ozleicester Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 Here's another interesting list... Milk Tea Choccy Hob Nobs A tin of tuna Pasta sauce 6 pack of Ready Salted (Walkers) Bananas, for the kids packed lunch. Lineker-ite
Captain... Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 Which manager off that list would you like to see replace Pearson?
Benjani Posted 10 February 2015 Author Posted 10 February 2015 Which manager off that list would you like to see replace Pearson? Any. All great managers because they won the championship like king nigel
Benjani Posted 10 February 2015 Author Posted 10 February 2015 Nigel fought wild dogs Nigel has 17 points after 24 games. You love him because?
Stadt Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 Nigel has 17 points after 24 games. You love him because?He's a hero
Oxfordfox83 Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 I love this list, but I'm open to the idea of even better lists who can build on the interest levels that this one achieved and make them sustainable. For instance, I'm currently working on a list of managers who took their clubs from League One to the Championship, had their team dismantled at great expense by eejits and then took them up to the PL. It's shaping up to be a belter.
Benjani Posted 10 February 2015 Author Posted 10 February 2015 I love this list, but I'm open to the idea of even better lists who can build on the interest levels that this one achieved and make them sustainable. For instance, I'm currently working on a list of managers who took their clubs from League One to the Championship, had their team dismantled at great expense by eejits and then took them up to the PL. It's shaping up to be a belter. League 1 to championship really. What a super achievement
Aus Fox Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 Of the list from memory only Mowbray with WBA has kept his job the whole following season and relegated his side, while there are countless teams, Cardiff, Sunderland, Reading who have changed their manager and still been relegated.
CosbyFox Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 The list proves nothing. Heres another "interesting" list: Brendan Rogers Roberto Martinez Sam Allardyce Tony Pulis Alan Pardew Paul Lambert Steve Bruce Gus Poyet Harry Redknapp Sean Dyche That's half the premier league managers (bar Harry but QPR have no manager) that have managed in the Championship and not one of those has won the league, never mind with 102 points. Not to mention the list of probably another 100 odd managers that have tried and failed to win the league. All of those above had needed time to learn and adjust to the Prem like the players. Not that it proves Pearson is God, nor am I trying to do so - but why is he so bad, when he's achieved more than all of those managers at this stage of experience he is at?
Aus Fox Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 The list proves nothing. Heres another "interesting" list: Brendan Rogers Roberto Martinez Sam Allardyce Tony Pulis Alan Pardew Paul Lambert Steve Bruce Gus Poyet Harry Redknapp Sean Dyche That's half the premier league managers (bar Harry but QPR have no manager) that have managed in the Championship and not one of those has won the league, never mind with 102 points. Not to mention the list of probably another 100 odd managers that have tried and failed to win the league. All of those above had needed time to learn and adjust to the Prem like the players. Not that it proves Pearson is God, nor am I trying to do so - but why is he so bad, when he's achieved more than all of those managers at this stage of experience he is at? Add Roberto Di Matteo to that list, champions league winner who could only manage 2nd in the championship
Stevosevic Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 I think this will be Pearson's last season as a premier league manager. It's pretty obvious he is done for here and he'll have to get his next job right - i think he'll go the same way as Adkins or McDermott.
CosbehFox Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 Since 2004/2005 the following managers have won the championship. Why is pearson considered such a god for doing the same? Are the other managers in the list great managers? Mick mccarthy. Steve coppell. Roy Keane. Tony Mowbray. Chris Hughton. Neil warnock. Brian mcdermott. Malky mackay. Nigel pearson. Right then let's have a look at how these managers actually did and whether they support an argument for keeping a manager or sacking a manager. McCarthy - relegated with Sunderland but returns to keep Wolves in the Premier League for three season. They get relegated after his sacking and Wolves drop down to the third tier as their club appears in turmoil. Coppell - Reading reach 8th on their debut season and they are cruelly relegated on goal difference on the final day the following season. Leaves a big enough legacy that Reading are later promoted in a few years time. Keane - reaches 15th in his debut PL season, sacked after a poor start following season. Mowbray - relegated by 3 points, returns with West Brom as Champions the following season. Hughton - Newcastle finish 12th upon their return, Hughton sacked when they were 11th in a roundly criticised sacking. Warnock - QPR are relegated, Warnock sacked when a point out of the relegation zone. Hughes signs various superstars which leads to a disruptive nature at the club and becomes a millstone around QPR's neck still now. McDermott - Relegated, Reading don't have a great season upon their return to the Championship. Mackay - Cardiff are relegated. Was sacked when one point out of the relegation zone and clearly in the midst of a power struggle with Vincent Tan. Since the appointment of Solksjaer, Cardiff are in free fall and now have a lower league manager in charge.
Guest MattP Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 Right then let's have a look at how these managers actually did and whether they support an argument for keeping a manager or sacking a manager. McCarthy - relegated with Sunderland but returns to keep Wolves in the Premier League for three season. They get relegated after his sacking and Wolves drop down to the third tier as their club appears in turmoil. Coppell - Reading reach 8th on their debut season and they are cruelly relegated on goal difference on the final day the following season. Leaves a big enough legacy that Reading are later promoted in a few years time. Keane - reaches 15th in his debut PL season, sacked after a poor start following season. Mowbray - relegated by 3 points, returns with West Brom as Champions the following season. Hughton - Newcastle finish 12th upon their return, Hughton sacked when they were 11th in a roundly criticised sacking. Warnock - QPR are relegated, Warnock sacked when a point out of the relegation zone. Hughes signs various superstars which leads to a disruptive nature at the club and becomes a millstone around QPR's neck still now. McDermott - Relegated, Reading don't have a great season upon their return to the Championship. Mackay - Cardiff are relegated. Was sacked when one point out of the relegation zone and clearly in the midst of a power struggle with Vincent Tan. Since the appointment of Solksjaer, Cardiff are in free fall and now have a lower league manager in charge. Reading that makes the argument for keeping Pearson even stronger.
George mcfly Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 Reading that makes the argument for keeping Pearson even stronger. How does it? How do we know how Pearson and the team will react to the drop? there are lots of good managers in the champ who can't hack it in the prem.pearson is one of them.for me these days you have to be ruthless,let a manager get you there,then if he's not up to par get a proven man in,who is.but don't leave it too late like we have.
Guest MattP Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 How does it? How do we know how Pearson and the team will react to the drop? there are lots of good managers in the champ who can't hack it in the prem.pearson is one of them.for me these days you have to be ruthless,let a manager get you there,then if he's not up to par get a proven man in,who is.but don't leave it too late like we have. Can you read? Because the one team that stuck with their manager came back up as champions.
CosbehFox Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 From all the managers who have been relegated and given the chance the next season since the start of the premier league? I don't know but if it was 5 or more in 22 years I'd be surprised. Steve Bruce at Birmingham and Alex McLeish at Birmingham both got promoted after being relegated in the PL and being kept on. Iain Dowie at Crystal Palace, Aidy Boothroyd at Watford, Steve Coppell at Reading, Iain Holloway at Blackpool got to the playoffs after being relegated in the PL and being kept on.
shailen Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 Whether there is a correlation between Championship winners and success in PL the following years, its irrelevant because there is no reason to back these statistics. You may find there is a strong correlation between ice cream sales and us losing this season, but you cannot back that selling more ice-creams has meant we lose more games. Anyway, every manager, every club is a different proposition. You cannot compare any of the clubs you mentioned, because they all had different circumstances. I saw a strange argument last season that finishing second would be better because the team that finished second had a better chance of staying up. WHY? It makes no sense. The reason we are where we are is because we haven't got the results we need simple as that. NOT because we won the Championship last season
Oxfordfox83 Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 How does it? How do we know how Pearson and the team will react to the drop? there are lots of good managers in the champ who can't hack it in the prem.pearson is one of them.for me these days you have to be ruthless,let a manager get you there,then if he's not up to par get a proven man in,who is.but don't leave it too late like we have. Name one. We played this game over the summer, and you lost (well, not you, but an identikit pseudofan...)
cc_star Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 I love this list, but I'm open to the idea of even better lists who can build on the interest levels that this one achieved and make them sustainable. For instance, I'm currently working on a list of managers who took their clubs from League One to the Championship, had their team dismantled at great expense by eejits and then took them up to the PL. It's shaping up to be a belter. I'm looking forward to that list, sounds very interesting
Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 The list proves nothing. Heres another "interesting" list: Brendan Rogers Roberto Martinez Sam Allardyce Tony Pulis Alan Pardew Paul Lambert Steve Bruce Gus Poyet Harry Redknapp Sean Dyche That's half the premier league managers (bar Harry but QPR have no manager) that have managed in the Championship and not one of those has won the league, never mind with 102 points. Not to mention the list of probably another 100 odd managers that have tried and failed to win the league. All of those above had needed time to learn and adjust to the Prem like the players. Not that it proves Pearson is God, nor am I trying to do so - but why is he so bad, when he's achieved more than all of those managers at this stage of experience he is at? ANSWER THE QUESTION.
Stadt Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 Nigel has 17 points after 24 games. You love him because? hes amazing
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