SecretPro Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 I originally wanted him to stay, but now I definitely won't complain if he's sacked after the few months we've just had. Having said that, some of the aggression and anger in "Pearson Out" statements is nothing short of embarrassing. I heard "Get the **** out of our club you useless ****" in the stands yesterday. Pearson isn't the disgrace, you are. Yeah, can see the sentiment that he needs to go, but there is no place for verbals and abuse, he has done a lot of good for the club and that shouldnt be forgotten.
Dan Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 I originally wanted him to stay, but now I definitely won't complain if he's sacked after the few months we've just had. Having said that, some of the aggression and anger in "Pearson Out" statements is nothing short of embarrassing. I heard "Get the **** out of our club you useless ****" in the stands yesterday. Pearson isn't the disgrace, you are. Pathetic isn't it. Can't stand the attitude of some of our fans.
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 Pathetic isn't it. Can't stand the attitude of some of our fans.There is definately no need to ever abuse our own manager or players whilst they are trying their best for our club As always we need to be 100 per cent behind the team and manager cheering them on, anything else is counter productive
Steven Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 There is definately no need to ever abuse our own manager or players whilst they are trying their best for our club As always we need to be 100 per cent behind the team and manager cheering them on, anything else is counter productive Trying one's best is not good enough.
C-man Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 Trying one's best is not good enough. Yes but one must say it's also not worthy of abuse. I would not particularly complain if NP went now, I'd just find it very sad that a Manager who has given us so much be treated with such little respect by so many of our fans. Maybe one thing to learn from this is never, ever get attached to the Manager (or ever think he's the right man for the job) as you'll only ever end up disappointed. Stability is an unachievable ambition at this Club.
teblin Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 1.) You lost it with Pearsonites. It's such an idiotic phrase, it's becoming boring. 2.) No one said it'd be easy but he's a manager who's never finished outside the top 6 in any league with us. That shows he has form in getting us out of the league. If Mahrez, James, Cambiasso etc leave we'll replace them just like we did when any other quality player left. The anti-Peasron brigade say that the club is bigger than any one person, yet bleat about players leaving. Players come and go the same as managers. 3.) Inept transfer policy? VERY few people said that Upson, Albrighton, Cambiasso and Ulloa were bad signings and MANY people said 3 or 4 players added to our supposed Invincibles would be enough. We can all jump into a phonebox and become Captain Hindsight, the fact is no-one saw this crap season coming. As for tactical know how, week-in-week-out fans on here shout out 101 different teams and formations. Virtually the same team that gave Arsenal a game struggled against Villa. It surprised Pearson as much as anyone. 4.) Another poor decision from the naive Thais? What other ones have they made? They've never vetoed a transfer, have never over-ruled or meddled in team affairs, have never once moaned about the whingeing gits in the stands or tried to change a single thing about the club but because YOU don't like the manager, they're naive? They haven't earned billions by being naive. Other than when he finished 9th?
Burmesefox Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 Pearson; a great championship manager but a poor premiership manager. he will not learn or change to be any better in the Premiership; he is too arrogant and stuck in his ways. This arrogance is a benefit in the Championship where he can excel but is a negative in the premiership where he is lacking in tactical nouse and ability at this level.
teblin Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 Pearson; a great championship manager but a poor premiership manager. he will not learn or change to be any better in the Premiership; he is too arrogant and stuck in his ways. This arrogance is a benefit in the Championship where he can excel but is a negative in the premiership where he is lacking in tactical nouse and ability at this level. I think he proved that he does learn from the season where we collapsed to the promotion season. But he doesn't seem to learn within a season.
Burmesefox Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 I think he proved that he does learn from the season where we collapsed to the promotion season. But he doesn't seem to learn within a season. the ability of a good manager is to react before a situation turns. Pearson is too clumsy and slow at this level. He is too stubborn, arrogant, truculent, argumentative and unwilling to admit liability. his failure to play Albrighton, As they don't get on, just proves it. I manage people in my job and I have to bite my tongue, ignore the personal element, and get on with things. He ostracizes to the detriment of success. He needs to drop his ego and show a little more humility and understanding.
MC Prussian Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 I thought the aim was for us to establish ourselves as a top flight club, no? If not this time, then next time around. Not so long ago Pearson said that building a top flight side doesn't take place over the course of the summer, it takes years. With that in mind, and the fact that this squad of players is ageing fast and clearly well short of Premier League quality, why would you leave the job to him all over again? Add to that the fact that it took him two-and-a-half years to achieve promotion last time, and even if we do go up there's no reason to believe he'll be able to take us any further. Which means that, even if he did strike gold next season, we'd either have to sack Pearson instantly, or allow him to plan for the top flight even though we know that we'll probably have to fire him after 10-15 games. Unless he's got massively better at being a PL manager during a year or two outside the top flight, in spite of the fact that he showed no signs of improvement whatsoever over the course of the year he did actually spend in that league. It's hardly convincing stuff. So do you acknowledge the fact that building a side worthy of competing in the top flight does take time? Then I wonder where our fans' patience is sometimes, browsing through and reading all those negative comments about the manager (usually excluding players from the same scrutiny) when they actually ought to know that it's usually a tough ask for an unproven manager at this level to achieve safety (17th spot or higher). It's an endeavour and we're all part of it - we're supposed to be supportive, because we have owners with a sensible sportive goal who think beyond the next week. And I'm pretty sure that even a relegation scenario is already in their books, so we'd be well-prepared in any case. Every squad is "ageing" - depends on what you consider to be "fast". I think we've got a good mixture of younger and older players at the moment and I can see a handful of "oldies" leaving because they look like surplus to requirements or have flattered to deceive (Morgan or Konchesky, for instance). I don't think we're "well short of Premier League quality" - the amount of narrow defeats suggests otherwise. The two and a half years under Pearson in the Championship (upon promotion from League One) were a chore, and that mainly due to all the fickle fans who wanted him out because he didn't deliver quickly enough. I see a pattern evolving here and it feels just like 2012 and 2013 all over again.
WardyisPukka Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 Pearson; a great championship manager but a poor premiership manager. he will not learn or change to be any better in the Premiership; he is too arrogant and stuck in his ways. This arrogance is a benefit in the Championship where he can excel but is a negative in the premiership where he is lacking in tactical nouse and ability at this level. This x 10000000 his tactical nouse is probably the one of the main if not the reason why we are in this mess - i'd understand if we were getting battered 4-1 every game but we've been narrowly losing games 1-0 2-1 and his inability to see why we need to change system/play has been baffling and the final straw was Sunday for me! Not bringing on Albrighton was a pissing joke Also his obsession with the diamond formation has ultimately cost us in the long run
Guest MattP Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 I thought the aim was for us to establish ourselves as a top flight club, no? If not this time, then next time around. Not so long ago Pearson said that building a top flight side doesn't take place over the course of the summer, it takes years. With that in mind, and the fact that this squad of players is ageing fast and clearly well short of Premier League quality, why would you leave the job to him all over again? Add to that the fact that it took him two-and-a-half years to achieve promotion last time, and even if we do go up there's no reason to believe he'll be able to take us any further. Which means that, even if he did strike gold next season, we'd either have to sack Pearson instantly, or allow him to plan for the top flight even though we know that we'll probably have to fire him after 10-15 games. Unless he's got massively better at being a PL manager during a year or two outside the top flight, in spite of the fact that he showed no signs of improvement whatsoever over the course of the year he did actually spend in that league. It's hardly convincing stuff. That remains the long term ambitious but a more short term one in the summer might just be promotion again and we'll have a man avaliable who knows how to do that. If you really think 2 years is a 'long time' to get out the Championship thst shows you how good we've has it under Pearson in that league. We still aren't down either. If we can somehow remain within 6-8 points of safety before April starts we could get right back in it.
David Guiza Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 I'm neither completley pro or anti Pearson. Clearly he did a fantastic job last season, rebuilding from the mess that was the second part of the 12/13 season and romping the league at ease is nothing short of remarkable. Developing the likes of James, Drinkwater and Vardy into top class Championship players. We have played very well in a lot of games this season and been somewhat unlucky in a fair few too, not all of that can be blamed on Pearson. However, how many players can you realistically say have improved and made the step up. To name but a few, Drinkwater, Vardy, Nugent, Morgan, De Leat and Moore have all looked a shaddow of the players that they were last season; when you compare them to the likes of Joey Barton, Ashley Barnes, Scott Arfield etc, is there really that much difference in quality? A lot can be put down to the individual players themselves, but also Dyche's work (cannot stand the man). Furthermore, our signings have been, for the most part, average. Obviously NP only has so much of a say, but Simpson, Upson (a little unfair on him at this stage perhaps) and Albrighton (can't even get a game) have really offered nothing new to our game. Ulloa has brought goals, without which we may be even further adrift, but he's been somewhat of a hinderance in many games this season. If/when we do go down under NP, I think he will be able to stabalise the club again, ala West Brom of a few years back, but promotion within a year or two is not guarenteed by any stretch. We are in a losing habbit and that is very difficult to turn around, we will undoubtly lose the likes of Mahrez and Kramaric, and maybe even someone like Matty James for the right price - but Pearson has shown how astute he can be in the Championship market. However, I'm not hugely convinced he has the tactical knowhow for this division, similar to somebody like Mick Mccarthy in some respects. Clearly the big question is who would replace NP if he were to go. Out of work managers are certainly not particularly exciting and those in work are highly unlikely to be desperate to join a sinking ship. I do however think there are managers out there for the right price, and yes that will always be a gamble. Just look at what Gary Monk has done at Swansea, he was hardly considered the saviour prior to his appointment but has done a very decent job to date.
Oxfordfox83 Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 This x 10000000 his tactical nouse is probably the one of the main if not the reason why we are in this mess - i'd understand if we were getting battered 4-1 every game but we've been narrowly losing games 1-0 2-1 and his inability to see why we need to change system/play has been baffling and the final straw was Sunday for me! Not bringing on Albrighton was a pissing joke Also his obsession with the diamond formation has ultimately cost us in the long run . Sunday aside for a minute, that was definitely up to him. But the rest of the season, we have suffered from what I would consider to be unforeseeable issues: Horrible defensive lapses and back passes Both of Drinkwater's testicles going missing-leaving us a talisman down from last season Knockaert remaining unfit Upson's injury Albrighton's injury Kasper regressing Wes regressing Now, there are definitely many areas that the players share responsibility with NP. Our set pieces are still godawful. But we play beautifully at times, I can't lay the blame for our Jekyll and Hyde season entirely at NP's door, and don't understand how the players are avoiding so much of the criticism. We started the season (throughout the transfer window) like a bat out of hell: Wes and Moore were the new Bould and Adams, Ulloa couldn't miss, Mahrez was set to tear the league up. So recruitment didn't look necessary. We have lost huge numbers of points to stupid individual errors (Schwarzer, Konch, Moore, Wes), and players losing their bottle at crucial times. Pearson shoulders a lot of the blame for the shortcomings of this season, but far from all of it. We are not so shit that it's a write-off: Spurs twice, and Liverpool in the last month alone saw us outplay established teams. This season is not like those under Levein, Hollowhead, McGhee, Taylor where we we regularly outclassed. There is something different missing, but I think the players need to look at themselves hard-they've let NP down as much as he has let us down. Whose players are they? Ours-we're Leicester fans.
ImBlue Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 . Sunday aside for a minute, that was definitely up to him. But the rest of the season, we have suffered from what I would consider to be unforeseeable issues: Horrible defensive lapses and back passes Both of Drinkwater's testicles going missing-leaving us a talisman down from last season Knockaert remaining unfit Upson's injury Albrighton's injury Kasper regressing Wes regressing Now, there are definitely many areas that the players share responsibility with NP. Our set pieces are still godawful. But we play beautifully at times, I can't lay the blame for our Jekyll and Hyde season entirely at NP's door, and don't understand how the players are avoiding so much of the criticism. We started the season (throughout the transfer window) like a bat out of hell: Wes and Moore were the new Bould and Adams, Ulloa couldn't miss, Mahrez was set to tear the league up. So recruitment didn't look necessary. We have lost huge numbers of points to stupid individual errors (Schwarzer, Konch, Moore, Wes), and players losing their bottle at crucial times. Pearson shoulders a lot of the blame for the shortcomings of this season, but far from all of it. We are not so shit that it's a write-off: Spurs twice, and Liverpool in the last month alone saw us outplay established teams. This season is not like those under Levein, Hollowhead, McGhee, Taylor where we we regularly outclassed. There is something different missing, but I think the players need to look at themselves hard-they've let NP down as much as he has let us down. Whose players are they? Ours-we're Leicester fans. Unforeseen that a 37(?) year old defender would have injury issues. I would pick holes in your whole post but can't really be bothered. Upson and albrighton were never going to improve he team but the squad so hardly worth mentioning and quite frankly Pearson just doesn't fancy knockeart, nothing to do with injury. As for not being outclassed, that's debatable. There is a way to manage games and we have no winning mentality. Before all the football you play, you need that to begin with, it's fundamental and we just have a habit of losing games we shouldn't. Not sure how the manager doesn't shoulder all if that? It's his team after all.
hackneyfox Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 He clearly doesn't want to play Knocky or Albrighton when they are fit.
teblin Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 Rowett as a replacement? doesn't look good for brum at the minute. Did a decent job at Burton and has turned Birmingham around with little backing. I know we still have a manager and I can't see our owners going down that route.
5waller5 Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 . Sunday aside for a minute, that was definitely up to him. But the rest of the season, we have suffered from what I would consider to be unforeseeable issues: Horrible defensive lapses and back passes Both of Drinkwater's testicles going missing-leaving us a talisman down from last season Knockaert remaining unfit Upson's injury Albrighton's injury Kasper regressing Wes regressing Now, there are definitely many areas that the players share responsibility with NP. Our set pieces are still godawful. But we play beautifully at times, I can't lay the blame for our Jekyll and Hyde season entirely at NP's door, and don't understand how the players are avoiding so much of the criticism. We started the season (throughout the transfer window) like a bat out of hell: Wes and Moore were the new Bould and Adams, Ulloa couldn't miss, Mahrez was set to tear the league up. So recruitment didn't look necessary. We have lost huge numbers of points to stupid individual errors (Schwarzer, Konch, Moore, Wes), and players losing their bottle at crucial times. Pearson shoulders a lot of the blame for the shortcomings of this season, but far from all of it. We are not so shit that it's a write-off: Spurs twice, and Liverpool in the last month alone saw us outplay established teams. This season is not like those under Levein, Hollowhead, McGhee, Taylor where we we regularly outclassed. There is something different missing, but I think the players need to look at themselves hard-they've let NP down as much as he has let us down. Whose players are they? Ours-we're Leicester fans. I agree with this partially .... but every team that fails will have reasons for that. It's the manager's job to foresee some of those more obvious things and either act first or act quickly when they happen. For me our manager has done neither. The set piece issue is a good one to raise ..... Did you see the free kick that West Brom scored from the week after Pulis joined them??? It was a 4-5 pass move that led to a very nice goal ... that had clearly been practiced lots of times on the training ground. In the whole time NP has been here have you ever seen a set piece that looked like it had been practiced?? I can't think of one!!!
Ricey Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 . Sunday aside for a minute, that was definitely up to him. But the rest of the season, we have suffered from what I would consider to be unforeseeable issues: Horrible defensive lapses and back passes Both of Drinkwater's testicles going missing-leaving us a talisman down from last season Knockaert remaining unfit Upson's injury Albrighton's injury Kasper regressing Wes regressing Now, there are definitely many areas that the players share responsibility with NP. Our set pieces are still godawful. But we play beautifully at times, I can't lay the blame for our Jekyll and Hyde season entirely at NP's door, and don't understand how the players are avoiding so much of the criticism. We started the season (throughout the transfer window) like a bat out of hell: Wes and Moore were the new Bould and Adams, Ulloa couldn't miss, Mahrez was set to tear the league up. So recruitment didn't look necessary. We have lost huge numbers of points to stupid individual errors (Schwarzer, Konch, Moore, Wes), and players losing their bottle at crucial times. Pearson shoulders a lot of the blame for the shortcomings of this season, but far from all of it. We are not so shit that it's a write-off: Spurs twice, and Liverpool in the last month alone saw us outplay established teams. This season is not like those under Levein, Hollowhead, McGhee, Taylor where we we regularly outclassed. There is something different missing, but I think the players need to look at themselves hard-they've let NP down as much as he has let us down. Whose players are they? Ours-we're Leicester fans. I'll give you the first one, we are generally well organised at the back but it's individual mistakes or bad decision-making that's cost us. However... Kasper, Wes, Drinkwater and Knockaert are no worse than they were last season. We all had doubts about them in the summer and no plans were put in place in case these players didn't adapt to the Premier League. Upson's injury can't have been predicted, but he's 35 and has suffered injuries in the past, so it wouldn't have been idiotic to pin our defensive hopes on him. Albrighton hasn't been injured for ages, yet still constantly overlooked. Pearson is to blame for our position. There's been a bit of bad luck thrown in, but he takes the brunt of the blame unfortunately.
S1DDO Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 Hopefully we'll see some 'PEARSON OUT' banners on Sunday.
CosbehFox Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 Hopefully we'll see some 'PEARSON OUT' banners on Sunday. I'm sure that will spur the lads onto a much needed three points.
inckley fox Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 The Pearson Out argument, if it's based on a fundamental dislike of the man, makes little sense. He's achieved a lot, even if it's generally been in line with realistic expectations (promotion from League One, eventually achieving promotion from the second tier - possibly 09-10 is the only season he's achieved above expectations). I see no reason why he shouldn't be viewed very positively for his contribution. But the argument for him to stay has to hinge on an acknowledgement that he's made some big mistakes this year, and that he will need to improve as a manager if we're to achieve our very realistic aims (i.e. to be an established Premier League side in the medium term, if not the short term). There's a sensible argument that, if he shows signs of adapting to the demands of this league by behaving like a man who can cope with the pressure, determining which players are clearly not up to the level, demanding more of his players rather than the constant 'fine margins' / 'total faith' comments, then he should be given a second chance. But the argument is already lost if you claim that: * Pearson is our most successful post-war manager (he isn't) * Every season has been an improvement on the previous one (well, it isn't now) * He's not been able to sign the players he needed (how do we know?) * Sacking or losing managers has always worked out badly for us in the past (it hasn't) * Good fans should back their manager (what, and turn on our most famous past player, who rescued the club just over a decade ago? and does the same argument apply to people who wanted Pleat, Taylor or Holloway out?) * He is learning (results and personal conduct suggest otherwise) * You'd rather go down with him than stay up without him (do you actually support the club?) * This season isn't actually all that bad in the context of our history (it is) * There's no replacement out there (well, there were plenty a couple of months ago and you didn't want them either, and you never know who will do a job for you - who was Pearson when we found him, for instance?) * There's reason to believe he'll become a decent top flight manager in the future (there isn't, not based on what we've seen from him this season). While you are arguing these points, without taking on board that there's a very sensible argument for him to go, then it's impossible to convince anybody that he can take us forward, because your own argument is so obviously flawed and one-sided. We'll just go round in circles for eternity. Just like people who despise Pearson no matter what will automatically lose their argument when we're doing well.
Stevosevic Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 Allardyce unlikely to be offered a new deal by West Ham so will be free in the summer... Probably a name to consider if Pearson does go.
Steven Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 The Pearson Out argument, if it's based on a fundamental dislike of the man, makes little sense. He's achieved a lot, even if it's generally been in line with realistic expectations (promotion from League One, eventually achieving promotion from the second tier - possibly 09-10 is the only season he's achieved above expectations). I see no reason why he shouldn't be viewed very positively for his contribution. But the argument for him to stay has to hinge on an acknowledgement that he's made some big mistakes this year, and that he will need to improve as a manager if we're to achieve our very realistic aims (i.e. to be an established Premier League side in the medium term, if not the short term). There's a sensible argument that, if he shows signs of adapting to the demands of this league by behaving like a man who can cope with the pressure, determining which players are clearly not up to the level, demanding more of his players rather than the constant 'fine margins' / 'total faith' comments, then he should be given a second chance. But the argument is already lost if you claim that: * Pearson is our most successful post-war manager (he isn't) * Every season has been an improvement on the previous one (well, it isn't now) * He's not been able to sign the players he needed (how do we know?) * Sacking or losing managers has always worked out badly for us in the past (it hasn't) * Good fans should back their manager (what, and turn on our most famous past player, who rescued the club just over a decade ago? and does the same argument apply to people who wanted Pleat, Taylor or Holloway out?) * He is learning (results and personal conduct suggest otherwise) * You'd rather go down with him than stay up without him (do you actually support the club?) * This season isn't actually all that bad in the context of our history (it is) * There's no replacement out there (well, there were plenty a couple of months ago and you didn't want them either, and you never know who will do a job for you - who was Pearson when we found him, for instance?) * There's reason to believe he'll become a decent top flight manager in the future (there isn't, not based on what we've seen from him this season). While you are arguing these points, without taking on board that there's a very sensible argument for him to go, then it's impossible to convince anybody that he can take us forward, because your own argument is so obviously flawed and one-sided. We'll just go round in circles for eternity. Just like people who despise Pearson no matter what will automatically lose their argument when we're doing well. A very sensible post, which means you should be banned.
HankMarvin Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 Warburton to leave the Brentford at the end of the season If Brentford got promoted surely his achievements as manager would outshine smug bollocks
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