Guest Col city fan Posted 23 December 2014 Posted 23 December 2014 Villa could have won that game 6-1. They were all over us for most of the game.I agree. I always look at the possession stats..shots on target, shots off target etc.I know this isn't always the true picture (just look at Liverpool v Arsenal), but I tell you what, it's very often a great indicator when in-match betting. The stats of us V Villa were revealing to say the least and again demonstrated how under pressure we were as a team. Incidentally, exactly the same v QPR. A massively open game where our midfield was bypassed time after time after time. Schmeichel, the most recent scapegoat was sensational v Villa. Without his performance, it literally could have been 6/7.
Guest Col city fan Posted 23 December 2014 Posted 23 December 2014 We'll have to agree to disagree, because I thought the game at our place will be the easiest game Man City have had all season. You could look at their game against Palace on Saturday, see they won 3-0 and that may appear as though it was more comfortable than the 1-0 win here. Not the case. Palace had a goal disallowed, plenty of shots on target and plenty of possession. I dont remember us even having one shot on target as you mention above? We had that flaoty header from about 15 yards out that Joe Hart caught. That's the only one on target I remember. They beat us easily, and didn't have to play well to do so. We were never in it, never looked like scoring. Games where teams have comfortably won in my opinion: Liverpool Man City Swansea Southampton Villa Where we deserved something: QPR WBA - still convinced our best starting 11 eg width would have won this game easily. WBA are the worst side I've seen this season. As I stated earlier, I can't understand our inability to even snatch a draw here and there. We just lose every game pretty much, and it annoys me that our supporters are accepting it and suggesting it is fine margins and that we arent far off. We are miles off in my opinion. Spot on. And if you want to look at a side that IS able to get a draw...look at Sunderland. Yes, I'm banging on again, but its true. And these draws will be CRUCIAL at the end of the season
Dickov22 Posted 23 December 2014 Posted 23 December 2014 I agree. I always look at the possession stats..shots on target, shots off target etc. I know this isn't always the true picture (just look at Liverpool v Arsenal), but I tell you what, it's very often a great indicator when in-match betting. The stats of us V Villa were revealing to say the least and again demonstrated how under pressure we were as a team. Incidentally, exactly the same v QPR. A massively open game where our midfield was bypassed time after time after time. Schmeichel, the most recent scapegoat was sensational v Villa. Without his performance, it literally could have been 6/7. I was at the game and it wasnt until I watched it back on MOTD 2 that I realised just how many chances Villa had. We were pretty poor that day and yes, Kasper saved us on numerous occassions.
Hirsty The Blue 94 Posted 23 December 2014 Posted 23 December 2014 When it happens occasionally, I agree there's no real reason to worry - but it's happening nearly every game. Our defence will either collectively switch off or one of them will absolutely gift a goal away. It's far too regular an occurrence. Defence is only part of the problem, but it's the biggest one. Our lack of ideas when behind is pitiful. We rely on teams making mistakes that only sides like us or QPR will make. We don't have enough quality to collectively open teams up with quality like others can do. Because Brown, O'Shea and Shackell. are better than Morgan and Wasilewski. When our midfield stop being bypassed and they're given some freedom to create, then they will start delivering more, we will create more and score more goals, relieving pressure off the defence in the first place. The Midfield are hardly being bypassed, more like they are shying away from the ball. Simply look at any time we have the ball in the full back areas there is very little opportunity to funderstand a centre midfielders feet other than Cambiasso. Equally look when we have a throw in, we launch it down the line because the midfielders are not comfortable coming to collect it. Danny Murphy made a great point on Match of the Day in times of trouble players have to be brave, not in the sense of flying into tackles but trust their own ability. At the minute players such as Drinkwater, James and King aren't doing that, meaning the defence are always likely to make mistakes.
cjslcfc Posted 23 December 2014 Posted 23 December 2014 Spot on. And if you want to look at a side that IS able to get a draw...look at Sunderland. Yes, I'm banging on again, but its true. And these draws will be CRUCIAL at the end of the season Col, weren't you saying our performance vs. Man City was good and that you were sick of people saying "didn't have to get out of second gear?" as well???!!! I agree about all that's being said on the Villa game though. They had a fair few chances.
5waller5 Posted 23 December 2014 Posted 23 December 2014 I don't think it matters much if teams are 'coasting us' or not. It seems a bit of a non-argument. The fact remains we don't defend well as a team, we don't attack well as a team, some of our stats make for abysmal reading and we are bottom with an embarrassing number of points from the last 12 games. End of... I give Nigel two games to get at least one win. Lose the next two, and all the excuses in the world, cos that's really what they are, will no longer wash with me. Personally i gave him 3 games 3 games ago .... Now we need to change or it won't be worthwhile - another two losses and we'll already be behind the curve in the transfer window too. Got to give the new man 2 games to assess the squad and get the whole transfer window to operate in. Otherwise we may as well stick with NP for the season, which will mean relegation .... and if we do that then we may as well stick with until next xmas at least.
Dickov22 Posted 23 December 2014 Posted 23 December 2014 Personally i gave him 3 games 3 games ago .... Now we need to change or it won't be worthwhile - another two losses and we'll already be behind the curve in the transfer window too. Got to give the new man 2 games to assess the squad and get the whole transfer window to operate in. Otherwise we may as well stick with NP for the season, which will mean relegation .... and if we do that then we may as well stick with until next xmas at least. I would be astounded if we sacked him now. The time to do it would have been a couple of weeks ago. He's going nowhere, and I'd love him to prove a lot of people wrong.
5waller5 Posted 23 December 2014 Posted 23 December 2014 I would be astounded if we sacked him now. The time to do it would have been a couple of weeks ago. He's going nowhere, and I'd love him to prove a lot of people wrong. I think it would have been best 2 weeks ago too .... it's still possible now..... and still possible on 27th / 28th December if we don't have a boxing day win ..... but that's a bit too late, and doesn't give a new man too much chance. I am becoming resigned to having NP as manager till next Christmas .... and if that's the case then I hope he succeeds massively and enjoys sticking two fingers up to his doubters!!!! (me included!).
Fox92 Posted 23 December 2014 Posted 23 December 2014 I think it would have been best 2 weeks ago too .... it's still possible now..... and still possible on 27th / 28th December if we don't have a boxing day win ..... but that's a bit too late, and doesn't give a new man too much chance. I am becoming resigned to having NP as manager till next Christmas .... and if that's the case then I hope he succeeds massively and enjoys sticking two fingers up to his doubters!!!! (me included!). I can't see us winning boxing day, and the thing is Hull are away at Sunderland. It is possible for them to get something there although I know they are as bad as us right now. Not even trying to think about a defeat at Hull, man that game is massive.
cjslcfc Posted 23 December 2014 Posted 23 December 2014 I can't see us winning boxing day, and the thing is Hull are away at Sunderland. It is possible for them to get something there although I know they are as bad as us right now. Not even trying to think about a defeat at Hull, man that game is massive. I will probably cry is we lose to Hull.
BigMicky Posted 23 December 2014 Posted 23 December 2014 I was at the game and it wasnt until I watched it back on MOTD 2 that I realised just how many chances Villa had. We were pretty poor that day and yes, Kasper saved us on numerous occassions. But you fail to remember Nugent's effort...
Dickov22 Posted 23 December 2014 Posted 23 December 2014 But you fail to remember Nugent's effort... No not at all. Great effort that was and I thought he did enough personally to earn a recall to the team. It was the Man City game where I am suggesting we didnt have a single shot on target.
Guest Col city fan Posted 23 December 2014 Posted 23 December 2014 Col, weren't you saying our performance vs. Man City was good and that you were sick of people saying "didn't have to get out of second gear?" as well???!!! I agree about all that's being said on the Villa game though. They had a fair few chances. Yes i did, and it was? I've not been referring to the Man City game mate. We looked much more solid.
5waller5 Posted 23 December 2014 Posted 23 December 2014 I can't see us winning boxing day, and the thing is Hull are away at Sunderland. It is possible for them to get something there although I know they are as bad as us right now. Not even trying to think about a defeat at Hull, man that game is massive. That really is a six pointer!!!
BigMicky Posted 23 December 2014 Posted 23 December 2014 No not at all. Great effort that was and I thought he did enough personally to earn a recall to the team. It was the Man City game where I am suggesting we didnt have a single shot on target. You said we could have lost 6-1. We could have drawn 2-2. Which puts it in a totally different light.
Dickov22 Posted 23 December 2014 Posted 23 December 2014 You said we could have lost 6-1. We could have drawn 2-2. Which puts it in a totally different light. 6-2 then I can't see us winning boxing day, and the thing is Hull are away at Sunderland. It is possible for them to get something there although I know they are as bad as us right now. Not even trying to think about a defeat at Hull, man that game is massive. Strangely I can see us beating Spurs. Surely this run can't last forever!
Guest Col city fan Posted 23 December 2014 Posted 23 December 2014 6-2 then Strangely I can see us beating Spurs. Surely this run can't last forever! So can I. Spurs can be shite and based on the amount of money they've spent over the years are massive under-achievers
Dickov22 Posted 23 December 2014 Posted 23 December 2014 So can I. Spurs can be shite and based on the amount of money they've spent over the years are massive under-achievers Plus they've just (I think) won 3 straight games for the first time in ages. They're due a defeat. We just need to get at them early, a bit of luck, and some bloody concentration in our back 4.
Guest Col city fan Posted 23 December 2014 Posted 23 December 2014 Plus they've just (I think) won 3 straight games for the first time in ages. They're due a defeat. We just need to get at them early, a bit of luck, and some bloody concentration in our back 4.If we control the middle, hit them with pace and get into them..don't give them ANY time on the ball..we'll win.It must be a tough, high tempo effort. Let them play, they'll hurt us. The Spurs lads are talented pussies. They don't 'like it up em'. Get into them, fook em up..springs to mind. I am convinced that if we play this way, we can win. So much so, I'm waiting until I see our team and formation, before I bet either way.
cjslcfc Posted 23 December 2014 Posted 23 December 2014 Yes i did, and it was? I've not been referring to the Man City game mate. We looked much more solid. Dickov was referring to that one. Anyway, it doesn't really matter. I just don't like the "didn't get out of second gear" argument. With regard to Spurs, they're a side who are known to throw in a shit performance every now and again. Hopefully Friday is that day and we can take advantage. If we can take a win into the Hull game it will be absolutely massive. It's certainly not beyond the realms of possibility whatsoever. Get in their faces. Play a fast aggressive game and they tend to crumble. May have to rethink the team I'd choose.
Bettsj2 Posted 23 December 2014 Posted 23 December 2014 I would be astounded if we sacked him now. The time to do it would have been a couple of weeks ago. He's going nowhere, and I'd love him to prove a lot of people wrong. Trust me, every single person who has called for his head would love to be proved wrong. If its gonna happen though, it needs to start on Boxing day. the christmas/new year period is where you can either get yourself in a good position to stay up, or be cut adrift with no hope at all. The term 'must win' gets banded about quite a bit but I think it absolutely counts for the spurs game.
Foxey id Posted 23 December 2014 Posted 23 December 2014 So can I. Spurs can be shite and based on the amount of money they've spent over the years are massive under-achievers Net spend City have spent more
hackneyfox Posted 23 December 2014 Posted 23 December 2014 We do have a shite defence and they are given very little protection by the midfield in front of it.
Dan Posted 23 December 2014 Posted 23 December 2014 The thing I can't get is that if we're so bad all over the pitch, why don't we get absolutely battered? I literally cannot get my head around Leicester this season.
lcfcbobby Posted 23 December 2014 Posted 23 December 2014 I disagree I think if Pearson goes we will be in a lot of trouble!!!! We have been playing good football just need to sort out how to defend against corners and free kicks!!! we will score in games but if you don't concede goals you cant loose games!!!!
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