull that will be it for Pearson , more and more are getting pissed off every game , and once the majority start voicing it especially at home there's no going back for him . He's bought it on himself , only himself to blame . Please don't wait until Hull. There IS still a chance we can stay up, but to do so we need to get points fro the next three. I'm pretty cheesed he's still here to be honest. Owners ****ed it up buy bottling it the other weekend, now he's here to stay even if he scores for Hull himself.
FoxKing10 Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Posted Today, 09:54 PM Is it true that you are now the most loved man in the city of nottingham "where your from"? When you finally get out of here, can you take the Tw@s who think your a decent manager with you. By the way for the fans from the inner city of Leicester, have any of you ever met someone from our city that really likes this guy? I live in the city go to many many pubs around our city and never met one. Where are the guys who want him to stay come from. Loughborough? Quorn? Shepshed? Gotta be from somewhere on the way to notts surely, certainly not from the inner city. 0 Quote MultiQuote Edit Top Report
lestajigs Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Beating Man U, coming back from 2-0 at Anfield and other creditable performances aren't bad. We've not actually lost a match by more than two this season. It's posts like that which make the Pearson out camp look ridiculous. We have not lost by more then 2 goals all season!!! Flipping hell, give Pearson a 20 year contract then!!
inckley fox Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Mick McCarthy was embarrassing and incapable in his first stint in the prem. Survived 2 and a half in his second stint, just saying. Good championship manager, average prem manager. These are exceptions to the rule, which is that managers who get promoted from the Championship, or relegated from the Premier League, very rarely go on to be successful top tier managers. And they're hardly persuasive exceptions either. I keep seeing the names McCarthy, Bruce and Reid being mentioned. Is that what Pearson has to aspire to? There's four top flight relegations and a further four sackings in those three names alone. On the other hand, you could look at the last thirty or forty promotions to the Premier League and the vast majority of names responsible for those achievements - Phil Brown, Aidy Boothroyd, Billy Davies, Neil Warnock, Nigel Adkins, Nigel Worthington, Ian Dowie, Ian Holloway, Malky Mackay, Bryan McDermott, Micky Adams, Tony Mowbray... Hardly inspires hope for Pearson's future. Or, alternatively, take a glance at those relegated. Neither list suggests there's much cause for optimism. Or we could keep focusing on Peter Reid, Steve Bruce, Mick McCarthy and Curbishley and just hope Pearson becomes the latest exception to the rule. But I see no reason to think this is likely to bring us any more chance of success than sacking Pearson, appointing any other proven failure who once won a promotion and hoping to god that they've learnt something since last time around.
Thrill Bert Fox Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 1.) You lost it with Pearsonites. It's such an idiotic phrase, it's becoming boring. 2.) No one said it'd be easy but he's a manager who's never finished outside the top 6 in any league with us. That shows he has form in getting us out of the league. If Mahrez, James, Cambiasso etc leave we'll replace them just like we did when any other quality player left. The anti-Peasron brigade say that the club is bigger than any one person, yet bleat about players leaving. Players come and go the same as managers. 3.) Inept transfer policy? VERY few people said that Upson, Albrighton, Cambiasso and Ulloa were bad signings and MANY people said 3 or 4 players added to our supposed Invincibles would be enough. We can all jump into a phonebox and become Captain Hindsight, the fact is no-one saw this crap season coming. As for tactical know how, week-in-week-out fans on here shout out 101 different teams and formations. Virtually the same team that gave Arsenal a game struggled against Villa. It surprised Pearson as much as anyone. 4.) Another poor decision from the naive Thais? What other ones have they made? They've never vetoed a transfer, have never over-ruled or meddled in team affairs, have never once moaned about the whingeing gits in the stands or tried to change a single thing about the club but because YOU don't like the manager, they're naive? They haven't earned billions by being naive. Wow I am glad I read this I thought I was in a bad dream and we had a manger who was constantly making poor decisions, not motivating a team , poor use of subs and we had ended up bottom of the league with little chance of survival. Thanks goodness all is ok
Strokes Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 These are exceptions to the rule, which is that managers who get promoted from the Championship, or relegated from the Premier League, very rarely go on to be successful top tier managers. And they're hardly persuasive exceptions either. I keep seeing the names McCarthy, Bruce and Reid being mentioned. Is that what Pearson has to aspire to? There's four top flight relegations and a further four sackings in those three names alone. On the other hand, you could look at the last thirty or forty promotions to the Premier League and the vast majority of names responsible for those achievements - Phil Brown, Aidy Boothroyd, Billy Davies, Neil Warnock, Nigel Adkins, Nigel Worthington, Ian Dowie, Ian Holloway, Malky Mackay, Bryan McDermott, Micky Adams, Tony Mowbray... Hardly inspires hope for Pearson's future. Or, alternatively, take a glance at those relegated. Neither list suggests there's much cause for optimism. Or we could keep focusing on Peter Reid, Steve Bruce, Mick McCarthy and Curbishley and just hope Pearson becomes the latest exception to the rule. But I see no reason to think this is likely to bring us any more chance of success than sacking Pearson, appointing any other proven failure who once won a promotion and hoping to god that they've learnt something since last time around. Add redknapp and Souness to that list. It depends what your expectations are, I mean we all dream of Europe, Cup wins, top ten finishes but finding a manager that can deliver that at a club like Leicester is one in a million regardless. Can Pearson deliver a team to stay in this league, I think so. Is that his limit, almost certainly. I accept Leicester are a club that will go up and come down. We will spend slightly less time in the top tier as we will in the second, history proves this. This is why I won't get upset if we go down, if Pearson can't keep us at the six of the champ then we should consider sacking him but not before.
st albans fox Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Though it matters not a jot, we've gone from being many PL supporters fav other team (as we quickly became after the Man U game) to being almost despised. Many of the folk in our office think our manager is a cvnt. I was quite surprised by the strength of feeling.
Strokes Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Though it matters not a jot, we've gone from being many PL supporters fav other team (as we quickly became after the Man U game) to being almost despised. Many of the folk in our office think our manager is a cvnt. I was quite surprised by the strength of feeling. Good
inckley fox Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Though it matters not a jot, we've gone from being many PL supporters fav other team (as we quickly became after the Man U game) to being almost despised. Many of the folk in our office think our manager is a cvnt. I was quite surprised by the strength of feeling. A bunch of Spanish kids in the school (in Spain) were laughing at me today and said exactly the same (differently worded, of course). I was quite shocked by how far and wide the perception of him as a sort of inept and ridiculous school bully has stretched.
Mike Oxlong Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 The only managers to achieve a re-promotion I can think of recently are Curbishley, Bruce and Reid. All then stayed up. Hardly logical to assume Pearson will be the exception and pre-emptively sack him.Reid and Bruce had both kept teams in the top flight before the season in which they were relegated and Curbishley kept Charlton's hopes alive into the final game of the season. I'm not convinced Nigel has or will do quite so well before relegation. I prefer to judge him on his performance rather than that of other mediocre managers that on his track record this term he comes second best to.Seriously, answer me this. What conditions would have to exist for you to sack Pearson this season or at all?
Harry - LCFC Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 I thought the aim was for us to establish ourselves as a top flight club, no? If not this time, then next time around. Not so long ago Pearson said that building a top flight side doesn't take place over the course of the summer, it takes years. With that in mind, and the fact that this squad of players is ageing fast and clearly well short of Premier League quality, why would you leave the job to him all over again? Add to that the fact that it took him two-and-a-half years to achieve promotion last time, and even if we do go up there's no reason to believe he'll be able to take us any further. Which means that, even if he did strike gold next season, we'd either have to sack Pearson instantly, or allow him to plan for the top flight even though we know that we'll probably have to fire him after 10-15 games. Unless he's got massively better at being a PL manager during a year or two outside the top flight, in spite of the fact that he showed no signs of improvement whatsoever over the course of the year he did actually spend in that league. It's hardly convincing stuff. I don't agree with most of this but I especially disagree here. This season is the only one where Pearson hasn't really learnt or progressed - but it's the exception. There certainly are reasons to think he can take us further - you might not find them convincing but they are there. Your statement that there is "no reason" to believe he can do better isn't correct - it's akin to saying the 09/10 season showed he could never get us promoted from the Championship. One season rarely acts as proof of anything. We have to look further than that.
Dan Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 I think Pearson got his tactics spot on yesterday UNTIL the barmy change he made (lots of people have swerved the fact that they were calling for that change..). Here's why: 1. Going away from home is never an easy fixture in the Premiership or in the FA cup. Villa had just as much reason to win that game as we did. Maybe more so. They were at home, in front of an expectant crowd and playing in front of a new boss. It was never going to be a walk in the park. 2. Despite lots of piss-taking (surprise surprise), we WERE the better side in the first half. The formation limited them to sod-all chances whilst we made two good ones. James' shot was a goal all the way until a world - class save from Shay Given. I remarked in the match thread..I was content at our first half performance because I could see what Pearson was trying to do. And it very very nearly worked. If we had come off that field a goal up at half time, the mood would have been different. We would have been seen as grinding out a result. I'm surprised people couldn't see that. Then again...nah, I'm not. 3. The second half...anyone who knows a bit about football knew that the Villa had been rubbish first half, they would get a volley at half time and would come out all guns blazing. And so it proved. HOWEVER..We still limited them to very few clear cut chances. It was highly likely that if we could see this out, they would lose spirit and from about 70 mins on, we could possibly hit on the counter. So....given that scenario, what did Nigel do? Sit it out, wait, continue to frustrate? No, Pearson did exactly what 95% of the forum vehemently wanted him to do..he went 4-4-2. I was shouting at the TV.."don't do it Nigel..have courage in your initial formation..and posting on here too as it happened". Within what? A couple of mins..The floodgates opened. The first went in, the Villans KNEW the game was opened up and went for it. Pearson had made this change, might I add, without replacing Cambiasso (who's legs by then had completely gone). Thus, James was pretty much isolated against an oncoming onslaught. It was tactical naivety at the most basic level, it cost us the game and, I believe, a very good shout of reaching Wembley this season. But again, this tactical change was demanded, mid game, by some of the very same people who are now slating Pearson for doing it. That's hypocrisy... make your decision and stick with it. I said as soon as he brought Ulloa on we'd lose. Don't get me wrong it was all set for an absolutely drab 0-0 whilst we played 5-2-3 but we never in my opinion really gave them any clear cut opportunities. Villa did the same thing over and over again, won the ball, got it out wide and aimed for Benteke. Our formation with three centre halves dealt with this with relative ease. We might not have to go with five at the back when the superior Huth comes in but I wouldn't be totally against it for Everton. I see them as being a poorer Arsenal and for that reason I don't think it's beyond us to get something given how we played at Arsenal.
RonnieTodger Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 I originally wanted him to stay, but now I definitely won't complain if he's sacked after the few months we've just had. Having said that, some of the aggression and anger in "Pearson Out" statements is nothing short of embarrassing. I heard "Get the **** out of our club you useless ****" in the stands yesterday. Pearson isn't the disgrace, you are.
5waller5 Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 1.) You lost it with Pearsonites. It's such an idiotic phrase, it's becoming boring. 2.) No one said it'd be easy but he's a manager who's never finished outside the top 6 in any league with us. That shows he has form in getting us out of the league. If Mahrez, James, Cambiasso etc leave we'll replace them just like we did when any other quality player left. The anti-Peasron brigade say that the club is bigger than any one person, yet bleat about players leaving. Players come and go the same as managers. 3.) Inept transfer policy? VERY few people said that Upson, Albrighton, Cambiasso and Ulloa were bad signings and MANY people said 3 or 4 players added to our supposed Invincibles would be enough. We can all jump into a phonebox and become Captain Hindsight, the fact is no-one saw this crap season coming. As for tactical know how, week-in-week-out fans on here shout out 101 different teams and formations. Virtually the same team that gave Arsenal a game struggled against Villa. It surprised Pearson as much as anyone. 4.) Another poor decision from the naive Thais? What other ones have they made? They've never vetoed a transfer, have never over-ruled or meddled in team affairs, have never once moaned about the whingeing gits in the stands or tried to change a single thing about the club but because YOU don't like the manager, they're naive? They haven't earned billions by being naive. I'm no psychic, but I have a sneaky suspicion this record may be just about to change.
ronnup Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 I'm nos psychic, but I have a sneaky suspicion this record may be just about to change. So negative
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