DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 11 February 2015 Posted 11 February 2015 We have yet to hear how we got on financially last season but I suspect we probably were there or thereabouts in regards to FFP. I understand that the details have to be sent to the Football League at the turn of the calendar year and usually things leak out if it is not good. It seems to me (without any particular research) that teams relegated from the PL don't do particularly well. There are the occasional successes such as West Ham and Newcastle in recent seasons, but most end up struggling. I think the reasons are; players not happy about being in the Championship, poor managerial changes, the physical nature of the Championship, and most importantly, the financial implications of relegation. We have spent some money this season and I would guess the wage bill is significantly higher. This is offset by TV money, increased attendances and merchandising, and we have the safety net of parachute payments. So my question is this: Will our season in the PL leave us in good financial shape for the future and able to keep at least some of our better players, or are we due a complete restructuring and all the upheaval that will necessarily cause? Good points. I have been wondering the same.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 11 February 2015 Posted 11 February 2015 Depends if we keep Pearson. If we do, we'll be fine. If we replace him then a new manager will overhaul the club to implement his identity and that will destroy LCFC Don't be so feking puerile. You know nothing. What a stupid final statement!
DB11 Posted 11 February 2015 Posted 11 February 2015 Don't be so feking puerile. You know nothing. What a stupid final statement!
Legend_in_blue Posted 11 February 2015 Posted 11 February 2015 We're market leaders. We've nothing to worry about.
HankMarvin Posted 11 February 2015 Posted 11 February 2015 We have yet to hear how we got on financially last season but I suspect we probably were there or thereabouts in regards to FFP. I understand that the details have to be sent to the Football League at the turn of the calendar year and usually things leak out if it is not good. It seems to me (without any particular research) that teams relegated from the PL don't do particularly well. There are the occasional successes such as West Ham and Newcastle in recent seasons, but most end up struggling. I think the reasons are; players not happy about being in the Championship, poor managerial changes, the physical nature of the Championship, and most importantly, the financial implications of relegation. We have spent some money this season and I would guess the wage bill is significantly higher. This is offset by TV money, increased attendances and merchandising, and we have the safety net of parachute payments. So my question is this: Will our season in the PL leave us in good financial shape for the future and able to keep at least some of our better players, or are we due a complete restructuring and all the upheaval that will necessarily cause? Well you can rule that one out for a start
sylofox Posted 11 February 2015 Posted 11 February 2015 So the consensus is we will be in a strong position financially should we be relegated. It seems that way to me too. The next question then, is what lessons should we learn from this season? What should be our recruitment policy in the Championship? If we are promoted again, What should our transfer policy be and what should we do differently? Do it in the summer and by first team players not squad players. Buying bench players does fvck all to the squad. If Nige did anything wrong he showed to much loyalty to the players we had. Trying to put it right in jan is never going to happen when you are bottom the business needs to be done in the summer. And don't employ a DOF that is tight as fvck and don't want to spend money.
gazfox9 Posted 11 February 2015 Posted 11 February 2015 To bypass a rule. He's essentially on loan to us. So you know all of this but didn't know what his weekly wage was?
Corky Posted 11 February 2015 Posted 11 February 2015 Well you can rule that one out for a start He means from this season. We should be ok, depends on the attitude of the players we keep though. Wigan's problem is they had a fair amount of players who were from the Premier League days and after one season of hope at getting back didn't give their all. We should, all things considered, be contenders next season if we go but after that I'm really not sure.
st albans fox Posted 11 February 2015 Posted 11 February 2015 It's going to be tough for the players adjusting back to playing at Rotherham and brentford rather than Man U and arsenal. (Not physically but mentally - they must have looked forward to the PL for ages and it's lasted a blink of an eye). Still, they will be the ones responsible for taking us down (along with the management) so they have no one else to blame but themselves.
HankMarvin Posted 11 February 2015 Posted 11 February 2015 He means from this season. We should be ok, depends on the attitude of the players we keep though. Wigan's problem is they had a fair amount of players who were from the Premier League days and after one season of hope at getting back didn't give their all. We should, all things considered, be contenders next season if we go but after that I'm really not sure. so do i
Dawko Posted 11 February 2015 Posted 11 February 2015 This FFP is just a con that allows the top Clubs to stay at the top and stops any lesser Clubs joining them.
Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot Posted 12 February 2015 Posted 12 February 2015 So the consensus is we will be in a strong position financially should we be relegated. It seems that way to me too. The next question then, is what lessons should we learn from this season? What should be our recruitment policy in the Championship? If we are promoted again, What should our transfer policy be and what should we do differently? It's really quite hard to pin point, the margins are so fine in this league, we really are only 1 or 2 players away from being in a much stronger position points wise than we are now. I think if anything should be done differently it's know your best team and your best system from the outset, don't be averse to dropping under performing players and play to your strengths as much as possible.
CosbehFox Posted 12 February 2015 Posted 12 February 2015 Right to add some stats. I just looked at the last ten sets of relegation teams and their subsequent performances a season later; this does not include Fulham, Cardiff and Norwich of last/this season. Out of the 30 Premier League relegated teams, their performance has been the following. 5 were automatically promoted with Sunderland (06/07) and Newcastle (09/10) winning the title. So that's 16.66 %. A further 9 teams made the play-offs which I'd consider a pretty successful season seeing as they are a lottery from then on in. West Ham (11/12) and QPR (13/14) won the play-offs. So that's 7 out of 30 were promoted upon their return to Championship (23.33%). Therefore 14 teams upon their return finished in the top six a season later. That's nearly half (46,66%); clearly not that much of a disaster (this stat would further improve should Norwich continue their form to 50%).
Deucalion Posted 12 February 2015 Author Posted 12 February 2015 Nice work Cardiff Fox, although not encouraging from an instant return perspective.
MooseBreath Posted 12 February 2015 Posted 12 February 2015 Finishing the in the play offs gives you a one in four shot at a successful return. Norwich currently outside the play offs, Cardiff and Fulham both in the bottom half and looking over their shoulders. It's very uncommon for a relegated side to come straight back up.
cc_star Posted 12 February 2015 Posted 12 February 2015 Finishing the in the play offs gives you a one in four shot at a successful return. Norwich currently outside the play offs, Cardiff and Fulham both in the bottom half and looking over their shoulders. It's very uncommon for a relegated side to come straight back up. One always seems to come straight back up, one falls short of playoffs and often one seems to be in danger of relegation and falling straight through I wonder where continuity Vs starting again ranks in relegation teams
Donut Posted 12 February 2015 Posted 12 February 2015 You have to get back straight away. That is the key for me. The longer youre down there, the further away promotion will become
CosbehFox Posted 12 February 2015 Posted 12 February 2015 I wonder where continuity Vs starting again ranks in relegation teams Due to constant changes of managers, it's a lot harder to chart. If you take for example managers which led their team up, then went down with them and stayed for the entire following season. You get: 6th, 9th, 2nd, 6th, 4th, 2nd, 5th, Sacking a manager when in the Premier and a new manager has part of the PL season/ entire following Champ you get: 1st, 9th, 18th, 1st, 8th, 11th, 7th, 23rd, 7th, 4th.
cc_star Posted 12 February 2015 Posted 12 February 2015 Due to constant changes of managers, it's a lot harder to chart. If you take for example managers which led their team up, then went down with them and stayed for the entire following season. You get: 6th, 9th, 2nd, 6th, 4th, 2nd, 5th, Sacking a manager when in the Premier and a new manager has part of the PL season/ entire following Champ you get: 1st, 9th, 18th, 1st, 8th, 11th, 7th, 23rd, 7th, 4th. Continuity = 5th on average Starting again = 9th on average... possibility of more expense too
AyewJoking Posted 12 February 2015 Posted 12 February 2015 I predict it will be "big spending Leicester" throwing the bank at an instant return to the Premiership. The mind boggles at all the unknown gems Nigel and his staff have lined up.
CosbehFox Posted 12 February 2015 Posted 12 February 2015 Sacking a manager at end of the season and allowing a new manager a pre-season for the following as these results: 2nd, 16th, 4th, 3rd, 5th. A manager leaving during the Champ season and was there when relegated: 12th, 4th, 11th, 7th, 17th.
Dan Posted 12 February 2015 Posted 12 February 2015 There are so many variables to these kind of things though. If we went down and kept most of this squad + manager I'd have us down as favourites for the title. Am I falling into a trap? Possibly, but I don't really think we'd struggle a great deal. We didn't scrape promotion like QPR/Palace, we walked the league and were comfortably the best side in it.
ADK Posted 12 February 2015 Posted 12 February 2015 Is there an easy way to see where you are getting these stats from?
CosbehFox Posted 12 February 2015 Posted 12 February 2015 When I get time, I'll do a relegated sides performance within the four years after. The four years being the parachute payment period currently* *Happy to be proven if it's different, just what I picked up. Is there an easy way to see where you are getting these stats from? I've just nabbed the info off wikipedia, can you upload spreadsheets?
Deucalion Posted 12 February 2015 Author Posted 12 February 2015 Sacking a manager at end of the season and allowing a new manager a pre-season for the following as these results: 2nd, 16th, 4th, 3rd, 5th. A manager leaving during the Champ season and was there when relegated: 12th, 4th, 11th, 7th, 17th. The averages there are 6th for the former and 10th for the latter. So it is best to keep your manager, or if you are going to sack him, do it in the summer?
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