That has to be it. Pearson needs to go.

[Fox92]

I can't believe anyone is still talking about survival?

 

Even though we're poor at the minute and I cannot see where the next win is coming from, survival is still very much possible.

[v6rat]

 

Personally, I don't think relegation would be a "disaster" for our owners. So far, all they've said is that they wanted to reach the Premier League (which the club has achieved) and establish Leicester City on that level in the long run.

The Thai owners bought Leicester City for one reason only, to make money, not because they are life long City fans.

To make the type of money that they believed was possible, they had to get Leicester into the Premiership. They have invested accordingly and made that happen. Now they need to stay there, so I'm sure they will continue to invest in the team.

It's not just the Premier league money that they consider, it's the earning potential in Asia that a well established Premiership side can provide.

Nobody is interested in Championship football in Asia, they don't even recognise that Leicester City are owned by Thai people. This statement is based on my travels to Asia, especially Thailand, over the last 14 Years. The Premiership attracts greater support and viewing fans than any other major league in the world, that is why Leicester has to remain a Premiership side.

[Fox92]

The Thai owners bought Leicester City for one reason only, to make money, not because they are life long City fans.

To make the type of money that they believed was possible, they had to get Leicester into the Premiership. They have invested accordingly and made that happen. Now they need to stay there, so I'm sure they will continue to invest in the team.

It's not just the Premier league money that they consider, it's the earning potential in Asia that a well established Premiership side can provide.

Nobody is interested in Championship football in Asia, they don't even recognise that Leicester City are owned by Thai people. This statement is based on my travels to Asia, especially Thailand, over the last 14 Years. The Premiership attracts greater support and viewing fans than any other major league in the world, that is why Leicester has to remain a Premiership side.

 

Exactly. They won't want relegation, we'll just be taking two steps back again, which is why it will be interesting to see what happens should we remain in this position. People forget it's the club run in accordance with their business. Not only do they want Premier League football in Asia, but they want their business recognized in Europe and the best way is via Leicester City remaining a PL club.

[inckley fox]

At the present moment, I don't see particularly high earners in this squad. Parachute payment is softening the blow in case of relegation, which means we'd be able to keep the core of the squad together (we have a young and talented nucleus) and even strengthen it with more talent/experience along the way.

 

I agree that we'd be likely to keep the nucleus of our squad together, but this 'young and talented' business is far from certain. If you look at our line-ups, most of the average ages have been higher than the opposition we've played against.

 

Who, exactly, are our 'young and hungry' players? Knockaert at 23? No. Mahrez at 24? King at 26? De Laet at 26? Wood at 23? Drinkwater at 25? Albrighton at 24? James at 23?

 

The only real youth prospects are a couple of 21/22 year-olds (most notably Moore and Schlupp, though almost everyone seems to hate Schlupp for some odd reason), Lawrence and several other players who've never had a game.

 

But the fact that Mahrez is the subject of speculation regarding a 5m+ transfer is a useful reminder that buying young has to be the way forward for a club of our stature. I don't think our most experienced PL players (specifically Nugent and Konchesky) have been assets this season, in fact they've been among those who have most let us down. In truth, the closest we've had to a star has been our least experienced player - Mahrez.

 

That's not to underestimate the usefulness of a wise head, but there's a widespread assumption that you need a huge amount of experience at this level, something which should have been blown out of the water for us back in 2002 and 2004. And in 1996, when we had precious little top level experience.

 

After all, Konchesky is a 33 year old who appears to have all the wisdom and maturity of a youth team product.

 

I'd never argue that we should give the season up for dead. But if we're saying we should sign Defoe and go for broke, then I'd argue we should have been appointing Pulis ages ago.

 

If we're going to stick with Nige we must about our long-term future. Our transfer policy should reflect that. Because if we go down, with eight players (four or five of which are regulars) out of contract in the summer, then the restructuring will knock us for six. If we begin to build for the years ahead in January, then the club will keep moving forward.

 

I suppose, in a handful of words, what I'm saying is that we'd be better off going for the likes of Ings, than the likes of Defoe.

 

Some of you may remember Freund, Dabizas and Guppy too! The last time we sought quick-fixes it all went horrifically wrong for us. And we can't keep saying 'but our side is so young', because it isn't.

[MC Prussian]

The Thai owners bought Leicester City for one reason only, to make money, not because they are life long City fans.

To make the type of money that they believed was possible, they had to get Leicester into the Premiership. They have invested accordingly and made that happen. Now they need to stay there, so I'm sure they will continue to invest in the team.

It's not just the Premier league money that they consider, it's the earning potential in Asia that a well established Premiership side can provide.

Nobody is interested in Championship football in Asia, they don't even recognise that Leicester City are owned by Thai people. This statement is based on my travels to Asia, especially Thailand, over the last 14 Years. The Premiership attracts greater support and viewing fans than any other major league in the world, that is why Leicester has to remain a Premiership side.

That's hardly difficult, is it? Given the fact that the Thai consortium has been in charge for roughly three to four years now.

 

I'm all good with investment, but you see, unless you're into venture capital or the quick buck, investors tend to be on the cautious side and are well aware of the risk of overspending. They're keeping a good eye on the ROI this season, also keeping in mind that they've yet to learn how the verdict is in terms of FFP punishment (if there is one at all). So, I can imagine that being the reason for them to be reluctant to splash the cash at the moment.

 

Any smart and realistic business plan is laid out over the course of at least three years, five years are the regular benchmark. We're now in Year One upon promotion. That leaves the owners with two to four more years to make it all happen. If you think they'd be able to turn this club into a cash cow overnight, you're sadly mistaken.

 

Again, an important ingredient in this regard is... patience.

[MC Prussian]

I agree that we'd be likely to keep the nucleus of our squad together, but this 'young and talented' business is far from certain. If you look at our line-ups, most of the average ages have been higher than the opposition we've played against.

 

Who, exactly, are our 'young and hungry' players? Knockaert at 23? No. Mahrez at 24? King at 26? De Laet at 26? Wood at 23? Drinkwater at 25? Albrighton at 24? James at 23?

 

The only real youth prospects are a couple of 21/22 year-olds (most notably Moore and Schlupp, though almost everyone seems to hate Schlupp for some odd reason), Lawrence and several other players who've never had a game.

 

But the fact that Mahrez is the subject of speculation regarding a 5m+ transfer is a useful reminder that buying young has to be the way forward for a club of our stature. I don't think our most experienced PL players (specifically Nugent and Konchesky) have been assets this season, in fact they've been among those who have most let us down. In truth, the closest we've had to a star has been our least experienced player - Mahrez.

 

That's not to underestimate the usefulness of a wise head, but there's a widespread assumption that you need a huge amount of experience at this level, something which should have been blown out of the water for us back in 2002 and 2004. And in 1996, when we had precious little top level experience.

 

After all, Konchesky is a 33 year old who appears to have all the wisdom and maturity of a youth team product.

 

I'd never argue that we should give the season up for dead. But if we're saying we should sign Defoe and go for broke, then I'd argue we should have been appointing Pulis ages ago.

 

If we're going to stick with Nige we must about our long-term future. Our transfer policy should reflect that. Because if we go down, with eight players (four or five of which are regulars) out of contract in the summer, then the restructuring will knock us for six. If we begin to build for the years ahead in January, then the club will keep moving forward.

 

I suppose, in a handful of words, what I'm saying is that we'd be better off going for the likes of Ings, than the likes of Defoe.

 

Some of you may remember Freund, Dabizas and Guppy too! The last time we sought quick-fixes it all went horrifically wrong for us. And we can't keep saying 'but our side is so young', because it isn't.

I don't know about you, but a squad with an average age of around 25 is widely considered to be "young". Relatively speaking, the differences to other teams with a younger average age are minimal (25 point something to 24 point something, for instance).

 

We're going round in circles here. Of course, I do see the lack of experience. But we can only speculate why we didn't sign another experienced PL player in the summer - was it only because Pearson wanted to "have faith in the squad that got us promoted"? Or is it down to monetary reasons/concerns?

It's also unfortunate that Upson has been sidelined for so long, I guess he could've made a huge difference during our first 17 games back in the top flight.

 

The last time we went for experience under Adams, it didn't backfire because they were experienced, it backfired because we had so many older players on the pitch at once that they'd run out of stamina by the 75-minute mark. And that cost us dearly with late goals against.

 

Coming to a closure, may I add that you didn't really respond to my post at all? Seems like you went off the rails a bit there with your post.

[Dr The Singh]

I don't know about you, but a squad with an average age of around 25 is widely considered to be "young". Relatively speaking, the differences to other teams with a younger average age are minimal (25 point something to 24 point something, for instance).

We're going round in circles here. Of course, I do see the lack of experience. But we can only speculate why we didn't sign another experienced PL player in the summer - was it only because Pearson wanted to "have faith in the squad that got us promoted"? Or is it down to monetary reasons/concerns?

It's also unfortunate that Upson has been sidelined for so long, I guess he could've made a huge difference during our first 17 games back in the top flight.

The last time we went for experience under Adams, it didn't backfire because they were experienced, it backfired because we had so many older players on the pitch at once that they'd run out of stamina by the 75-minute mark. And that cost us dearly with late goals against.

Coming to a closure, may I add that you didn't really respond to my post at all? Seems like you went off the rails a bit there with your post.

It's a shit squad. Full stop

[Dr The Singh]

It's a shit squad. Full stop

No fooking prem manager is interested in our players, then champoinship is where they belmg

[Izzet is God]

I wouldn't say that most fans have 'given up' as suggested in previous posts...I would merely argue that they are looking at the facts. 

 

We are bottom at Christmas having played many of the teams who are around us and failed to win points against them. Not only this but whilst some performances have been encouraging we don't honestly look as though we are going to score in the majority of games. Whilst people are saying you can't blame the manager for the performances of the players, most are arguing we aren't actually playing poorly (I am not one of those fans). If that is the case then the responsibility lies with the naivety of the manager for not having the tactical know-how to change a game and have differing options.

 

Also we all know Pearson is a highly self-opinionated manager who will follow his own ideas and no-one else's. He gets annoyed with media when fans/journalists and the like suggest alternatives and always comments that he won't be rushed into doing things for the sake of them. This is also echoed in his transfer policies. Whilst we all know that clubs have many staff involved in transfers, the manager will still have a large part to play in who he wants at the club. Our signings in the summer showed the lack of ambition Pearson has. He will not go out and spend big in January. He may bring in 1 or 2 but these will be either championship players or old 'experienced' players who have rarely played. This will also be because no-one will want to join a struggling Prem side who are bottom after only being back in the top flight after 10 years absence.

 

Overall, I think we are all looking at the facts and I for one, agree that Pearson has to go if we are to make a real fight for survival. This is purely based on the above. I thank the man for last season but still remember the win-less streak when we just managed to sneak in the play-offs after losing to P'boro 2-1 away when we we 2nd!

Yes he has achieved good things for our club, but if we are to continue on moving forward I just don't think he is the man to take us there.

[MC Prussian]

I wouldn't say that most fans have 'given up' as suggested in previous posts...I would merely argue that they are looking at the facts. 

 

We are bottom at Christmas having played many of the teams who are around us and failed to win points against them. Not only this but whilst some performances have been encouraging we don't honestly look as though we are going to score in the majority of games. Whilst people are saying you can't blame the manager for the performances of the players, most are arguing we aren't actually playing poorly (I am not one of those fans). If that is the case then the responsibility lies with the naivety of the manager for not having the tactical know-how to change a game and have differing options.

 

Also we all know Pearson is a highly self-opinionated manager who will follow his own ideas and no-one else's. He gets annoyed with media when fans/journalists and the like suggest alternatives and always comments that he won't be rushed into doing things for the sake of them. This is also echoed in his transfer policies. Whilst we all know that clubs have many staff involved in transfers, the manager will still have a large part to play in who he wants at the club. Our signings in the summer showed the lack of ambition Pearson has. He will not go out and spend big in January. He may bring in 1 or 2 but these will be either championship players or old 'experienced' players who have rarely played. This will also be because no-one will want to join a struggling Prem side who are bottom after only being back in the top flight after 10 years absence.

 

Overall, I think we are all looking at the facts and I for one, agree that Pearson has to go if we are to make a real fight for survival. This is purely based on the above. I thank the man for last season but still remember the win-less streak when we just managed to sneak in the play-offs after losing to P'boro 2-1 away when we we 2nd!

Yes he has achieved good things for our club, but if we are to continue on moving forward I just don't think he is the man to take us there.

The "lack of tactical know-how" you're referring to is in parts down to Pearson's inexperience in this division, there's a learning curve for everybody involved. Because, let's face it: Hardly anyone within this squad or as part of the management team possesses vast Premier League experience.

 

As for Pearson being "highly self-opiniated" - none of us knows how he really is. You base your picture of him on his media appearances, yet the people working closely with him describe him entirely differently. Fans and so-called journalists (like match commentator and radio show host Ian Stringer) have indeed no say in the matter whom to field during a game, never had and are unlikely to ever have in the near or distant future.

 

That our lack of signings in the summer could also down to financial constraints or the work of other people within the club, conveniently flies by your head.

We may not be an attractive proposition for new signings at the present moment, but then again, at least a third in the Premier League (all the clubs near the bottom of the table) are in a similar position.

[Guest Col city fan]

The "lack of tactical know-how" you're referring to is in parts down to Pearson's inexperience in this division, there's a learning curve for everybody involved. Because, let's face it: Hardly anyone within this squad or as part of the management team possesses vast Premier League experience.

As for Pearson being "highly self-opiniated" - none of us knows how he really is. You base your picture of him on his media appearances, yet the people working closely with him describe him entirely differently. Fans and so-called journalists (like match commentator and radio show host Ian Stringer) have indeed no say in the matter whom to field during a game, never had and are unlikely to ever have in the near or distant future.

That our lack of signings in the summer could also down to financial constraints or the work of other people within the club, conveniently flies by your head.

We may not be an attractive proposition for new signings at the present moment, but then again, at least a third in the Premier League (all the clubs near the bottom of the table) are in a similar position.

You keep going on about this 'learning curve'. When do we start hitting the top of the curve? In March?

Can't you see that being in the Premiership is about learning QUICKLY?

Lose the next two and I tell you what, it could realistically be very very hard to turn around.

The Premiership is ruthless.

[Mark_w]

You keep going on about this 'learning curve'. When do we start hitting the top of the curve? In March?

Can't you see that being in the Premiership is about learning QUICKLY?

Lose the next two and I tell you what, it could realistically be very very hard to turn around.

The Premiership is ruthless.

 

'Lose the next two and'. Win the next two and we're in okay shape. Can we not wait to see what happens in the next two games before using them to slate the manager? It's Christmas.

[MC Prussian]

You keep going on about this 'learning curve'. When do we start hitting the top of the curve? In March?

Can't you see that being in the Premiership is about learning QUICKLY?

Lose the next two and I tell you what, it could realistically be very very hard to turn around.

The Premiership is ruthless.

I see about a handful of others teams in this division struggling as much as we do and they've been in the Premier League for a couple of years straight.

Where's their learning curve, you may ask?

 

Well, maybe it's not that easy even for more established sides.

Yeah, the Premiership is ruthless - in particular, when all the negativity comes afloating from people who hardly ever make themselves heard during the good times.

[Guest Col city fan]

'Lose the next two and'. Win the next two and we're in okay shape. Can we not wait to see what happens in the next two games before using them to slate the manager? It's Christmas.

I agree. Win em and its looking much better. I've said I think we'll win tomorrow as it happens. If we hit em with high tempo.

Here's hoping...

I was commenting on MC's fictitious 'learning curve'..

[tickler28]

Pearson if you read this (which I highly doubt you do since you are an arrogant ****) please please please admit defeat and do the honorable thing and leave

[Arriba Los Zorros]

Pearson if you read this (which I highly doubt you do since you are an arrogant ****) please please please admit defeat and do the honorable thing and leave

Pearson if you're reading this, not all of us are as short-term reactionary as this tool here

[Rasmic123]

Pearson if you read this (which I highly doubt you do since you are an arrogant ****) please please please admit defeat and do the honorable thing and leave

fucck off back to france

[5waller5]

Pearson if you're reading this, not all of us are as short-term reactionary as this tool here

 

 

Short term???

 

13 games and 2 points???

 

That's a 1/3rd of a season without a win. 

 

37 of 39 points dropped.

 

It's not short term anymore.

[Zed4q]

I still stand by Pearson. Its a tough league but i cant see someone coming in and changing things drastically with the very limited funds we have. He got us to this position and he's the best person who knows the players and there strengths

[ronnup]

I honestly don't see a different manager getting much better results with these players. They deserved a chance after romping the league last year. We were all guilty of thinking they'd manahe much beter. They haven't.

[Arriba Los Zorros]

Short term???

 

13 games and 2 points???

 

That's a 1/3rd of a season without a win. 

 

37 of 39 points dropped.

 

It's not short term anymore.

It's massively short-term, it's ruining our clubs future over the next 4-5 years for the sake of this season.

 

Plus if you want to be short-term about it, who is going to coax a better performance out of these players than NP just did today? Very few if any managers that are realistically available that's who.

[old koppite]

I honestly don't see a different manager getting much better results with these players. They deserved a chance after romping the league last year. We were all guilty of thinking they'd manahe much beter. They haven't.

I do. I really want NP to turn it round but think its a fate thing.... X file stuff! New management will give us fresh impetus.

[Webbo]

We have a game on Sunday, no point changing before then, if that result goes against us I really think his position is untenable.

[foxsake123]

He was very downbeat on 5 Live just now ...

Oh poor Nige.

[Bob Weasel Fox]

We have a game on Sunday, no point changing before then, if that result goes against us I really think his position is untenable.

Probably this in fairness