Dickov22 Posted 27 April 2015 Posted 27 April 2015 Vardy wasn't his usual hustling, bustling annoying defenders self on Saturday at Burnley. I don't think he's fit so I think he'll have a rest on Wednesday, which is a shame. Mind you, imagine how fired up Kramaric will be if he gets a start.
Sooper Steve's shin Posted 27 April 2015 Posted 27 April 2015 Despite all having their knockers (wahey!), I think the quartet of Nugent, Vardy, Kramaric and Ulloa is a pretty decent set of strikers. Most of the bottom half of the Prem would probably swap that group for their own.
pSinatra Posted 27 April 2015 Posted 27 April 2015 I'd take 5 million now. I wouldn't have at the start of the season, but Vardy has not scored enough goals. Take the 5, get Kramaric playing and use the 5 on a winger. We'd get McManaman for 5 plus change Yes I think this probably has some meat on the bones. The forum this season has been incredible for slagging off so many of our own players on a pretty consistent basis. Classic
Haydos Posted 27 April 2015 Posted 27 April 2015 Classic Tbf on this occasion that's not really slagging off. £5m probably would have been a decent price for him at the time. I still think in context (Prem money/he's on relatively low wages/not needing to sell) anything under £8m (what we paid for Ulloa) would have been a poor sale. He was out of form but personally I always like to see players given 2 seasons to prove their worth, especially at a new level.
pSinatra Posted 27 April 2015 Posted 27 April 2015 Tbf on this occasion that's not really slagging off. £5m probably would have been a decent price for him at the time. I still think in context (Prem money/he's on relatively low wages/not needing to sell) anything under £8m (what we paid for Ulloa) would have been a poor sale. He was out of form but personally I always like to see players given 2 seasons to prove their worth, especially at a new level. I know it's not exactly a 'slagging' but written off certainly. Would we be in a better position with McManaman & a few quid in change? We all saw how long it took for Vardy to acclimatise when he arrived & prefer your approach of giving someone the time to adapt.
MPH Posted 27 April 2015 Posted 27 April 2015 You must take into account his assists and his constant danger. For me the POTS is the one who gets us the wins or prevents the losses when we are having a bad season. Being the best player when we play poorly is not a great situation in my opinion. For me, Cambiassos leadership skills... his head never going down and his overall positive influence has helped to bring us out of the rut. Then not to mention his skill. Vardy went missing for a large part of this season. Didnt play for a long time too.. He's an absolute beast right now but he just hasnt been consistent enough for me....
Manwell Pablo Posted 27 April 2015 Posted 27 April 2015 Tbf on this occasion that's not really slagging off. £5m probably would have been a decent price for him at the time. I still think in context (Prem money/he's on relatively low wages/not needing to sell) anything under £8m (what we paid for Ulloa) would have been a poor sale. He was out of form but personally I always like to see players given 2 seasons to prove their worth, especially at a new level. It's not bad now if you ask me. 4 goals in 29, more than one in seven games, and he's 28. Just another classic case of short termism and a player hitting a bit of form being more relevant than the bigger picture on here. Don't get me wrong he's scored some important goals recently but had he done his job a bit better in the previous 7 odd months between Man U and West Ham (the comment about him being 7/10 most weeks is just funny btw all he did was literalyl kick defenders, run around and miss chances for months one end) and scored another 3 - 5 goals in earlier on in the season we would be in a better position now without the requirement of having to win four straight games just to get us ourselves out of the shit.
Guest Col city fan Posted 27 April 2015 Posted 27 April 2015 Classic How on earth is that 'slagging off'?You and I have a very different view on what such a term constitutes. I suggest you go back to school son and learn the Queens English.
Haydos Posted 27 April 2015 Posted 27 April 2015 It's not bad now if you ask me. 4 goals in 29, more than one in seven games, and he's 28. Just another classic case of short termism and a player hitting a bit of form being more relevant than the bigger picture on here. Don't get me wrong he's scored some important goals recently but had he done his job a bit better in the previous 7 odd months between Man U and West Ham (the comment about him being 7/10 most weeks is just funny btw all he did was literalyl kick defenders, run around and miss chances for months one end) and scored another 3 - 5 goals in earlier on in the season we would be in a better position now without the requirement of having to win four straight games just to get us ourselves out of the shit. People say this kind of thing but I think it's over-simplistic and borderline naive. He is worth more than £5m to us. Unless we could replace him with someone much better yet with the same work ethic then it's not value for us. Like it's been repeated, for a weaker side, having players like him in the squad is very important. Just bringing in someone better (ie. Kramaric) doesn't lead to more success, football doesn't work that way. We have a team of a certain ability, set up to play a certain way and you need players to compliment that unless you are going to improve a big percentage of the overall squad. Vardy is a good squad player to have, even when he's out of form and not scoring goals. I don't think many would argue that he is/was a better goalscorer than Defoe but I know who I'd take in a relegation battle every single time. If we were midtable and he was in similar form I'd probably be tempted to say 'get rid' but we're not and I'm not.
ADK Posted 27 April 2015 Posted 27 April 2015 Saying Vardy is in the running for POTS is just an example of being heavily biased towards recent form and results. We will see where the match ratings place the various players but I would imagine Robert Huth is likely to win with Esteban second.
Manwell Pablo Posted 27 April 2015 Posted 27 April 2015 People say this kind of thing but I think it's over-simplistic and borderline naive. He is worth more than £5m to us. Unless we could replace him with someone much better yet with the same work ethic then it's not value for us. Like it's been repeated, for a weaker side, having players like him in the squad is very important. Just bringing in someone better (ie. Kramaric) doesn't lead to more success, football doesn't work that way. We have a team of a certain ability, set up to play a certain way and you need players to compliment that unless you are going to improve a big percentage of the overall squad. Vardy is a good squad player to have, even when he's out of form and not scoring goals. I don't think many would argue that he is/was a better goalscorer than Defoe but I know who I'd take in a relegation battle every single time. If we were midtable and he was in similar form I'd probably be tempted to say 'get rid' but we're not and I'm not. I don't think so at all, I think it'd be quite easy to pick someone up with his qualities for 5 million if you spend it right and I'd argue that is infact over simplistic and naive to think another player could not of added more value to the team than Jamie Vardy has just because he's got three goals at albeit very important times. But that's just me. How much do people realistically think a 4 goal a season striker is worth? 10 or 20 million? I understand there has been a serious inflation in football but surely West Broms market valuation of him isn't far off? No his recent goals are worth more than five million to us but the are not goals that could of come from another source. We have struggled this season and I'd view some of his performances (and team performances when he has played) as a part of that. Jamie Vardy has not been a good player to have in our squad when he was out of form and not scoring goals. In fact, he was infuriating, very happy he has found some form along with plenty of others. Don't get me wrong I understand why Pearson has retained him and fully expected Pearson to retain him, he's a part of Pearsons setup and he see's value in his strengths and therefore continues to pick him and now he is a fans hero because he's scored a few goals which is all great we are all happy. My point is the idea that 5 million pounds really isn't that far off what most would consider his market value so I don't get why saying that is a reason for ridicule. I say again, how much do people realistically think he is worth?
RedSoxUK Posted 27 April 2015 Posted 27 April 2015 Was important signing Vardy up to a longer contract in the pre-season, and I think over the course of the season he's paid for it. And his goal scoring record isn't that bad for relegation fodder. When you take into account he's been utilised as a winger for much of the season, his goal scoring and assists really does look respectable for a striker of his mindset. And that's without even considering the hard work he puts in closing down defenders and goalkeepers, winning the ball and chasing it everywhere - Falcao and Welbeck both have 4 goals, and although haven't had as much playing time, they're played as out and out strikers in very attacking teams - Nugent has been used similarly to Vardy this season too. According to FFL, Vardy has 10 assists (four penalty wins I assume) - that's 3 more than any striker in the Premier League, a combined contribution to 14 of our 35 goals scored this season. That doesn't account for all the grafting Vardy's done without getting the assist when we've scored.
Manwell Pablo Posted 27 April 2015 Posted 27 April 2015 Was important signing Vardy up to a longer contract in the pre-season, and I think over the course of the season he's paid for it. And his goal scoring record isn't that bad for relegation fodder. When you take into account he's been utilised as a winger for much of the season, his goal scoring and assists really does look respectable for a striker of his mindset. And that's without even considering the hard work he puts in closing down defenders and goalkeepers, winning the ball and chasing it everywhere - Falcao and Welbeck both have 4 goals, and although haven't had as much playing time, they're played as out and out strikers in very attacking teams - Nugent has been used similarly to Vardy this season too. According to FFL, Vardy has 10 assists (four penalty wins I assume) - that's 3 more than any striker in the Premier League, a combined contribution to 14 of our 35 goals scored this season. That doesn't account for all the grafting Vardy's done without getting the assist when we've scored. Immediatley suspicious of any assists statistics having any of our players on over 10 as normally only a hand few of players get over 10.
Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot Posted 27 April 2015 Posted 27 April 2015 Given how much players cost these days Vardy is worth more than £5m imo.
RedSoxUK Posted 27 April 2015 Posted 27 April 2015 http://www.teamtalk.com/premier-league/top-assists 20th overall according to this, but he's the only ST on that list with Sanchez and Cazorla being attacking midfielders. http://gyazo.com/f61d8dcbc573fe7998e081cf772e783b Assists by strikers including penalties won/converted
Manwell Pablo Posted 27 April 2015 Posted 27 April 2015 http://www.teamtalk.com/premier-league/top-assists 20th overall according to this, but he's the only ST on that list with Sanchez and Cazorla being attacking midfielders. http://gyazo.com/f61d8dcbc573fe7998e081cf772e783b Assists by strikers including penalties won/converted You can't use the "he's been playing on the wing" excuse for him not scoring goals and then he all of a sudden becomes a striker again when you want to use assist stats . So six, he'd of got two against Man U and probably picked up one in his recent run of form. Which sort of does nothing but back up my statement that's he's not turned up for 2/3's of the season.
Leicesterpool Posted 27 April 2015 Posted 27 April 2015 Just read the beginning of this thread alot of the members were saying they'd snap there hand of for £5million, but now I do think even £5million would be enough for Vardy's right leg.
RedSoxUK Posted 27 April 2015 Posted 27 April 2015 You can't use the "he's been playing on the wing" excuse for him not scoring goals and then he all of a sudden becomes a striker again when you want to use assist stats . So six, he'd of got two against Man U and probably picked up one in his recent run of form. Which sort of does nothing but back up my statement that's he's not turned up for 2/3's of the season. He's statistically contributed to 40% of all our goals scored this season; LW / RW or ST, that's a very good percentage considering he's only turned up for 1/3 of the season isn't it.
Manwell Pablo Posted 27 April 2015 Posted 27 April 2015 He's statistically contributed to 40% of all our goals scored this season; LW / RW or ST, that's a very good percentage considering he's only turned up for 1/3 of the season isn't it.Six Six assists four goals how is that 14? I mean even if you count the penalties that's still only 12:-/ And he got a lot of said contributions in one soliatery game (which he was outstanding in granted)
Guest Posted 27 April 2015 Posted 27 April 2015 He's statistically contributed to 40% of all our goals scored this season; LW / RW or ST, that's a very good percentage considering he's only turned up for 1/3 of the season isn't it. Sounds very impressive to me. More than other players who are supposed to be settingup goals.
RedSoxUK Posted 27 April 2015 Posted 27 April 2015 Six assists four goals how is that 14? I mean even if you count the penalties that's still only 12:-/ And he got a lot of said contributions in one soliatery game (which he was outstanding in granted) Two penalties won vs United, pass to Cambiasso, cross for Ulloa's 1st = 4 assists vs United alone. That makes the 14.
Manwell Pablo Posted 27 April 2015 Posted 27 April 2015 Two penalties won vs United, pass to Cambiasso, cross for Ulloa's 1st = 4 assists vs United alone. That makes the 14. I'm struggling. here He's been credited six assists (not the crap definition of fantasy football assist, the actual offical ones) that will include Cambiasso and Ulloa assists, the pens wont count as offical assists but add them on that will be 2+6 = 8 (half of which as you have pointed out, were in one game. And again your not really dissproving anything I'm saying really in fact your inadverntly backing it up, he had a hand in 5 goals alone against Manchester United. and since the begining of his recent run of form has scored 3 and setup at least another 2. My problem is the 7 odd months inbetween in which he did nothing but foul defenders and not play very well. Nothing against the lad it's just all this gushing because of a few games is just a little sickening. I mean 5 games without a goal at the start of next season and no doubt the lets sell him for a packet of crisps and a donut arguements will be back I get fed up with extremes.
yorkie1999 Posted 27 April 2015 Posted 27 April 2015 Given how much players cost these days Vardy is worth more than £5m imo. Especially someone like Sterling. If he's worth 50 million, i'd eat my hat. 7 goals this season!
RedSoxUK Posted 27 April 2015 Posted 27 April 2015 10 assists, 8 from in play, 2 penalties. (Team Talk was wrong)United - 4 Two penalties won, pass to Cambi, cross to Ulloa. Burnley - 1 Cross to Mahrez. Liverpool - 1 Chest to Nugent. Everton - 2 Cross to Nugent, pass back to Cambi. Tottenham - 1 Header to Nugent. West Ham - 1 Vardy 'pass shot' to King.
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